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Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers


Torq 26 | 2,371
9 Jan 2011  #121
Oh, it clearly is. It relies on sensationalism to sell newspapers - that's the mark of a tabloid.

Even if ND was relying on sensationalism to sell (which I don't believe is the case) that is only
one mark of a tabloid. There are other marks of a tabloid, like for example:

- a lot of photos, very little text (clearly not the case with Nasz Dziennik, where it's
exactly the opposite - a lot of text and relatively few photos)

- pictures of barely dressed women, often on the verge of prnography, or shocking
photos of accidents and drastic scenes (you won't find anything of the kind in ND)

Tabloids in Poland ("Fakt", "Super Express") also tend to avoid controversial issues like
abortion, for example. "Nasz Dziennik" always presented their strong pro-life position
in that matter (that's one of the reasons for all the hatred and aggression from liberal
circles towards ND.)

Apart from that, you would be surprised at the number of scientists, politicians, writers
and university professors who either write or give interviews for ND. At the moment
I'm holding the latest weekend issue of ND - let's see:

- page 2 - an interview with professor Andrzej Kazimierczak from the Banking faculty
of the Higher Trade School (Szkoła Główna Handlowa) in Warsaw;

- page 5 - an interview with Bogusław Kowalski (former vice-minister of transport)

- page 6 - an article about railway situation by doctor Przemysław Czarnek and an interview
with ZUS press officer - Waldemar Grzegorczyk;

- page 12 - an interview with doctor Wojciech Muszyński - scientist from IPN, the main editor
of historical quarterly "Glaukopis"

Just a quick browse through the remaining pages would allow you to see a couple of more
articles by scientist, priests, artists and writers alongside the regular ND columnists,
a lot of text and few photoes (and none of them drastic or indecent.)

So, NO - Nasz Dziennik is not a tabloid and it is not considered as such, by anyone with
the slightest knowledge about press market. It is simply a conservative-Catholic newspaper
(for which reason it is hated and scorned by liberals.)

The crowd of mostly old people actually managed to prevent them from removing the cross was beyond insane - it made a mockery of the police and the entire security apparatus.

Now, when you say that, it makes more and more sense. The police were humiliated
by a bunch of elderly ladies, so when the same "mohairs" were assaulted later, they didn't
see it fit to react. Was that what happened? I don't know, but it's quite possible.
Ironside 48 | 9,748
9 Jan 2011  #122
unparalleled rudeness and contempt for poor, simple people,

Well, its only typical naked frankness of an attitude of certain kind of people in certain country's.
It only an idea of nation and Christianity are making claims as to respect and sames for all.
jonni 16 | 2,485
9 Jan 2011  #123
OK, so the account of two eyewitnesses that I spoke to, even if, for the sake of argument,
their account turned out to be false, is a "bed of lies"? Interesting.

Yes, absolute deliberate lies.
Back again with more bitter right-wing spleen to vent. You've proved that you're prepared to lie through your back teeth, and though I glanced at the pompous blustering attempts made to vindicate your earlier lies (which I'm afraid we have to assume are also lies - nothing you now say is believable), your earlier lie still stands out.

Namely that liberals were torturing old ladies with burning cigarettes in the main (and most heavily policed) street of Warsaw while a crowd watched.

Found any proof? No, of course not, it was a bare-faced lie. Now run along before people reading the thread think that all Polish people are as morally bankrupt as you. Anything else you've posted since must be disregarded since it is probably also fantasy.
Torq 26 | 2,371
9 Jan 2011  #124
Yes, absolute deliberate lies.

attempts made to vindicate your earlier lies (which I'm afraid we have to assume are also lies
- nothing you now say is believable

What lies, you idiot? :) I only repeated what I've heard from eyewitnesses (and what was
also referred to by Jarosław Kaczyński in an interview he gave after the events.)

Namely that liberals were torturing old ladies with burning cigarettes in the main
(and most heavily policed) street of Warsaw while a crowd watched.

Found any proof? No, of course not

*YAAAAAAAAWN*

Here goes the same old broken record again.

You can hold on to this "lie" thing, as long as you want, and keep trying to distract
people's attention from your false accusations and insults, but it won't work.

Now run along before people reading the thread think that all Polish people are as morally
bankrupt as you.

