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Poland's fight against paedophilia


johnny reb 17 | 3,537
12 Jun 2015  #121
the Queens alledged involvement herself.
WTF?

Although if anybody does have any names to add to the list, I'd be interested in hearing the background to such cases

Here ya go Harry give these websites a try................

bing.com/search?q=Parliment+paedophile&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC
jon357 63 | 14,124
12 Jun 2015  #122
What about PT instructors, scoutmasters, teachers, doctors, etc.

Do many of their employers admit to routinely covering up their crimes and enabling them to offend again?
johnny reb 17 | 3,537
12 Jun 2015  #123
Yes jon, the link I provided explains that fully.
A powerful paedophile network may have operated in Britain protected by its connections to Parliament and Downing Street.
Harry
12 Jun 2015  #124
What about PT instructors, scoutmasters, teachers, doctors, etc.

How many schools, hospitals, etc do you know of which employ convicted (and self-confessed) paedophiles in positions of power and trust with regard to children and/or young people? The RCC in Poland most certainly do just that, as demonstrated by the cases mentioned above.

Do many of their employers admit to routinely covering up their crimes and enabling them to offend again?

To say nothing of making evidence disappear and attacking the victims.
jon357 63 | 14,124
12 Jun 2015  #125
The RCC in Poland most certainly do just that, as demonstrated by the cases mentioned above.

This is the whole issue here - not just that it happens, but the way child protection issues are dealt with. Another issue is that in Poland it is very hard to prevent someone released from prison for abusing their own child from returning to the family home if they have a meldunek.

Yes jon, the link I provided explains that fully.

No it doesn't. You suggested that HM The Queen was involved in child abuse earlier!

BTW, unproven allegations about well-known people in another country do not relate in any sense to the situation in Poland - except perhaps to show the contrast between something being highly publicised and investigated in order to discover if there is any truth in the allegations or swept under the carpet.. Indeed it is deliberately going off topic.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Jun 2015  #126
@jon357 You'd better believe it! Few if any organisations or companies come out and proclaim: Hey, our group is riddled with perverts and child molesters. In fact, quite the opposite is true. The cover-up is the typical reaction to such problems. Your "glorious" (?!) country's Lord Janner na przykład.

The Baptist Chruch in America did the same:
salon.com/2013/03/12/evangelical_church_accused_of_ignoring_sexual_abuse_pedophilia_ring_partner

Boy Scouts of America collected data to identify offenders and keep them from re-applying for positions in other communities. But scout officials in many cases never reported the incidents to local authorities while safeguarding them in what they termed "the confidential file."

democraticunderground.com/113723513

Although cover-ups are a widespread practice, strangely enough the Jon & Harry comedy act focuses on mainy a single source: the RCC. Coincidence, horse-blinkeredness, vindictiveness (buggered in the confessional?), pure spite or what?
Artem
12 Jun 2015  #127
It is apparently ok for pedophiles in academia to get away with their crimes with a mere slap on the proverbial wrist if they say that they were really sorry about it:

articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/04/local/la-me-ln-student-body-president-sex-offender-20130404

Catholic Church trying to rehabilitate pedophile priests = pure evil.

California trying to rehabilitate sex offenders in academia = enlightened and progressive.

The more you know...
jon357 63 | 14,124
12 Jun 2015  #128
Pol3, that quote is not from me.

By the way, worth mentioning that people are innocent unless proven guilty - your example of Lord Janner needs to be tempered with the fact that he is being investigated but has not been charged with anything.

focuses on mainy a single source: the RCC. Coincidence, horse-blinkeredness, vindictiveness (buggered in the confessional?), pure spite or what?

More because this forum and this thread are about Poland - are there many Southern Baptists in this country?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Jun 2015  #129
jon 357: Do many of their employers admit to routinely covering up their crimes?

None freely admit but all of them cover up.
jon357 63 | 14,124
12 Jun 2015  #130
None freely admit but all of them cover up.

Any sources for that within Poland? Or is it just another untruth that you were hoping to slip under the net.
Harry
12 Jun 2015  #131
The Baptist Chruch in America did the same:

So they are scumbags too. However, they are not going to have any negative effect in Poland when it comes to enabling and covering up for paedophiles; the RCC can have, has had and, most sadly of all, will have.

Boy Scouts of America collected data to identify offenders and keep them from re-applying for positions in other communities. But scout officials in many cases never reported the incidents to local authorities while safeguarding them in what they termed "the confidential file."

Do feel free to explain how that is connected to Poland's fight against paedophilia, i.e. the topic of this thread.

Indeed it is deliberately going off topic.

Very deliberately, very obviously and for a very obvious reason. It's the kind of thread derailing that would result in certain members getting at least a warning.
Marsupial - | 888
12 Jun 2015  #132
I want to know why rcc priests cannot marry. Which page or pages of the Bible it says they cannot. I know a lot of you are versed in this subject. If this is a con created by man who was responsible for it? I am of the opinion that if they could marry it would help the cause.

