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Germans: Geh raus of Poland's business!


Ktos 17 | 456
20 Dec 2015 #1
Germans have created nice social and political sphere in Poland to conduct their own business their way and now this is all falling apart witht he new government introducing restrictions to German encroachment. Germans have to take step back... alllllll the way back to Germany.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
20 Dec 2015 #2
new government introducing restrictions to German encroachment.

What restrictions are those?
OP Ktos 17 | 456
20 Dec 2015 #3
This information is not for you but for Polish people.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
20 Dec 2015 #4
In other words, this thread can be binned as it contains no useful information whatsoever.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
20 Dec 2015 #5
You can post here but you are not welcome.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
20 Dec 2015 #7
Plans to cancel decree 1066 is one example, I hope it goes through, it must be erased, no German should be allowed to enter Poland in order to meddle in Polish affairs.
johnny reb 20 | 4,588
20 Dec 2015 #8
now this is all falling apart witht he new government introducing restrictions to German encroachment.

Long long over due.
Hats off to the PiS to try and keep Poland Polish.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
20 Dec 2015 #9
Plans to cancel decree 1066 is one example, I hope it goes through, it must be erased, no German should be allowed to enter Poland in order to meddle in Polish affairs.

What is decree 1066, and who exactly is proposing to cancel it?

Long long over due.

Johnny, what knowledge do you have of how the European Union works?

Hats off to the PiS to try and keep Poland Polish.

Remember, PiS appointed endless ex-PZPR party members to positions of power while souring relations with NATO. Their motto is rather "Give Poland to Russia!".
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
20 Dec 2015 #10
Law passed 2 years ago that allow police/army from other EU countries to operate in Poland. Perhaps during some "restoring democracy" operation...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
20 Dec 2015 #11
Ah, that.

No big deal. If democracy was seriously threatened in Poland, NATO as a bloc would be heading in, not an individual EU member state.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
20 Dec 2015 #12
If democracy was seriously threatened in Poland

ISN'T IT :)))))))))) ?
Ironside 49 | 10,205
20 Dec 2015 #13
No big deal.

Maybe for you a homeless wonderer.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
20 Dec 2015 #14
Remind us how much tax you intend to pay to the Polish government next year.
johnny reb 20 | 4,588
20 Dec 2015 #15
Remind us how much tax you intend to pay to the Polish government next year.
You mean like people with a flat in Poznan mortgaged with foreign currency that the new government will crack down on.
That could mean immediate and permanent expulsion from Poland for these fraudulent foreigners avoiding Polish taxes.
Just saying.........
TheOther 6 | 4,086
20 Dec 2015 #16
Long long over due. Hats off to the PiS to try and keep Poland Polish.

You have no idea what you're talking about, JR. Germany is Poland's biggest trading partner by far, and German companies are major employers in Poland. Chase them away and many, many others - not only German corporations - will leave as well. And then say bye-bye to Poland's economy. Don't fall for numb nuts like the OP that believe that Poland is competitive on the international market. They are not - not even remotely - and the few fields where they are do not employ enough people. In the end, even more Poles will emigrate and then you can kiss goodbye your educated workforce and your young mothers, too. Want that to happen?

paiz.gov.pl/poland_in_figures/economy
paiz.gov.pl/publications/foreign_investors_in_poland
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
20 Dec 2015 #17
Remind us how much tax you intend to pay to the Polish government next year.

More than Ironside will, that's for sure.

You mean like people with a flat in Poznan mortgaged with foreign currency that the new government will crack down on.

Sorry, I have a killer deal in PLN on my place ;) My margin is very very low, unlike most of the poor Poles that will have a terrible time trying to get a mortgage because of the new PiS-tax on banks.

That could mean immediate and permanent expulsion from Poland for these fraudulent foreigners avoiding Polish taxes.

What on earth are you babbling about now?

TheOther is bang on the money. Chase away German companies, and Poland is finished.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
20 Dec 2015 #18
In the end, even more Poles will emigrate and then you can kiss goodbye your educated workforce and your young mothers, too.

New beginnings are always hard, Poland is better off without Germany, Doicland should disappear from the map and German "people" should be relocated somewhere far away. Same goes for Jews, so both groups of "superior, God's chosen master races" can rule far away from everyone else and can spread their narcism only among themselves. It would be interesting to see how long they both last.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
20 Dec 2015 #19
When you actually live in Europe, child, you might learn why this idea is incredibly silly.

Anyway, nice of you to put forward Nazi theories of "population relocation".
Ironside 49 | 10,205
20 Dec 2015 #20
More than Ironside will, that's for sure.

Phew a dick measuring contest with you?Yuck I pass, you are giant on the internet anyway. lol!

You have no idea what you're talking about

You makes a hell of sense than you!

Chase away German companies, and Poland is finished.

Boo ho!

Nazi theories of "population relocation

How they are Nazi theories delph? Educate me.
Lyzko 25 | 7,512
20 Dec 2015 #21
Germany has been investing in Polish markets for years now! What's all the hullaballoo about? Did you only just discover that Germany has had a stake in Poland's ecomomy, ktoś?

If you're hinting at some type of "takeover", I've never read anything in my local papers to suggest anything of the kind:-)
OP Ktos 17 | 456
23 Dec 2015 #22
Polish sovereignty is threatened whenever a German person buys a chunk of Polish land, for by this he becomes a legal owner of Polish land and can make decisions what to do on this piece of land. The current government has to, at least, limit the sale of Polish land to Germans.
kpc21 1 | 763
23 Dec 2015 #23
Remember, PiS appointed endless ex-PZPR party members to positions of power while souring relations with NATO.