I'm really trying my best not to think of you as of a complete and utter retard, but you're
making it very hard for me (or, in fact, anyone else reading this thread) not to.

A self-important prick, accusing people of being nazis, insulting elderly ladies and mocking
poor, simple folks, is now lecturing others on being "morally bankrupt" - the comedy of it! :D

You are exactly the kind of guest worker that Poland could easily do without :)

It is a shame that you chose our country for perfecting your skills in hurling insults at elderly
people and throwing false accusations.
OP ender 5 | 398
9 Jan 2011  #125
Looks like people can be easily distracted. I have to say it's ND has no problem with popularity it's GW who lost 50% readers within 4 years. And it's a positive sign, now only youngsters believe in GW manipulations and lies.
jonni 16 | 2,485
9 Jan 2011  #126
You can hold on to this "lie" thing, as long as you want, and keep trying to distract
people's attention from your false accusations and insults, but it won't work.

Because it is true. You claimed repeatedly that liberals were torturing old ladies with lit cigarettes in the centre of the capital, even with crowds watching. As I remember, you even said the police were watching and doing nothing, possibly at the request of the Polish government.

It doesn't matter how many insults you throw (clearly a right-wing habit), you were still caught out lying in a particularly shameful way, and are too cowardly to face up to that. Why not just apologise for your lies and crawl back under a stone? It isn't as if anything you say here has any credibility anymore.
Torq 26 | 2,371
9 Jan 2011  #127
Because it is true.

No, it's not. Everyone can read the thread and see for himself that I only repeated
the account of eyewitnesses (confirmed by Jarosław Kaczyński) and expressed my
private opinion that the events were not entirely impossible.

NOW - let's sum things up:

1. You compared ND to nazi rags from WW2 and backed it up with absolutely nothing.

That means you're a slanderer.

2. You said that I've twisted the thread about GW sales figures into a rant about ND,
when it was YOU (and your buddy Sobieski) who started writing about ND and insulting its
readers, before I even mentioned it. Everyone can check the 1st page of this thread to see it.

That means you're a liar.

3. You said that ND is a tabloid when it obviously isn't (as I explained in detail
in post no. 121).

That means you're an idiot.

You are a slanderer, a liar and an idiot, and the best part of it is that it's everything here
in this very thread, for everyone to see :)

Frankly, I really can't see how anyone here should treat you with any respect after
the shameless display of idiocy, lies and slanders that you made in this thread.
OP ender 5 | 398
9 Jan 2011  #128
You are a slanderer, a liar and and idiot

jonni why are you slanderer, lier and idiot?
jonni 16 | 2,485
9 Jan 2011  #129
No, it's not. Everyone can read the thread and see for himself that I only repeated
the account of eyewitnesses (confirmed by Jarosław Kaczyński) and expressed my
private opinion that the events were not entirely impossible.

Don't worry - people can make up their own mind. They already know that you said liberals were torturing old ladies with lit cigarettes in the centre of the capital, with the police watching and doing nothing, possibly at the request of the Polish government.

This is clearly a lie, no matter how much you humiliate yourself by trying to wriggle out of it.

Since it never happened, you couldn't offer proof, just some spurious 'eyewitnesses' from the provinces (funny how none of the locals seemed to notice anything) and some heresay from a discredited politician.

And to make things worse, all you do subsequently is to fire insults. The words retard and Goebbels come to mind. True to form. Not only that, you resurrected the thread a day later when everyone is already sick of it.

Why not just be man enough to apologise, in case strangers reading the forum assume wrongly that all Polish people are as nasty and dishonest as you. Now buzz off, you're beginning to be a bore.
Torq 26 | 2,371
9 Jan 2011  #130
They already know that you said liberals were torturing old ladies with lit cigarettes in the centre of the capital, with the police watching and doing nothing, possibly at the request of the Polish government.

LOL

It must be 10th or 11th time that you repeat this, like a broken record. Surely copying and
pasting the same text in every post can be considered spamming, so it looks like I have to
add one more element to my very fitting description of you:

You are a slanderer, a liar and an idiot, and the best part of it is that it's everything here
in this very thread, for everyone to see :)

...and, we can now safely add - a spammer.

Now buzz off, you're beginning to be a bore.

