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John Godson, born in Nigeria, might become Poland Sejm's first black deputy!


PennBoy 76 | 2,437
4 Dec 2010 #1
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Born in Nigeria, John Godson can enter the Sejm as a substitute for Zdanowski Hanna, deputy will become president of Lodz. And even if he does not, in a year Godson runs in the elections. And so he will be the first black deputy in Poland - informs "Poland The Times.

When John Abraham Godson was a small child, he was a heavy drinker and smoker. Then he was converted and came to Poland, as ... missionary. Godson 12 years ago was a pastor of the Polish Church of God in Christ. Came a long way not only from Africa to Europe, but also in a spiritual sense. He liked the snow and the boat. Will be here, but probably in a few years will work in Warsaw. If Hanna Zdanowska wins the presidential election in Lodz, says goodbye to the city council and takes his place in the Sejm.

Recently with the second result was taken for another term to the city council. The previous record was, he made 279 roster. He was also one of the top-rated council in Lodz.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,632
4 Dec 2010 #2
"Godson"!

Now that is an interesting name...I wonder who gave his ancestor THAT name and why???
convex 20 | 3,978
4 Dec 2010 #3
Raise your hand if you're a foreigner and speak Polish as well as he does. Ok, now raise your hand if you have a chance in representing your district in the Sejm!

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OP PennBoy 76 | 2,437
4 Dec 2010 #4
His Polish is good


jarnowa 4 | 499
4 Dec 2010 #5
This is sad.
The guy may be ok, but as a non-European he just doesn't belong in Europe.

And how the heck can he represent Polish people?
If i were a Pole i wouldn't allow non-Poles to enter the Sejm.

Sadly Poland doesn't learn its lessons from Western Europe.
In Belgium, Holland, Germany, UK, France, Sweden it's easy to see the devastating impact of allowing thousands of non-Europeans. In these countries it also started with a few.

So that's definitely not the way to go. By allowing a black to "represent" Poles, Poland starts to follow Western Europe.

Many africans will be excited that one of the last remaining white territories is losing its defenses against 3rld world neocolonialism. They'll now start thinking that maybe Poland is an interesting option for them.

Soon they will be coming. They feel powerful now as even a proud slavic country like Poland seems to give way to african neocolonialism.
jonni 16 | 2,485
4 Dec 2010 #6
The guy may be ok, but as a non-European he just doesn't belong in Europe.

As a Belgian, do you belong in Wroclaw?

He's done far more for the community in Poland than you, just sipping Belgian chocolate and moaning on internet fora that men from other countries are stealing your potential dates.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
4 Dec 2010 #7
More twisted views from our resident racist ;)
convex 20 | 3,978
4 Dec 2010 #8
So that's definitely not the way to go. By allowing a black to "represent" Poles, Poland starts to follow Western Europe.

How is he not a Pole? Apparently he's Catholic, knows his Slavic history, and speaks Polish. What's the problem? The man can represent his constituents in the Sejm.
jarnowa 4 | 499
4 Dec 2010 #9
As a Belgian, do you belong in Wroclaw?

Didn't we discuss earlier the right of Polish, Belgian, English and all other EU people to live in eachother's countries without need to justify their choice of location within the EU?

It's the people from outside the EU and especially those without European roots who need to have a very good excuse to live in Europe. I wonder what this guy's excuse is.

How is he not a Pole? Apparently he's Catholic, knows his Slavic history, and speaks Polish. What's the problem? The man can represent his constituents in the Sejm.

He will never be a native Pole, just like any non-Polish person (including myself).
I have peace in accepting this fact of life.

I don't understand why the leftwing part of Polish people want to make an exception for a black immigrant. Just to show Polish people are hospitable? We already know, Poles don't have to give up their identity. In Western Europe we've been there, done that and completely sold out. Poland will be next?
zetigrek
4 Dec 2010 #10
He will never be a native Pole, just like any non-Polish person (including myself).
I have peace in accepting this fact of life.

I don't understand why the leftwing part of Polish people want to make an exception for a black immigrant.

because he want to do something positive? If he has some good ideas (maybe) then why not?
convex 20 | 3,978
4 Dec 2010 #11
Exactly, he has the best interest of his constituents at hand... Where is the problem?
jarnowa 4 | 499
4 Dec 2010 #12
because he want to do something positive? If he has some good ideas (maybe) then why not?