Not a long time ago some people were talking the same about PO and about Tusk :-)

Polish sovereignty is threatened whenever a German person buys a chunk of Polish land

And when any foreigner does it. Let's introduce a law forbidding selling land plots in Poland to foreigners.

That's true that there is too much foreign capital in Poland. Can anyone mention a big country-wide company that would be fully Polish and, at the same time, not owned by the state (like Orlen or KGHM)? It would be difficult to find one. If someone manages to find more, the fingers of a single hand will be enough to count them.

In Germany or France there is many such companies.

But is this the fault of Germany, France or Potugal (owning the biggest supermarket chain in Poland)? No, it's the fault of Poles, that they are not enterprising enough.

Look at supermarkets. In Germany - only German ones. In Poland - there are German ones, there are British ones, there are French ones, there are Spanish ones. Polish ones also exist, but they are in minority.

But on the other hand, it's almost impossible to find in Germany a grocery shop that wouldn't belong to a country-wide chain. In Poland there is many small private stores, sometimes it's also possible to meet a private, fully independent supermarket.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
23 Dec 2015 #24
Polish sovereignty is threatened whenever a German person buys a chunk of Polish land, for by this he becomes a legal owner of Polish land and can make decisions what to do on this piece of land.

Hardly. You're obviously not very familiar with Polish law, because there exists a very effective mechanism for compulsory purchasing land from owners at the current market rate should it be needed for whatever reason. It's why Poland was able to build a large amount of roads easily, as the actual ownership wasn't a barrier when it came to building.

Let's introduce a law forbidding selling land plots in Poland to foreigners.

Let's restrict purchases by non-EU citizens, yes. But to EU citizens? Rather not - as it just means that EU countries will apply the same restrictions to Poles. More to the point, foreigners are often able to apply their know-how and do more with the land that they have.

That's true that there is too much foreign capital in Poland.

Alas, you can look at WW2 and the PRL for that one. Less foreign capital means less money in Poland.

If someone manages to find more, the fingers of a single hand will be enough to count them.

Solaris, PESA, Tymbark, Black Red White, Empik, Mlekovita - off the top of my head. However, it's worth pointing out that the same situation exists in many EU countries - the UK for instance doesn't have many entirely British-owned companies.

The partially state-owned model isn't entirely a bad one, though.

In Germany or France there is many such companies.

Many of them are actually controlled by foreign capital. For instance, Metro AG (Makro, etc) has around 50% of their shares traded freely in and outside of Germany. It might seem like it's a German company, but in reality, very large institutional investors tend to own large amounts of such companies.

No, it's the fault of Poles, that they are not enterprising enough.

Very much so. Solaris is a fantastic example - they started by producing licenced copies of Neoplan buses, earnt cash, then used it to produce their own buses (and now, trams) which have been a success story. The problem is that there's such a deep distrust of private entrepreneurship in Poland (PiS, we're looking at you) that many people are discouraged before they start. Yet there's such a huge demand for Polish products domestically - but consumers expect Western standards, and many Polish companies fall short.

A friend was negotiating here to buy a considerable amount of mattresses from a factory run by an ex-PZPR guy that bought the factory in the early 1990's. The factory is nearly dead, so you'd think that the managing director would be willing to bend over backwards to secure the order. What happened? My friend turned up for the meeting, only to be told that the guy wasn't there and wouldn't be there that day. Unbelievable, but shows the utter contempt that many Polish-owned businesses have for their clients.

Even on a local level - I've got Biedronka, Kaufland and Piotr i Pawel nearby. Customer service in Biedronka and Kaufland is consistently good. In Piotr i Pawel (which is 100% Polish owned) - they've got a permanent attitude problem. Why would I buy anything there when the woman at the till is chewing gum and treating me as if I'm a nuisance?

People aren't going to buy Polish just because it's Polish, but they will is the product is as good as the foreign one.

In Poland there is many small private stores, sometimes it's also possible to meet a private, fully independent supermarket.

I don't know if it's private, but there's that T&J chain of mid-sized supermarkets in Wrocław that always comes to mind - excellent range of products, decent enough customer service and competitive price wise.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
24 Dec 2015 #25
People aren't going to buy Polish just because it's Polish, but they will is the product is as good as the foreign one.

Polish produce is often better than a foreign one, we still make products in a more natural one, the way nature intended for humans to consume.
Librarius - | 91
24 Dec 2015 #26
Germans have to take step back... alllllll the way back to Germany.

How do you define a country? As its people or as its business?
OP Ktos 17 | 456
25 Dec 2015 #27
My quote was both symbolic and literal, those Germans interfering in Polish affairs from wherever around the globe need to back away from doing so, whereas those Germans situated in Poland with an aim to change Polish soco-economic sphere should take enough steps back to end up back in Germany, for we do not need Germans who want to change the way we in Poland conduct business, affairs, education and law to name a few.
Librarius - | 91
25 Dec 2015 #28
Tell your story. You must have surfed somehow from people you call Germans or you have worked in a corporation paying taxis in Germany in which the whole managerial staff were people speaking German and you was an oppressed worker.

What is the reason for your anger?
OP Ktos 17 | 456
26 Dec 2015 #29
To the real Polish on this forum: Read my previous comments and read the one quoted here and take lessons from this, for this is how ignorant, uneducated and selfish tend to be, they have no idea about our history, and on top of it when they want to win an argument they paint you as someone mentally disturbed, that is their pervading tactic not only on this forum but all throughout western societies. It is a wonder no one takes offence to that.
weeg3
26 Dec 2015 #30
Why do foreigners like yourself presume to tell Poles how they can run their business?


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