Well, f**k you too.
jonni 16 | 2,485
9 Jan 2011  #131
It must be 10th or 11th time that you repeat this, like a broken record.

Because you're still trying to pathetically save face by your usual combination of lies and insults.

It was already boring yesterday.
OP ender 5 | 398
9 Jan 2011  #132
They already know that you said liberals were torturing old ladies

jonni - Goebbels
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

(a lie, if audacious enough and repeated enough times, will be believed by the masses) can we have a quote from Torq post, please? if not apologize or I will end my every with jonni is a lier.
Torq 26 | 2,371
9 Jan 2011  #133
Because you're still trying to pathetically save face by your usual combination of lies and insults.

No, I'm not trying to "save face". I'm only pointing out who's the real liar and a slanderer here.

It is quite impudent of you to talk about lies and insults, when you were caught lying yourself
and you are, actually, the one who started the insults fest in this thread.

It was already boring yesterday.

Oh, certainly. It was boring the very moment you first mentioned ND in this thread.
It was already boring when you started insulting people in a perfectly decent thread
about GW sales figures.

jonni-Goebbels (a lie, if audacious enough and repeated enough times, will be believed by the masses) can we have a quote from Torq post, please?

Here it is...

You know, it's funny how you talk about people being fascists, comparing newspapers
to nazi rags, while you are acting like the best student of Joseph Goebbels yourself,
repeating something for 100 times, to make people believe it.

jonni 16 | 2,485
9 Jan 2011  #134
Amazing how some people seem pathologically incapable of apologising for their errors. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. :-))
OP ender 5 | 398
9 Jan 2011  #135
Amazing how some people seem pathologically incapable of apologising for their errors.

See jonni it's PF is not GW you can't spread lies without consequences.
JONNI IS A LIER
jonni 16 | 2,485
9 Jan 2011  #136
ender
stop trolling!
OP ender 5 | 398
9 Jan 2011  #137
stop trolling!

jonni stop lying you claim Torq said something which he didn't and you repeated that couple times. It's not GW you can't do this here without consequences. Apologize you lier.

You got support from only one mod even he/she can not stretch rules for you (too much)
Stu 12 | 522
9 Jan 2011  #138
Torq said something which he didn't

Ender, please learn to read. Torq himself pointed to it in his #133.
Torq 26 | 2,371
9 Jan 2011  #139
I think Ender meant the post in which I wrote about the conduct of anti-Catholic mob
(which I called "GW readers" as an answer to Jonni's insults towards ND readers.)
I wrote that based on eyewitnesses' accounts and words of Jarosław Kaczyński himself...

You could see, though, GW supporters spitting at people praying under the cross and
extinguishing cigarettes on the necks of praying older ladies (while police didn't see it
fit to react.)

...so in this particular case Jonni was not lying.
OP ender 5 | 398
9 Jan 2011  #140
Ender, please learn to read.

What are you talking about? Cos I'm talking about this.
Stu stop smoking weed.

They already know that you said liberals were torturing old ladies with lit cigarettes in the centre of the capital, with the police watching and doing nothing

Stu 12 | 522
9 Jan 2011  #141
Cos I'm talking about this

And this "this" is what?
OP ender 5 | 398
9 Jan 2011  #142
I'm sorry jonni.

You could see, though, GW supporters spitting at people praying under the cross andextinguishing cigarettes on the necks of praying older ladies (while police didn't see it fit to react.

I had to miss this post.
jonni do you smoke?, stu does!
jonni 16 | 2,485
9 Jan 2011  #143
I had to miss this post.

Enough already. Torq and I had a disagreement, strong words were used, then we got sick of it. Because unlike you, both he and I prefer having stimulating debates to trolling.
Torq 26 | 2,371
9 Jan 2011  #144
Yes. I think that everything that was supposed to be said in this thread was said already
and Jonni and I agreed to re-schedule our "duel" to some other time. I will keep an eye on
him from now on, and I'm sure he'll do the same for me ;)

*Torq has left the building... the thread, I meant*
OP ender 5 | 398
9 Jan 2011  #145
Because unlike you, both he and I prefer stimulating debates to trolling.

Unlike you I know when to apologize and like you I know how to make it hard to swallow.

