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WHY IS POLAND STILL GIVEN THE COLD SHOULDER?


convex 20 | 3,928
27 Oct 2010 #151
I am not suggesting that every Pole was a communist. What the historical record is saying is that there was enough support in Poland for a communist government that the republicans could not sustain a defense of Poland. Poland was a divided nation after the war part republican part communist.

That would be my great unified Polish field theory of 1946. It doesn't take much to tip over the boat of democracy in rough waters (or something to that effect...).

Anyway, still wondering what is meant by cold shoulder.
delphiandomine 87 | 18,086
27 Oct 2010 #152
Anyway, still wondering what is meant by cold shoulder.

You don't have that expression? :s
convex 20 | 3,928
27 Oct 2010 #153
Sure, but how is Poland getting it?
delphiandomine 87 | 18,086
27 Oct 2010 #154
Beats me, last time I checked, Poland was getting a lot of cash from the EU and was seen as an important regional player in Europe. She's also using her power to bully Lithuania a bit, so it doesn't sound like she's being cold shouldered at all.

More Polonia Paranoia?
Torq
27 Oct 2010 #155
More Polonia Paranoia?

More like common sense.

Read about recent history of Polish ship-building industry, for example (in the past, one of the
largest in the world), and how our shipyards were treated by the EU (as compared to German
and French shipyards.)
Wroclaw 44 | 5,367
27 Oct 2010 #156
Read about recent history of Polish ship-building industry, for example (in the past, one of the largest in the world),

at one time the largest in the world was on the tyne (UK). now no more. shit happens.

Poland still has some small yards, which produce a quality product. It is still possible to diversify.
Teffle 22 | 1,319
27 Oct 2010 #157
at one time the largest in the world was on the tyne (UK). now no more. **** happens.

True.

...and at one time Belfast I could add.
Ironside 50 | 12,470
27 Oct 2010 #158
I don't know about those "space proms" that you mentioned. I am not sure if organizing
student dances in space is such a good idea (not with the current technologu anyway.)

exactly, the key word is technology, if you have a capacity to organize proms in space, it means that you have, must have intellectual and infrastructural capacity and industry to make it happen, as a engineer you should know!

The walking sticks can be produced by anyone with aces to a knife and sticks, competition and all.. \
one spaceship produced in Poland is worth billiard walking sticks!
Ironside 50 | 12,470
27 Oct 2010 #160
Well, we are slowly getting there...

one step forward and five backwoods ?or as old polish proverb says - a rare bird wont make a nest :)
Where is fuking system, where is plan, the plan ? All you pointing at is only prove of wasted potentials still in Poland, for how much longer ?eh?
Torq
28 Oct 2010 #161
for how much longer ?eh?

For as long as Poles keep voting socialists (PiS, PO, SLD) into power.

Give the power to a truly capitalist-minded, liberal government, that would free
Poland from the burden of bureaucracy, outrageously high taxes, thousands
of unnecessary regulations and allow Poles to show their natural resourcefulness
and we will catch up with Western Europe in no time (something like 10-15 years.)
Ironside 50 | 12,470
28 Oct 2010 #162
For as long as Poles keep voting socialists (PiS, PO, SLD) into power.

Brussels - rings any bells ?
delphiandomine 87 | 18,086
28 Oct 2010 #163
Read about recent history of Polish ship-building industry, for example (in the past, one of the largest in the world), and how our shipyards were treated by the EU (as compared to German and French shipyards.)

But this industry was artificial as hell - while there's demand for small shipbuilding (can't recall the name of the yard, but it's the one that's been getting all the CalMac orders - Rementowa or something?) - there's no demand for the kind of thing that was being produced before.

Anyway, the shipyards had their chance under Solidarity management - but - as you keep pointing out, socialists made a mess of that.

Would this government strip all the subsidies from the mines, the factories and the farmers and slash all the Communist-era pensions?
Sandman 2 | 25
28 Oct 2010 #164
Is G-20 membership based on GDP only? If it is, I don't quite see why Saudi Arabia and Argentina are in, but Poland's not. Whether you take GDP nominally or PPP:

GDP (nominal), 2009, IMF:
Poland $430,736
Saudi Arabia $376,268
Argentina $310,057

