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ItsAllAboutME 3 | 270
2 May 2011 #1
There is an article in the Economist from last week:

A Place at the Top Table

GOOD fortune and Poland are rarely coupled. But the biggest of the European Union's newish members now has something to celebrate. It survived the financial crisis with barely a blip-its economy even grew in 2009 when most others shrank (see article). It is the unquestioned diplomatic and economic heavyweight of its region. In July it takes over the rotating presidency of the EU.

economist.com/node/18620794?story_id=18620794

I would like to find out how accurately it describes, in your opinion, the current situation in Poland, the good things and the bad things.
Crow 139 | 8,639
2 May 2011 #2
i can tell you that Poland becoming more and more popular in Serbia. We understand Poland as center of our civilization.

i look forward to day when would Poles and Serbs form America, Canada, Australia,... came back home in Slavdom of Europe. i hope also, Poles and Serbs from Britain, France, Germany...
gumishu 11 | 5,239
2 May 2011 #3
I would like to find out how accurately it describes, in your opinion, the current situation in Poland, the good things and the bad things.

I haven't read the article yet - but I think from the choice of the 'flourishing' title thats it pretty delusional

edit: an excerpt from the article: Yet Poland must raise its game to regain its rightful place at Europe’s top table. That must start with the economy, which despite a good recent run still exhibits ominous weaknesses.
OP ItsAllAboutME 3 | 270
2 May 2011 #4
We understand Poland as center of our civilization

:)!! Where exactly is back home?

the 'flourishing' title thats it pretty delusional

well, it's a trick people who write articles use to catch your eye. How gripping would it be to start an article with, "Poland is doing so-so?"

Ok, so I gather it's still terrible there...
gumishu 11 | 5,239
2 May 2011 #5
Ok, so I gather it's still terrible there...

it's not terrible at the moment - but the prospects are actually gloomy - even if most people are not aware of that (it then will just take'em by surprise)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
2 May 2011 #6
The Economist is likely paid off by PO. I did a series of lessons based on their material some time back and the bias was overwhelmingly in favour of Tusk.

As to the thread itself, Poland is moving forward in a number of key areas but inflation really needs to be addressed. Without this, there will be no feelgood factor amongst the people and isn't Poland for the benefit of the Poles first and foremost?
THE HITMAN - | 236
2 May 2011 #7
Billions in debt........ and flourishing ?
Crow 139 | 8,639
2 May 2011 #8
:)!! Where exactly is back home?

will you please try to be more specific in your question

Billions in debt........ and flourishing ?

let us hope that Poles may found way to turn that debt into the gift or to say simple, just to take those billions. Poland deserve at least that from so called west.

Poland is moving forward in a number of key areas but inflation really needs to be addressed.

what are priorities for Polish government? what areas must be consolidate on the first place?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
2 May 2011 #9
what are priorities for Polish government?

Unification with matka Srbia?
gumishu 11 | 5,239
2 May 2011 #10
matka

isn't that matica Srbija?

OK, have a good night everybody :)
pawian 170 | 11,476
2 May 2011 #11
I haven't read the article yet - but I think from the choice of the 'flourishing' title thats it pretty delusional

No. Compared to what had been happening here for the last 300 years before 1989, the term flourishing is completely justified. I think you are too young to remember certain things.... :):):)
delphiandomine 85 | 18,268
2 May 2011 #12
Billions in debt........ and flourishing ?

Spending your way out of debt is quite a normal tactic in business.

See also : Richard Branson.
THE HITMAN - | 236
2 May 2011 #13
Spending your way out of debt is quite a normal tactic in business.

Regardless, the debt is still there and Polands stability is only surviving thanks to EU funding. They already begged the EU for the same amount of input they recieved from the later budget, from the forth coming budget.

When that comes to an end. Which it will. The circumstances can be likened to Greece, Portugal and Ireland.
Can,t predict anything 100%, only time will tell, as it did with those mentioned.
pawian 170 | 11,476
2 May 2011 #14
Regardless, the debt is still there and Polands stability is only surviving thanks to EU funding.

No, the debt in its large part is a result of EU funding. :):):)
Mr Grunwald 20 | 1,554
2 May 2011 #15
Polands stability is only surviving thanks to EU funding.

Other contries got EU funding, and do not have much stability... Don't think it's a valid point
THE HITMAN - | 236
2 May 2011 #16
Poland got the lions share. Not a valid point ?
TheOther 6 | 3,821
3 May 2011 #17
i look forward to day when would Poles and Serbs form America, Canada, Australia,... came back home in Slavdom of Europe. i hope also, Poles and Serbs from Britain, France, Germany...

Has been tried before. "Heim ins Reich" - remember?
pawian 170 | 11,476
3 May 2011 #18
Poland got the lions share. Not a valid point ?

How do you count it? :):):)

2007-2013 funding program had 347 billion EUR. 177 billion EUR was available for the ten new member states in CEE. Poland received about 66 or 67 billion, with the population of 38 million.

Now, look at other countries. The Czech Republic got 27 billion though its population is 10 million. The same with Hungary.