The issue is broad, but can we stick to the topic?
jon357 63 | 14,124
12 Jun 2015  #133
I want to know why rcc priests cannot marry.

To stop then bequeathing assets to their wives and children originally. Some RCC priests are married though, especially Uniates and ones who've converted from Anglicanism. Very few in Poland though and as far as I know this has no impact on child abuse.

However, they are not going to have any negative effect in Poland

Quite. And the more issues are avoided, the bigger the sh1tstorm when they blow up later, as we have seen elsewhere.
Marsupial - | 888
12 Jun 2015  #134
I reject the science where it says being married and having a partner and perhaps children does not stop that sort of urge for some. Sorry but that defies common sense so if that's what we know as the truth it's wrong. I don't think its that broad and it is one way we can stamp on that behaviour and an important one. So priest being with a wife was about money? Lol. So it was to preserve the wealth of the church. So it is in the same league where jesus said that we dont need a church and it is in the heart, a whole book deliberately removed from the bible? Again about people in charge and church and money but not the true path. Meh.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Jun 2015  #135
certain members getting a warning.

Harry the snitch!

Poland does not exist in a vacuum. All the sex-related garbage (perversions, porno, child abuse, etc.) is also seeping across the border, so comparisons are very much in order.
jon357 63 | 14,124
12 Jun 2015  #136
All the sex-related garbage ............... is also seeping across the border,

None of this is new to Poland - the same issues have always existed everywhere. The issue is how sensibly they are dealt with and whether or not issues are covered up - as they have been in Poland.
johnny reb 17 | 3,537
12 Jun 2015  #137
Harry the snitch!

He sure is a little stinker isn't he.
My point was why are the priests being targeted in Poland ?

I want to know why rcc priests cannot marry. Which page or pages of the Bible it says they cannot.

I think you may find the answer to that in the Catholic Doctrine (written by man's inspired words) and not in the Bible (Christ's inspired words).

RCC priests take an oath of celibacy when they become priests giving up the right to ever marry.
Maybe that is why so many paedophiles become priests is because it is an opportunity of a life time to fit the profile of being "normal" in "disguise" having given up the right to marry and say run a bording school of young children. (A wolf in sheeps cloths)

The government of Poland should have the ability in this day and age of computers to be able to do
back ground checks on anyone teaching/having access to young children as a profession, not just priests.
jon357 63 | 14,124
12 Jun 2015  #138
My point was why are the priests being targeted in Poland ?

The issue is that far from being 'targeted', they have been protected by their employer and allows to continue abusing.

The government of Poland should have the ability in this day and age of computers to be able to do
back ground checks on anyone teaching/having access to young children as a profession, not just priests.

This is possible, however there are those who like to think that clergy should be above the law.
johnny reb 17 | 3,537
12 Jun 2015  #139
This is possible, however there are those who like to think that clergy should be above the law.@ jon357

Well anyone with lots of money (Parliment) thinks that, not just the RCC clergy.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Jun 2015  #140
scout officials in many cases never reported the incidents to local authorities

This shows that cover-ups are the typical response to such embarrassing situations by not only the RCC. Cover-ups, failure to reprort offences to the police wherever that occurs enables the offender to continue functioning. The boy-buggering homos also don't go broadcasting their offences it all over the place, do they?
jon357 63 | 14,124
12 Jun 2015  #141
not only the RCC.

Are there issues with the Scouting movement in Poland too?

Well anyone with lots of money (Parliment) thinks that, not just the RCC clergy.

Although I'm not aware of any proven cover-up in the Polish parliament or any other, we do know that cover-ups have been admitted to and proven within the RCC.
johnny reb 17 | 3,537
12 Jun 2015  #142
Although I'm not aware of any proven cover-up

Go back to post #122 and google it.
Life long embarrassement and extreme humiliation goes along with such a crime by both the perpetrator and victim in such a crime.
That along with demoralizing both parties contributes to the hush hush.
However when MONEY is at stake the playing field changes.
Prompt people and organizations are willing to pay huge sums to make it just go away.
That is why it is so hard for Poland or any other country to fight such a crime.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Jun 2015  #143
RCC children abuse is peanuts in scale compare to British and Germans "tourists" and their exploitation of children worldwide.
they turned entire countries like Thailand into brothels,where they exploit kiddies.now,they go to Cuba or Africa..
if Poland wants to fight peados,it should have a close look at those 1000-ds of Glitters.
when British government apologize for those practices of its countryman?sweeping problem under the rug?
why always RCC? how about UN soldiers?huh?anything was done to punish offenders?