GDP (PPP), 2009, IMF:
Poland $688,761
Saudi Arabia $593,385
Argentina: $572,860

Why would Argentina be seen as a regional power after the 1999-2002 near-total economic collapse and the humiliation in the Falklands?
Marek11111 9 | 808
28 Oct 2010 #165
Is G-20 membership based on GDP only? If it is, I don't quite see why Saudi Arabia and Argentina are in, but Poland's not

because Poland does not have natural recourses or the same ones of Saudi Arabia and Argentina
and they need the two countries to cooperate and Poland has a Stockholm syndrome always ready for more abuse
grubas 12 | 1,382
29 Oct 2010 #166
because Poland does not have natural recourses or the same ones of Saudi Arabia and Argentina

Ridiculous statement.What's Argentina's natural resources?Cattle?Poland has the BIGGEST known reserves of silver in the whole world and plenty of copper and coal.
convex 20 | 3,928
29 Oct 2010 #167
Argentina is the second largest economy on the South American continent. They are a counterforce to Brazil.
Crow 160 | 9,195
29 Oct 2010 #168
WHY IS POLAND STILL GIVEN THE COLD SHOULDER?

Poles are still Poles, wants to live as Polish people according to Polish heritage. That`s why
delphiandomine 87 | 18,086
29 Oct 2010 #169
plenty of copper and coal.

But who wants to mine such dirty things?
grubas 12 | 1,382
29 Oct 2010 #171
Argentina is the second largest economy on the South American continent.

Fine with me,but the question was about natural resources.

They are a counterforce to Brazil.

How it can be a counterforce being roughly 4 times smaller in pretty much every aspect.It is like saying Poland is a counterforce to Russia.

But who wants to mine such dirty things?

Average salary in KGHM is PLN 8700/month.
convex 20 | 3,928
29 Oct 2010 #172
How it can be a counterforce being roughly 4 times smaller in pretty much every aspect.It is like saying Poland is a counterforce to Russia.

Military + Economy + Regional Organizations = power. Argentina is a South American power, Poland, unfortunately, isn't a European Power.
grubas 12 | 1,382
29 Oct 2010 #173
Military + Economy + Regional Organizations = power. Argentina is a South American power,

I see you are a big fan of Argentina.Nothing wrong with that.
convex 20 | 3,928
29 Oct 2010 #174
When you look at that global organization as a way to solve problems, it makes sense to include them.
grubas 12 | 1,382
29 Oct 2010 #175
Not the Chileans anyway :/

I bet they would love to making what Polish miners do.
It would be great to create OPEC of copper producers.
Sandman 2 | 25
8 Nov 2010 #176
[Argentina] Military + Economy + Regional Organizations = power

The British task force (40 Harrier jets vs. Argentina's 200 jets) wiped Argentina clean out of Falklands in about 2 months, with a 1:3 casualty rate in British favor. Is this what makes a country a "military power"? By this measure, Poland should be in the same category, based on its performance in 1939 against Germany.

Argentina, with no communist past, had an inflation of 200% in the 80's, managed to default on its debts in 2003, its economy collapsed, the president had to flee his palace in a helicopter from rioting public (not unlike Ceausescu in Romania). Historically, its main product is beef from the pampas, with few industrial exports, its natural resources are negligible. This is your definition of an "economic power"?
joepilsudski 26 | 1,388
13 Nov 2010 #177
Simple answer is that Slavs are still considered barbarians by many in the West, and in USA...Slavs in general need more self-promotion in terms of positive media images...NWO, this being Anglo/US/Zionist axis, is not pro-Slav...Take it from there in terms of what the reality is, and what must be done to rectify situation, if you feel situation needs adjustment.
convex 20 | 3,928
16 Nov 2010 #179
Simple answer is that Slavs are still considered barbarians by many in the West, and in USA...Slavs in general need more self-promotion in terms of positive media images...NWO, this being Anglo/US/Zionist axis, is not pro-Slav...Take it from there in terms of what the reality is, and what must be done to rectify situation, if you feel situation needs adjustment.

Which explains Russia not being "given the cold shoulder".

Argentina, with no communist past, had an inflation of 200% in the 80's, managed to default on its debts in 2003, its economy collapsed

You forgot to mention that it was under military dictatorship for quite a few of those years...Economically, not unlike Communism...

The British task force (40 Harrier jets vs. Argentina's 200 jets) wiped Argentina clean out of Falklands in about 2 months, with a 1:3 casualty rate in British favor. Is this what makes a country a "military power"?

A little bit of US and French help goes a long way, wouldn't you say?

This is your definition of an "economic power"?

On the continent, yes.
Havok 10 | 903
16 Nov 2010 #180
Poland needs to take some lessons form Japan and China.

Mottos:
Japan= become #1 wealthiest and powerful industrialist country in the world via hard work.
China= just Effing do it.


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