Besides, do you know that the lion`s share means everything or almost everything, actually? Read a known fable by Aesop:

The Lion's share
The Lion went once a-hunting along with the Fox, the Jackal, and the Wolf. They hunted and they hunted till at last they surprised a Stag, and soon took its life. Then came the question how the spoil should be divided. "Quarter me this Stag," roared the Lion; so the other animals skinned it and cut it into four parts. Then the Lion took his stand in front of the carcass and pronounced judgment: The first quarter is for me in my capacity as King of Beasts; the second is mine as arbiter; another share comes to me for my part in the chase; and as for the fourth quarter, well, as for that, I should like to see which of you will dare to lay a paw upon it." "Humph," grumbled the Fox as he walked away with his tail between his legs; but he spoke in a low growl. "You may share the labours of the great, but you will not share the spoil."


SO, who really got the lion`s share? :):):):)
Crow 139 | 8,639
3 May 2011 #19
Unification with matka Srbia?

please. Maybe Poland is mother, maybe Serbia is mother, what does it matter who is mother. Only important thing is salvation and progress.

you know, Slavdom is like a beautiful butterfly.... at first Serbia was butterfly that turned to pupal and larval stage... then, Poland was born from the larva in anther butterfly and so on and so on. We are all butterflies or in larval stage sometimes.

i hope that you understand. If not, never mind, forgive yourself.

this is how Poland should be understand, as beautiful butterfly

:)
THE HITMAN - | 236
3 May 2011 #20
How do you count it?

Well the chart says it all really. Nice to see you done your homework.
As for " The lions share ". My apologies, I didn,t think anyone would take it that literal.
Nevertheless, lets say Poland got " the biggest slice of cake " then.
Does it change the fact ?

Main Entry: lion's share
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: largest portion
Synonyms: advantage, better part, biggest share, biggest slice of the cake, body, bulk, chief part, gist, main part, mass, meat, most

Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
3 May 2011 #21
The Czech Republic got 27 billion though its population is 10 million.

Yea it isn't that all that much once you take into account that Poland is much larger and has a much larger population. Should have gotten around 100 billion.
pawian 170 | 11,476
3 May 2011 #22
Well the chart says it all really. Nice to see you done your homework.

No it doesn`t. :):):)

Nevertheless, lets say Poland got " the biggest slice of cake " then.
Does it change the fact ?

You seem not to do your Maths homework back in school days. :):):)

I provided you with population numbers. Can you count how much money from EU funds statistically falls per capita in Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, not to mention Lithuania?

How about using a calculator?
:):):)

Yea it isn't that all that much once you take into account that Poland is much larger and has a much larger population. Should have gotten around 100 billion.

Exactly.

:):):)

Comparing to Czechs, more exactly: 97.71. I used my favourite calculator.

Main Entry: lion's share
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: largest portion
Synonyms: advantage, better part, biggest share, biggest slice of the cake, body, bulk, chief part, gist, main part, mass, meat, most

:):):):)

Are you a teacher, too? :):):):)

Nice to meet you. :):):)
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
3 May 2011 #23
this is how Poland should be understand, as beautiful butterfly

If that crazy, blinking, freaky-looking thing is a beautiful butterfly then I don't understand Poland.
Raficoo 3 | 34
3 May 2011 #24
true.. just like how they say China will overtake USA's economy in the near future.. but even if China has $1million GDP more than USA, divide it by their enormous population(1.3+billion, about 1Billion MORE than the US) and you will see how "rich" they are ;)
convex 20 | 3,978
3 May 2011 #25
It's not really a matter of individual wealth, it's purchasing power (and more importantly, industrial wealth). Poland is doing well by increasing manufacturing jobs. Time to rally the wagons and start working on trade barriers in the short term to capitalize on the manufacturing gains...
THE HITMAN - | 236
3 May 2011 #26
You seem not to do your Maths homework back in school days.

Does the individual recieve the quota ? ....... No.
You,ll be talking land mass next.
Think what the budget is given for ( in economic terms ).
Take it Economics wasn,t one of your subjects back at school.

Are you a teacher, too?

No. I,m a psychopath !!!
pawian 170 | 11,476
3 May 2011 #27
I told you to use the calculator. :):):)

No. I,m a psychopath !!!

Yes, I can see that. :):):)

In that case, I am going to turn in. Goodnight.

:):):)
OP ItsAllAboutME 3 | 270
3 May 2011 #28
Regardless of the per-capita rate of the EU funding, the truth is that government spending boosts GDP, whether it's used efficiently or not. I can see how a large deficit can be scary (and nobody needs to explain it to us here) but at least some of it went for a fiscal stimulus (read: some good old fashioned consumer spending). That's good for the GDP as well.

I don't think increasing manufacturing is the key, it's about the diversity of where the money comes from.

And, to all those people who call the Polish abroad traitors and other moronic crap like that, apparenty all the people abroad sent close to $10 billion back home last year, so if I were you, I would be nice to your American, British or Irish "Polacks" because $10B is no small change.

(I'm still curious about what Crow is planning about the Slavdom...)
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
3 May 2011 #29
Regardless, the debt is still there and Polands stability is only surviving thanks to EU funding.

Talk about Economic Illiteracy!! You win first prize.
gumishu 11 | 5,239
3 May 2011 #30
and start working on trade barriers

what trade barriers - do you mean mental ones? cause I don't see too many official ones


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