I couldnt help but say something.. this is not first time I see that the "average man on the street ..most often the phrase Average Joe and referring to US resident supposedly knows better than to not question the media or sources of a public figure.
Again, your average Joe does not think that Poles were exterminating Jews
"Survey says?"** BZZZzzzzrt!**
um Yes..the AVERAGE American would so think the worst! the structure of the grammar would make Polish a possessive noun and therefore implicate that the Polish/or Poland were running the mentioned death camps
but if he really starts doing some research
American would research...would question what a news source quoted?
I must live in an alternate dimension U.S. last 40 years then. I have lived East -West -North- and South when in country. I am mostly of Bohemian(now Czech) ancestry born in Texas btw.
In Dallas? maybe a look at internet...because it has high Jewish population and the curiosity combined with better education. However, average American doesn't give Poland a first though.. bad or good. Most Americans barely know where Poland even is... "Thats Eastern Block like Russia right?" In El Paso... "those dirty pollacks were killing those poor kikes in the war...who knew?"
Or in the South? "It is near France where Pollaks and Sausage comes from, right?"
Despite my private education mostly at perrochial school, I would have known even less than my little, but I liked teutonic history and fell in love with the winged hussars, plus my father was very positive in his admiration for his fellow pilots from Poland during the war.
Maybe in Your America the average Joe is a scion of informed worldliness and even knows in advance who they are voting into their local municipalities and circuit courts. Heh!
My America as far as Cali in Orange, LA, SanBernadino and Sonoma, WA, TX, AZ, OK, VA, KY, TN, NC, SC, FL, IL and AL?
LOLOLOL in MY America? the editor of a SC paper in a college town asked me what I "wonted" and said they want do it...
and repeated these and other phonetic spelling all through the official communication.
In my America..my normally democratic grandma voted Ronald Reagan because he was such a handsome actor. Most my friends voted for Clinton because he promised no taxes. Not one even knew he was ever a governor! Including alumni from Judson School!
LOL... the AVERAGE american knows better... the average american in the 40s supported NOT getting involved in WW2. AT ALL. Yet never questioned the sudden involvement in the war being so well timed. Our Seated President at the time, trolled the public and used a controversial grey areas to present a "sneak attack with no
warning to stir up the populace up. that is all researchable history as well..and you still hear of the sneaky Japs. LOL. Because it was entrenched incorrect by the media for years.
True the Japanese tried to use a grey area by late declaration, that got later because of translation. The Japanese ambassador was instructed to deliver his message just before the planned attack,
BUT our US cryptographers had the message copied and decoded even before the embassy could do so. DOH! The President took a CALCULATED risk expecting collateral damage to garner the support he wanted.
Ambasador of Japan indeed was a few hours late in delivering the proper message.
The only real difference was the spin. The leaders of both countries knew full well they planned war that winter, and the specifics were all that was lacking.
As an example, a couple of weeks before that
, General Marshall had given a secret briefing (Of course record releases later gave the full story) to select members of the Washington press corps in which he told them that the US strategy in the upcoming war
would be to bomb/burn the major Japanese cities to the ground
POINT? LAWLZ at "Average American KNOWS better" I served my country with pride most of my years in service..but I am not gonna say we are something we are not. The average Joe of any country only cares about employment, price of food and retirement..all other concerns are nominal unless interfereing with said pursuits.
Are you like anti polish or something?
he might find something about antisemitizm in Poland before the war, maybe run into something about Jedwabne, or how about many pious, church going Poles that think Jews killed their Jesus.. be careful what you wish for.
This has WHAT to do with the high percentage of average people who would belive media spin? Are you saying its okay to let an incorrect fact stand publically because a few average Joes in Poland had opinions that were bigoted?
Antisemitizm was common in MANY places before the War. INCLUDING the US. ESPECIALLLY the SOUTH (and lts say that ALL Southerners not only hated Jews but are secret KKK members.And profited by slavery. That was once widely believed and even stated in media).
Disgruntled citizenry is not the same as government actions or policies, How many countries turned Jews away from their Borders..sometimes aggressively back to Germany before the brith of the final solution? And even after the rumors.
And our population AND our government's treatment of AMERICANS of Japanese descent certainly doesnt give us the right to call a kettle black! And it is not the only time we were guilty as a nation of such a terrible thing. We try to be the good guys but we can't wipe the few black marks off by sinply saying the other guy was worse.
and all traditional Christians and also Muslims acknowledge that the Jews of the time were directly instrumental in the death of Christ... not just Poles or Catholics.. so not sure where that is going?
maybe run into something about Jedwabne
MAYBE YOU should have researched it before throwing it out there...the horrible masacre of half the 700+ population of Jews in that town that no longer exits...followed some real feeling of hostility towards Jews. There is never any excuse for savagery, but the catalyst was there.
Trying to say its okay to say that Poles ran death camps by using a small town's shame as example? is misleading and cheap shot.
Like the part where the town primarily was ETHNICALLY Polish Germans with a few Germans left over form first occupation and with Soviet occupying for nearly 3 years after Germans totally crushed the local resistance and tehn handed the reins to Stalin. As well as Polish peasants and Polish Jews.
Jews WELCOMED and assisted the Russians rather than have Nazis. They openly helped rounding up and dismantling the local government. 20k+ ethnically Polish families..men women and children were deported from the region.. . many of the openly jewish Polish defectors were in admisitrative positions overseeing these times.Many of the militiamen in the roundups were openly former jewish citizens. That story has NO clean hands so should not be held up as anything but tragic.