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lostinlodz 2 | 13
2 Mar 2014 #1
When Poland joined the free market (EU) they went from a command economy to a free market economy.

Then why is there restrictions of business and requirements for education and certificates to do even something as silly as real estate agency?

That's not really a free market. Any one care to explain for did the EU forget to send the memo to Poland. Did they vito their obligations or are they just playing silly games too fool people into parting cash for things they really don't need?

What EU laws count in Poland? Anyone?
Nojas 4 | 110
2 Mar 2014 #2
Don't really get your point, there's no such things as unrestricted and totally free markets in any EU-country. Who told you that?

You have to specify more deeply with examples.
OP lostinlodz 2 | 13
2 Mar 2014 #3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

When Poland joined the EU they joined the free market meaning

"A free market contrasts with a controlled market or regulated market, in which government intervenes in supply and demand through non-market methods such as laws creating barriers to market entry or directly setting prices."

So why is there restrictions on opening certain business in Poland? In particular Banks and Estate Agency. Its against direct contrast of EU laws, the same with the sale of goods act, stating customers have a week to decide if they want a purchase but yet again in Poland they refuse to take goods back or send them for repair instead of replacing them?

Do Polish people really not know their laws very well. It seems they cling on to the old laws and did not really understand the EU laws change everything.
Nojas 4 | 110
2 Mar 2014 #4
There's no such thing as Free Market stated within the EU. Linking to Wikipedia about "Free Market" gives you nothing when talking about EU-law.

Give me an example of a country in EU where anyone can start a bank without the appropriate government body controls it? I highly doubt you can start a real estate agency in any EU-country without proper certification. I know of none.

EU has market economy, not Free Market economy.
OP lostinlodz 2 | 13
2 Mar 2014 #5
You cannot be in the EU without free market economy, else there will be no reason to join the EU and do cross border trade and movement, Of course you can open estate agency in the UK, You just not a member of any regulatory body, it means jack in court because in a free market the courts cannot inter fear in business unless you lied to the client and said your a member when you were not but ultimately its the clients decision to do business with who ever they want in a free market. Thus in a free market the government cannot state things what stops some business from conducting business in different EU countries and null the EU usefulness.

cfr.org/poland/polands-economic-model/p29506

"The collapse of Communism in Poland following the victory of the opposition Solidarity movement in free elections in 1989 paved the way for the rapid establishment of a free-market economy. Poland's transition to a capitalist system was spearheaded by then-finance minister Leszek Balcerowicz, with the assistance of U.S. economist Jeffrey Sachs. Balcerowicz and Sachs administered so-called "shock therapy" to the Polish economy by implementing a large-scale privatization program of state industry; creating a stock exchange, capital markets, and a convertible currency; eliminating price controls and slashing subsidies; and carrying out strict budget cuts. The goal of the program was to integrate Poland into the mainstream global economy by making it more like the states of Western Europe, which shared a "common core of capitalist institutions," Sachs explains in his 1993 book Poland's Jump to the Market Economy."

So Poland says it has a free market economy, but practices something else.
Yes you can open any business you want, you can even represent yourself in court due to this very fact. Only places who do not operate a free market economy do not allow people to represent themselves. This is why some people say only do business with people who a gas card, but if I came to your house and said, I don't have any gas card but I am cheaper, the blame does not go to the gas man, but you!

The gas man walks away free after the house blows up. That's free market and the law.

I don't think many people understand this EU thing. It's designed for business to operate around the EU
But what they really don't see is that once you sign on to the EU

You no longer a country but a member state of the EU
The EU operate a free market capitalist system and that means business can hike prices to what ever they want.

That's why the UK and other members are keen to get out. You have no more say, its EU laws and when business men blocked the local government is taken to the EU courts and the member state then backs off because you signed up to follow the laws from Brussels in exchange for cross border trade and money.

The people in the UK want out because they no longer a country but a member state, just like Poland.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
2 Mar 2014 #6
So why is there restrictions on opening certain business in Poland? In particular Banks and Estate Agency.

Banks are regulated in every country, I don't know about real estate agents in the U.K. but a qualification is required in Ireland.

I presume because they don't like competition :)

Crime
OP lostinlodz 2 | 13
3 Mar 2014 #7
Not really, you cant do certain things as a bank but you can act like a bank but not call yourself a bank. I think the whole thing is tied to the name BANK.

where this video of my Irish friend in London taking money from people, paying interest and investing in his community business for a return = bank but not called a bank, its a investment group or other.

Is this not what a bank does?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
3 Mar 2014 #8
I highly doubt you can start a real estate agency in any EU-country without proper certification. I know of none.

Yes, England, Wales & Northern Ireland. Scotland might be different, but probably not. Optional certification. Optional trade body membership.
You can also run a UK garage to repair cars without a certificate unless you want to conduct statutory safety or emissions tests.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Mar 2014 #9
taking money from people, paying interest and investing in his community business for a return

You can do that in Poland.

You can even loan people money, the interest rates are not regulated like the banks and therefore they can charge much more because they are not called 'banks' from what I've read.

bank job

Yes, England, Wales & Northern Ireland. Scotland might be different, but probably not. Optional certification. Optional trade body membership.

None at all needed?
I know that a certified estate agents has to sign off for the final contract and up until that you could be dealing with an uncertified estate agent but really, none at all?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
3 Mar 2014 #10
None at all needed? I know that a certified estate agents has to sign off for the final contract and up until that you could be dealing with an uncertified estate agent but really, none at all?

Zero. None. Nic.
nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/estateagent.aspx

I have no idea what you mean when you say certifieds have to sign off a contract. Lawyers or conveyancers do that, conveyancers need to be licensed.

A long overdue call for formal qualifications has now gone quiet.
old.estateagenttoday.co.uk/news_features/RICS-calls-for-compulsory-qualifications-for-all-agents

What's worse is you get unqualified agents calling their market appraisals "valuations" which is supposed to be illegal, and has been for 20 years. Only a chartered or similar surveyor can do a valuation, although in practice they often phone agents for prices.

General car repairs/servicing
uk.answers.yahoo/question/index?qid=20120418051433AAV6XkW
Monitor 14 | 1,820
3 Mar 2014 #11
When Poland joined the free market (EU) they went from a command economy to a free market economy.

No, It happened when Poland switched from Communism in 1989:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustawa_Wilczka]
polscott24.com/poczatki-wolnego-rynku-w-polsce-po-1989-r

Joining EU from economic point of view meant unifying laws with those of EU and joining EU free trade zone, not EU free economy zone.

Then why is there restrictions of business and requirements for education and certificates to do even something as silly as real estate agency?

Because it's not completely free economy, as it nowhere is. Poland scored only 50th place in Economic Freedom ranking (although strictly speaking economic freedom is not only thing which it measures), so don't expect too much.

heritage.org/index/ranking

Any one care to explain for did the EU forget to send the memo to Poland.

What EU laws count in Poland? Anyone?

EU is not liberal economy zone. It doesn't forces completely liberal market, but also restricts it in the same time with it's regulations. So Poland is without few exceptions according to EU laws.


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