How many schools, hospitals, etc do you know of which employ convicted (and self-confessed) paedophiles in positions of power and trust with regard to children and/or young people?

wow..the most prominent person in EU parliament is self confessed peado..the one that is now regarded by EU as a top expert in children sexual education in EU countries.invited many times to Poland by Palikot,universities and Poland ministry of education..that is cohen bendit

invited many times by PO crooks on polish taxpayers expense. he stated that most sexual thing for him is 6 years old child undressind
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Jun 2015  #144
cohen bendit

The Cohen Bandit (misspelling intended) is buddy buddy with his ethnic compatriot Michnik. During the Paris mad-dog rampage of '68 he commuted from Germany to incite even more violence.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Jun 2015  #145
talking about cover ups alot? how about leftist propaganda tube BBC and delivering and organizing orgies in hospital with disabled and mental sick children?
how many of those got punished? they were covering up **** for 30 years,until savile death.no a person got prosecuted.and this leftist tube was shi..ing on RCC all this time

buddy buddy with his ethnic compatriot Michnik

ahh yea,,both are those "clean dicks" types
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Jun 2015  #146
converted from Anglicanism

Interesting point. There were indicaitons that JP2 was taking small steps in that direction. He accepted into the RCC a number of married priests of the Utrecht-linked (once regarded as heretical) Polish National Catholic Church based in Scranton, PA without re-ordination. The married Anglicans had to be ordained anew. JP2 also dissolved a seminary in Vienna due to the discovery of homosexual activity amongst the seminarians. But all that was taking place in the twilight of his pontificate, and his successor did not pursue the priestly marriage theme. I wonder if Pope Francis will take it up?
Marsupial - | 888
13 Jun 2015  #147
I hope francis takes it up. It's obviously a charade. From an assets point of view in the modern world such things are separated in that one entity owns the church and land, another owns its personal income and assets. There is clear distinction and it's not possible to hand church land or property to your wife. The priest is a worker there his assets are seperate from company assets. So they can remove that as a reason for a start.
Harry
13 Jun 2015  #148
This is possible, however there are those who like to think that clergy should be above the law.

Sadly this is the case. One example would be the way that volunteers who want to work in a orphanage have to go through very rigorous health tests, psychological profiling and criminal background checks before they can give their time to help; however, an RCC employee who is being paid to go there has automatic access due to his RCC position. A priest can be a convicted paedophile but will still automatically pass the state screening to work with kids, as was shown by the way Roman K. went from being deported from the USA for raping a girl to teaching religious education to students the same age as his victim.

This shows that

The way that you quote yourself and claim that I wrote those words is disgraceful. Your posts show that you are far more interested in pointing fingers at organisations outside Poland and defending the RCC than you are in finding a way to stop this abuse in the future. You are, in short, part of the problem, you are certainly not part of the solution.
jon357 63 | 14,124
13 Jun 2015  #149
Go back to post #122 and google it.

Still no proof of anything - just unproven allegations.

British and Germans "tourists" and their exploitation of children worldwide.
they turned entire countries like Thailand into brothels,where they exploit kiddies.now,they go to Cuba or Africa..

"Entire countries into brothels"??

The Cohen Bandit (misspelling intended) is buddy buddy with his ethnic compatriot Michnik

So what?

All the three 'posts' above are just trying to deflect from the real issue - which is a sad and serious one. If the RCC can admit that there have been failings in the past, it's a shame that some here do anything to say otherwise and to distract attention from the situation in Poland.

One example would be the way that volunteers who want to work in a orphanage have to go through very rigorous health tests, psychological profiling and criminal background checks before they can give their time to help

This is the heart of the matter. I wouldn't advocate that Poland follows the UK, where even an allegation that has been proven beyond any doubt to be false (even in the rare cases where the accuser is successfully prosecuted for lying) prevents anyone ever working with kids (or even seeing their own grandchildren unsupervised), however the situation does require some joined-up thinking. There are far fewer cases that come to court in Poland than in the English-speaking world, due to the higher burden of proof (this is good) and a reluctance to speak out if crimes actually do occur plus the lack of 'compensation culture' (in the UK false accusers can get compensation just for reporting something, whether it's established that a crime has occurred or not), however it is important to find a balance.

It's as if the issue is ignored here in Poland. There was a case here recently where three 16 year-old girls were on the game. It was not dealt with as a child protection issue. There is also a reluctance on the part of Social Workers to intervene in problem families and a belief that problems are best sorted out "within the family" - however toxic that family may be.

And of course as compensation culture develops (and this has started) we can expect it all to blow up suddenly and become a huge issue.

Utrecht...without re-ordination. The married .....ordained anew

Theologically complex - however an issue for a very different thread.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
13 Jun 2015  #150
are just trying to deflect from the real issue

Your statement is partially true but misdirected. The constant, obsessive harping on the RC clergy = paedo theme is an attempt to deflect from the threat creeping homosexualisation poses to society as a whole. Never forget: a larger percentage of homosexual paedophiles are not priests. Why don't you ever mention them?


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