- Jeden z przeciwników krzyża przypalił modlącą się panią papierosem. Zrobiłam tej pani zdjęcie, widać na nim oparzenie na karku przy szyi. Zaoferowałam, że gdyby chciała zgłosić sprawę, to mogę udostępnić zdjęcie jako dowód. Jednak ta pani była bardzo przestraszona, więcej jej pod krzyżem nie widziałam - relacjonuje serwisowi Hortensja Gulbinowicz

- One of the enemies of the cross burnt praying lady using cigarette . I did this lady picture, you can see in him a burn on the neck. I offered that if she wanted to raise the matter, I can provide pictures as proof. But this lady was very scared, I have not seen her anymore after incident- Hortensja Gulbinowicz report to Fakt.

You can clearly see Gazeta Wyborcza supporters doings.
Intelektualista - | 1
11 Jan 2011  #146
some mohairs were burnt while prays? very well serves them good for being backwerds katholic idiots. they should have burned those praying mohairs with torches not with cigaretts
jonni 16 | 2,485
11 Jan 2011  #147
Unlike you I know when to apologize and like you I know how to make it hard to swallow.

And of course it isn't proof of anything, and wouldn't stand up for even one second in a court, Polish or otherwise - just heresay from a tabloid, and a photo that could be of anything - but don't let that stop your fantasy!
hubabuba - | 113
10 Jun 2011  #148
To make to story short: all those who think that they can stop people from reading what they want to read: fek off. It ain't gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the problem is- wyborcza and friends have control of most of the media, and it is they who are trying to stop You from reading or watching anything else, anyone who doesnt agree with them is antisemite, racist, backward...

it is them who make "nagonke" on some people, destroying them.
Check who is writing for them, check their biographies, isnt that interesting that so many of them have communist, traitors or murderers in the families?like Michnik- father- a communist and a traitor, brother- stalinist judge, murderer, hiding in Sweden. I know that people are not responsible for the actions of their families, but that is just a great coincidence that so many alike are working together.

why is it that document about Zbigniew Herbert cannot be shown in the tv because Herbert talks bad about Michnik?why Remuszkos book is completely passed over?how is it possible that a man is invited to university for a lecture(i think) and wyborcza makes hate campain against him-calling him antisemite etc(not proving abything of course but making a lot of fuss and an atmosphere )then a man is banned from university because they heard he MIGHT be antisemite.

I dont oppose wyborcza, but the power and influence they have, it is just not healthy
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
10 Jun 2011  #149
the problem is- wyborcza and friends have control of most of the media, and it is they who are trying to stop You from reading or watching anything else, anyone who doesnt agree with them is antisemite, racist, backward...

Most of the media? Are you another person that needs reminded that the #2 daily newspaper is a PiS rag? Have you forgotten that Radio Maryja is still broadcasting their anti-government nonsense? Do you need reminded that Rydzyk's media empire is still going strong?

it is them who make "nagonke" on some people, destroying them.

Right, and the opposition media has never tried that? Do you need reminded that the opposition leader actually used the security services against the media?

I dont oppose wyborcza, but the power and influence they have, it is just not healthy

I suppose you're right - we should ban Radio Maryja for having too much power and influence over the mohairs, and perhaps ban Gazeta Polska for manipulating PiS voters into a state of hysteria.

Heck, let's just ban the mass media.
hubabuba - | 113
10 Jun 2011  #150
Most of the media? Are you another person that needs reminded that the #2 daily newspaper is a PiS rag? Have you forgotten that Radio Maryja is still broadcasting their anti-government nonsense? Do you need reminded that Rydzyk's media empire is still going stron

are You another person that should do the reality check?please turn on tv, and tell me what You see, I can count on one hand the jurnalist that dont share the one right view on politics

Right, and the opposition media has never tried that? Do you need reminded that the opposition leader actually used the security services against the media?

I dont think anybody should try that

Radio Maryja

I find it funny-people bashing Radio Maryja as the most evil and dangerous force on Polish soil, seriously who listens to them?and dont start with moherowe berety- as they have no power, no influence, seriously bunch of elderly people will not take over, leave them alone because it is getting ridiculous, it is the youung minds I am worried about.

btw, have You ever listened to Radio Maryja?


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