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Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers


Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
10 Jun 2011  #151
have You ever listened to Radio Maryja

I have, since while you scan the radio band in your car, there are typically three-to-five frequencies at which Radio Maryja is simultaneously broadcasted at the same time at any single location and it seems there is no place in Poland they cannot cover. Listening to them for 5-10 minutes makes you regret you are Roman Catholic and you start hating your own faith. This is like listening to Radio Tirana au rebours.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
16 Jul 2013  #152
Merged: Gazeta Wyborcza losing readers.

Fakt has eclipsed Wybiórcza as Poland's top-selling daily. Super Express is in 3rd place. The only papers that have noted increased sales are Gazeta Podatkowa and Sport.

It turns out that fewer and fewer people reaching for " Gazeta Wyborcza " . The latest readership survey shows that in the period from December 2012 . Until May 2013 . On leadership position has changed , and the log Agora declined .

The information service wirtualnemedia.pl that the new leader of readership in Poland in the study PBC General was " fact " , ahead of " Gazeta Wyborcza " .

smurf 39 | 1,982
16 Jul 2013  #153
Kind of feel sorry for people who still read newspapers.
All news can be got for free in the Internet.
Twitter is prob the greatest source of news for me.

Although saying that I do subscribe to a few mags, but only in digital form. Don't see much point in continuing to use paper when it can be avoided.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
16 Jul 2013  #154
It's a cultural thing. Sure you can take some glowing tablet-shmablet to bed and have it shine in your face, but some prefer a real magazine or newspaper. The feel, the rustle, even the smell of printer's ink as well as the general ambience -- those things also play a role.

There are people who enjoy getting away from it all on the bosom of nature without the bells of cellphones and other e-gagdetry to contaminate the natural surroundings and distract them from the beauty of God's good earth.

And yes there are also those who go on outings and bring along laptops, cellphones, MP3s and other e-junk and spoil things for those looking for peace and quiet and the music that rustling leaves, babbling brooks and songbirds provide. To each their own!
Harry
16 Jul 2013  #155
How big is the fall? Is it on par with the fall in the number of Radio Maryja listeners who go on that stupid pilgrimage of theirs, i.e. down by 80% in the space of six years?
jon357 63 | 14,134
16 Jul 2013  #156
The feel, the rustle, even the smell of printer's ink as well as the general ambience -- those things also play a role.

The hiss of the flat iron, the plaintive cry of juvenile chimney sweeps, the sheer exhilaration of double declutching.

The media is changing - many people prefer to read in their iPads. Better for the planet too.

Worth mentioning that the GW website is the most frequented and influential by far of all the Polish newspapers' sites.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
16 Jul 2013  #157
double declutching

I understand the original Italian Fiat 500 (of the 1950s) required this. I have never owned a car that did. Have you? It's hard to concieve doing this 4 times (4-speed gearboxes back then), but I reckon one can get used to most anything.
jon357 63 | 14,134
16 Jul 2013  #158
I have never owned a car that did. Have you?

I've driven one. An old (late 1940s) Rover.

A pain in the arse to have to do.

I know what you mean about the feel of a print edition - I always tend to read more with them rather than just skim, but I fear their days are as done as the gas mantle and the kind of radio that used to warm up before it started.
smurf 39 | 1,982
16 Jul 2013  #159
The feel, the rustle, even the smell of printer's ink as well as the general ambience -- those things also play a role.

That's all nonsense, nostalgic crap in my opinion.
Imagine if people still watched VHS or Betamax, or used 4-track for their music. And don't get me started on vinyl. Hipsters and their feckin vinyl :P

surroundings and distract them from the beauty of God's good earth.

There is no God, please stop bring it into every time something not relevant to religion.
Also, if you were getting away from it all, why would you read a mass produced ad-filled rag?
A book yes, that's stirs the imagination, but a newspaper? Hardly.

peace and quiet and the music that rustling leaves, babbling brooks and songbirds provide

It is lovely once in a while for sure. However, taking a pic on your smartphone of your wonderful surroundings and sharing it with friends by sticking it on Instagram is a nice thing to do. too.

I don't miss newspapers at all, less ads on the Internet and in PDF/ePub versions of the subscriptions I get.
And like I said in a previous post, end Internet ads by installing adblock for your browser.

Books are a different thing though. I mostly read digitally now, but I have no prob forking out for an old book on Amazon or something. Try to get a first edition kind of thing. I think that's how books will go. Limited print runs to keep value up, but otherwise digital.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
16 Jul 2013  #160
Wybiórcza

I see not only are you not able to spell the name of Warsaw's City President correctly, but also not the title of GW.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
16 Jul 2013  #161
Wybiórcza

That is what it's called -- the Selective Gazette by those who have read into it and analysed their tactics and ruses. It's PC dictatorship all the way. And we all know what PC means -- leftist-liberal-libertine phobias, complexes, biases, prejudices and taboos passed off as 'progressivism'. Stalin also called what he was doing 'progressive'. Maybe that's no coincidence becuase Michnik and many other journalists of this rag have Stalinist family roots.
Harry
16 Jul 2013  #162
That is what it's called -- the Selective Gazette

And sadly for one very frustrated American 'journalist', GW is rather selective about whom it hires, especially when it comes to those who spent the '70s and '80s collaborating with the commie regime. Still, hopefully he will get over it one day.
jon357 63 | 14,134
16 Jul 2013  #163
That is what it's called -- the Selective Gazette by those who have read

By you perhaps.
teflpuss
17 Jul 2013  #164
I fear their days are as done as the gas mantle and the kind of radio that used to warm up before it started.