Yes, maybe he's a good fellow who wants to do something back for the country that hosted him for a long time. But i don't think there's a lack of Polish individuals with the same ambitions of making Poland a better country.

So should he be given a seat instead of a white person just because there's no black deputy yet?

That would be, errr....there's some word for it, i forgot. Dtaylor probably knows what i mean, as i remember it's his favourite word. ;)

So let's go from the individual level to the effects for Poland as a country.

Would it benefit Poland to have an African in the parliament? Yes, in the PC western countries, Poland would get a lot of praise from the leftist media. For 1 day Poland will be a good EU member country. Only to be followed a week later by comments of Polish "racism" because of not accepting enough asylum seekers, etc.

So the shortterm positive effects (if any) diminish quickly.

So the main effect will be the strong signal that was sent out to Africa that Poland has embraced multiculturalism and is now waiting for them to come over. Yuk.
jonni 16 | 2,485
4 Dec 2010 #13
Didn't we discuss earlier the right of Polish, Belgian, English and all other EU people to live in eachother's countries without need to justify their choice of location within the EU?

No. We just heard another of your racist rants about "white man's hunting ground".

I don't understand why the leftwing part of Polish people want to make an exception for a black immigrant. Just to show Polish people are hospitable?

Perhaps he's just a good, competent and effective choice for poseł. After all - he's got that far despite a vocal minority with opinions such as yours, who would gladly hold him back because of a detail about his skin.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Dec 2010 #14
Anyone know if there is some Internet source showing the ethnic compositon of the Polish Sejm? Presumably not every MP or senator is an ethnic Pole.
zetigrek
4 Dec 2010 #15
So should he be given a seat instead of a white person just because there's no black deputy yet?

I think it's not the case.

Would it benefit Poland to have an African in the parliament?

It's no difference if he is from Africa or native Pole. As a Polish citizen he have equal right to be in the parliment as other polish citizens.

Does America is lacking of American individuals who wanrs make USA better place? No. So why the hell they chose an Austrian actor for California governator?! He is not of American background in any slightest way (and American culture differs from European).

Would it benefit Poland to have an African in the parliament? Yes, in the PC western countries, Poland would get a lot of praise from the leftist media.

There is another black guy (and additionaly gay) who might go far in politics. Krystian Legierski. Do you know that guy? Poland doesn't need any African to fulfill PC obligations, it's just this guy John Godson is politically active and he has full right to gain position because of his engagement into community work. If it was of PC we have better candidates (Krystian).

Anyone know if there is some Internet source showing the ethnic compositon of the Polish Sejm? Presumably not every MP or senator is an ethnic Pole.

of course not. We have German miniority representants which have always 2 sits in Polish Parliment reserved for them.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,437
4 Dec 2010 #16
Anyone know if there is some Internet source showing the ethnic compositon of the Polish Sejm? Presumably not every MP or senator is an ethnic Pole.

I know there are officially two ethnic Germans in Sejm, and i'm sure some of the deputies have a Lithuanian, Jewish or some kind of other than Polish background. German is official since Poland's western lands used to be once Germany.
jonni 16 | 2,485
4 Dec 2010 #17
There is another black guy (and additionaly gay) who might go far in politics. Krystian Legierski

He's a great bloke - he'll probably win a seat at the next election. A very principled man.

BTW, at the last election, at least one of the candidates was a naturalised Pole from another country, and one very well known PiS politician is a German from Russia.
zetigrek
4 Dec 2010 #18
He's a great bloke - he'll probably win a seat at the next election. A very principled man.

Another of your influencial friends? Man, I need to get your phone number ;D
jonni 16 | 2,485
4 Dec 2010 #19
Another of your influencial friends?

Just a slight acquaintance from Le M days ;-)
I don't do discotheques, and he runs them, so we rarely meet even though we have a lot of friends in common. He'll make a wonderful politician though. Very able, as honest as they come, highly intelligent, a trained lawyer and a skilled networker.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,437
5 Dec 2010 #20
He said that Nelson Mandela is he who he looks up to, not because he was jailed for 30 years but because he came out of jail after 30 years and forgave and seeked equality.
trener zolwia 1 | 940
5 Dec 2010 #21
So should he be given a seat instead of a white person just because there's no black deputy yet?