I know what you mean but did you know that valves in amps have made a commercial comeback, with a lot of musicians singing their praise because of their warm sound? I use gas mantles with a lantern in an electricity-free outbuilding. Great light, and gives out heat, too.

Pity about newspapers, but the internet is the way to go, as long as it's able to resist censorship and determined cyber-terrorists.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
17 Jul 2013  #165
Pity about newspapers, but the internet is the way to go, as long as it's able to resist censorship and determined cyber-terrorists.

Although I see on the Warsaw metro more and more people with a Kindle or another e-reader...I very much prefer a real book.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
17 Jul 2013  #166
GW is rather selective about whom it hires, especially when it comes to those who spent the '70s and '80s collaborating with the commie regime.

It really does indeed. Lesław Maleszka is just one of examples :)))))
Harry
17 Jul 2013  #167
Lesław Maleszka

A man who went to prison for opposing the commies (unlike your beloved DuckBoy).

It really does indeed.

After it came out that he'd worked for the SB, how many articles did he write for GW? Oh yes, one single book review.

Never mind Greggy, better luck next time!
sofijufka 2 | 191
18 Jul 2013  #168
A man who went to prison for opposing the commies (unlike your beloved DuckBoy).

he was never in prison, he was only interned, signed his allegiance and was released, backed up on it, were interned again for one or two months

[quote=Harry]After it came out that he'd worked for the SB, how many articles did he write for GW? Oh yes, one single book review.[quote]

are you sure?
1jola 14 | 1,879
18 Jul 2013  #169
Worth mentioning that the GW website is the most frequented and influential by far of all the Polish newspapers' sites.

The most quoted paper is Rzeczpospolita, then Gazeta Prawna, then GW. Agora(GW) stock is at a all time low as is its reputation as news source. If it weren't for government ads in it, it would have folded long time ago. Even lemmings are turning away from its constant anti-Polish, anti-Catholic drivel.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
18 Jul 2013  #170
constant anti-Polish, anti-Catholic drivel.

As to Rz being the Great Leader's mouthpiece?
1jola 14 | 1,879
18 Jul 2013  #171
Clearly, you are not familiar with the Polish press. Don't feel bad, I'm not familiar with the Belgian press, and I refrein from making stupid statements about its political affiliations.
jon357 63 | 14,134
18 Jul 2013  #172
Even lemmings are turning away

It's still the most popular quality paper and their website doesn't lack hits. The most respected too, with its only critics being denizens of the loony nationalistic fringe.
1jola 14 | 1,879
18 Jul 2013  #173
It's still the most popular quality paper and their website doesn't lack hits. The most respected too

You live in a different world, so quality and respected might mean something different to you than to most people. The fact that they are losing readers by droves means that people are sick of making "homophobia," imagined fascism, racism, antisemitism, and anti-catholicism central issues in public debate.
jon357 63 | 14,134
18 Jul 2013  #174
You live in a different world, so quality and respected might mean something different to you than to most people.

The normal, educated, cultured world in Warsaw in PL. A certain type of pooterish suburban folks may huff and puff at anything out of their comfort zone, however GW's readership stats, both in the print version as well as online show that plenty of people do still like it.
1jola 14 | 1,879
18 Jul 2013  #175
If you consider losing readers and plummeting stock prices good news, so do I.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
18 Jul 2013  #176
Clearly, you are not familiar with the Polish press.

Actually I am, after living a long time in Warsaw, quite familiar with the Polish press. I even take a look at Nasz Dziennik from time to time, just for amusement.

Rz is definitely a PIS mouthpiece.
sofijufka 2 | 191
18 Jul 2013  #177
A certain type of pooterish suburban folks

real language of love
1jola 14 | 1,879
18 Jul 2013  #178
Rz is definitely a PIS mouthpiece.

Harry, Joni, straighten out your buddy, please. Remind him of Hajdarowicz, Presspublika, Gmyz, and whatever else he missed in the past year. He is making an ass out of himself. Don't abandon a comrade in need.
jon357 63 | 14,134
18 Jul 2013  #179
Rz is definitely a PIS mouthpiece.

It tends to follow the market and since no other respectable newspaper will touch them they can see a niche in the market.

real language of love

And absolutely apt for so many PiSuarzy.
1jola 14 | 1,879
18 Jul 2013  #180
It tends to follow the market and since no other respectable newspaper will touch them they can see a niche in the market.

You should go into politics with that command of doublespeak.


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