Never. Don't fall into this trap. That's a deep hole there's no climbing out of. Trust me, we deal with this crap over here all the time.

Would it benefit Poland to have an African in the parliament? Yes, in the PC western countries, Poland would get a lot of praise from the leftist media. For 1 day Poland will be a good EU member country. Only to be followed a week later by comments of Polish "racism"

Expect it. His supporters will likely fling the hollow "racist" label at his opponents just as Obama's supporters do all who oppose his policies.

So the main effect will be the strong signal that was sent out to Africa that Poland has embraced multiculturalism and is now waiting for them to come over. Yuk.

Right.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
5 Dec 2010 #22
of course not. We have German miniority representants which have always 2 sits in Polish Parliment reserved for them.

Tusk is ethnically Kashubian, isn't he?
zetigrek
5 Dec 2010 #23
yes, he is.
POLENGGGs 2 | 150
5 Dec 2010 #24
..... hmmmm.... and nationalist Poles try and say they not racist - that their nationalism is all better and Holy, unlike Nazism..
Yet they do not like blackey ?

Poles is copy-cats; copy western left wing rioters, copy Nazis and preted it Patriotism. Copy copy copy. PS: I hope all the photo-copy places get sued by Xerox for using name 'Ksero'
MrBubbles 10 | 614
5 Dec 2010 #25
And how the heck can he represent Polish people?

Don't the people vote for him?
jonni 16 | 2,485
5 Dec 2010 #26
Exactly. There are political parties in Poland (and most other places) who believe, as Jarnowa does, that black people have no place in Europe - but they never get many votes.
1jola 14 | 1,879
5 Dec 2010 #27
..... hmmmm.... and nationalist Poles try and say they not racist - that their nationalism is all better and Holy, unlike Nazism..
Yet they do not like blackey ?

Jarnowa is Belgian, you nitwit. I'm a Nationalist and I don't see any issue here. If the people want to elect him, he is in. Simple as that.

It seems you do not understand nationalism, any of it.
zetigrek
5 Dec 2010 #28
..... hmmmm.... and nationalist Poles try and say they not racist - that their nationalism is all better and Holy, unlike Nazism..
Yet they do not like blackey ?

Poles is copy-cats; copy western left wing rioters, copy Nazis and preted it Patriotism. Copy copy copy. PS: I hope all the photo-copy places get sued by Xerox for using name 'Ksero'

Have you forgot to take your pills today?
POLENGGGs 2 | 150
5 Dec 2010 #29
I'm a Nationalist and I don't see any issue here. If the people want to elect him, he is in. Simple as that.

nigdywiecej.org
jarnowa 4 | 499
5 Dec 2010 #30
Perhaps he's just a good, competent and effective choice for poseł. After all - he's got that far despite a vocal minority with opinions such as yours, who would gladly hold him back because of a detail about his skin.

No, because he is and always will be an African. And because this will encourage more Africans to migrate to Central/Eastern Europe.

It's no difference if he is from Africa or native Pole. As a Polish citizen he have equal right to be in the parliment as other polish citizens.

Well, probably you are right from the point of view of Polish law. But it really don't make sense to have a Nigerian in Polish parliament just because he was given Polish citizenship.

trener zolwia, i'm happy to see a proud Pole (i assume you are Polish) after all the Polish people here on this forum who don't care if their country would be invaded with people from 3rd world.

Does America is lacking of American individuals who wanrs make USA better place? No. So why the hell they chose an Austrian actor for California governator?! He is not of American background in any slightest way (and American culture differs from European).

Just because America is a multicultural society based on immigrants doesn't mean Poland should follow the same path. You really can't compare Poland to US.

I'm a Nationalist and I don't see any issue here. If the people want to elect him, he is in. Simple as that.

How can you be a nationalist and at the same time not worrying if a strong signal like this will be sent to 3rd world?

Poland now has a bit of a racist image. This makes many 3rd world people stay away from Poland and choose for the traditional 3rd world dump places in western Europe. Which is good because many of them increase problems like crime and religious tensions. So why change Poland's image by allowing a Nigerian in parliament?


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