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About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland


espana 17 | 911
3 Mar 2012 #1
The collision occurred between a train Warsaw-Krakow and Przemysl-Warsaw train and took place shortly after 21 hours
The Government has announced in a statement that the prime minister, Donald duck , goes to the scene.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
3 Mar 2012 #2
About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland

sixty according to the news now.
monia 3 | 212
4 Mar 2012 #3
This is a very tragic accident and I hope that all injuries are not life threatening .

BTW I also hope that in 3 years the era of all ducks in Poland will end and we will enter new peaceful existence free of domestic fowl :) .
LwowskaKrakow 28 | 431
4 Mar 2012 #4
Yes terrible. The trains between Warsaw and Krakow are ok but the railways are in such a derelict state + the whole railway system is not properly monitored in Poland, it is like in India.
Waldy - | 3
4 Mar 2012 #5
Worst is before us...There are many injured (or dead people) trapped into wrecks..I affraid that numbers of victims will rise..

peace for relatives
hairball 20 | 313
4 Mar 2012 #6
So far 15 bodies have been recovered. No more living people in the wreckage, only bodies remain.

Edit:

54 injured and 2 people ok.

There were about 370 people on the two trains.

This is sad and Poland mourns again.
pawian 163 | 10,357
4 Mar 2012 #7
it is like in India.

You know nothing about trains in India:
gumishu 11 | 5,122
4 Mar 2012 #8
Yes terrible. The trains between Warsaw and Krakow are ok but the railways are in such a derelict state + the whole railway system is not properly monitored in Poland, it is like in India.

actually CMK line that connects Warsaw and Silesia and Kraków was quite recently modernized (upgraded to higher speeds) - I don't know what actually happened but no head on collision took place as both engines would be severely damaged and I have seen one almost intact - what they said on Polsat news is that one of the trains derailed before the collision - I don't know how much truth is in that
Waldy - | 3
4 Mar 2012 #9
It is to early to say what happened there..We need to wait for investigation results...However I am curious how it happened..
a.k.
4 Mar 2012 #10
gumishu

What you actually see on tv is the back of the InterRegio locomotive, not front. The InterRegio locomotive was heavier so it was less damaged. Just look on the other locomotive how severely is damaged (actually it's almost comepleyelt destroyed). Tvn shows animation how the accident might run and according to them both locomotives after the crash linked out from the other wagons. Then the wagons derailed.

The witnesses of the accident (the passengers) says that they were moving on the wrong side of the track. There was some part on the rout which is modernized, so the trains move there on one railtrack. For some reason the train didn't go back to the right track after passing the modernized rout (the accident occured on the regular double-rail part).

The witnesses also says that 10 minutes before the accident the train (I think InterRegio) stopped, probably waiting for another train to pass them by but that never happend so the train set off after waiting for several minutes.
gumishu 11 | 5,122
4 Mar 2012 #11
It is to early to say what happened there..We need to wait for investigation results...However I am curious how it happened..

some things can be ruled out instantly pal - just by the sight - a engine driver cannot intentionally derail a train - there was no head on collision - that one of the trains derailed before the collision is obvious from what they are showing - I couldn't figure out in what configuration it derailed

OK. I just found out more from the news - on a junction one train pierced through the other - and that's why the other trains' engine is intact
Gustav 1 | 50
4 Mar 2012 #12
A sad event and no time for speculation or politics.

RIP.
modafinil - | 418
4 Mar 2012 #13
some things can be ruled out instantly pal - just by the sight - a engine driver cannot intentionally derail a train

Scheduled engineering works were taking place on one track at Szczekociny station at the time of the accident.
The Krakow train was on the wrong track, Andrzej Pawlowski, a member of the board of the state railway company PKP, told the TV station TVN24


bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17248735

Fourteen people were killed and at least 54 injured when two trains collided head-on in one of Poland's worst train crashes in several years.
gumishu 11 | 5,122
4 Mar 2012 #14
Tvn shows animation how the accident might run and according to them both locomotives after the crash linked out from the other wagons.

for me the animation on TVN24 makes little sense
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
4 Mar 2012 #15
Yes terrible. The trains between Warsaw and Krakow are ok but the railways are in such a derelict state + the whole railway system is not properly monitored in Poland, it is like in India.

Bit of an ignorant thing to say in light of recent events, even the most modern railway systems can have horrific accients..google Potters Bar.

I hope they find out who was to blame for this and they are punished, it's generally human error and this most likely could have been prevented this from happening, trust me Ive was involved with several enquries whilst seconded to Network Rail where the smallest thing could have caused devistation on the railway system (hate travelling by train now!)

RIP to those who lost their lives and a speedy recovery to those who were injured.
rt3d 10 | 46
4 Mar 2012 #16
If you are coming to Poland for euro 2012
please avoid traveling by train
seems polish railway do not have
very good reputations..

every year there's always a train accident, last year it was the train to Katowice
polish railway never release final conclusion of causes or even compensations for family
accidents are 90% caused by human error
i guess every one feels the same
pawian 163 | 10,357
4 Mar 2012 #17
Don`t be stupid. Train crashes happen everywhere. Also in Germany.

At least 10 people are reported to have died in a train crash in eastern Germany. A local passenger train and a goods train collided head-on in the state of Saxony-Anhalt late on Saturday, near the city of Magdeburg.

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12082035
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
4 Mar 2012 #18
polish railway never release final conclusion of causes or even compensations for family

The only true part of that is that most accidents are caused by human error. Train accidents can and do happen anywhere and Poland doesn't have a particularly bad record in this respect.

I understand that one of the trains was on the wrong track which suggests the fault was with the signalling.

there was no head on collision - that one of the trains derailed before the collision is obvious from what they are showing

Here's the latest report in English.

Two trains have collided head-on in southern Poland, killing a reported 15 people and injuring at least 54, officials have said.

Both trains had been travelling on the same track towards each other and collided head-on, Andrzej Pawlowski, a member of the board of the state railway company PKP

guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/04/poland-train-crash-dead-injured

More and more it looks like a signalling issue.
smurf 39 | 1,981
4 Mar 2012 #19
and Poland doesn't have a particularly bad record in this respect

at least 3 accidents in the last 6months?
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
4 Mar 2012 #20
If you look over a longer period and especially at the number of fatalities over the years, the record here isn't so bad.
smurf 39 | 1,981
4 Mar 2012 #21
the record here isn't so bad.

yea sure, say that to the families of the 30+ people that have been killed in the last 6months.

It's ridiculous, over 1000 people died on the roads last year, trains are crashing or derailing like crazy lately. A handful or planes have crashed, mostly privately owned one.

And what's being done about it? Nothing. It turns my stomach that nobody is doing anything to try and fix the brutal state of infrastructure in Poland. People just shrug and say "Yea, that's Poland" Yea mate, that's bull**** and all those deaths come about because of the collective laziness and acceptance of the **** standards of things in this country.

Will PKP release their findings?
Will anyone be fired?
Will anyone spend a day in prison over this?
Will the families of the victims receive compensation?

For too long the people that run this place haven't been answerable to anyone and they've gotten away with subpar standards for donkeys of years. The people who live here have a responsibility to try to force changes. But will they? No, coz nobody here gives a shít about their fellow man in this country. And that's the reason why Poland will never be anything but a bit player in Europe and the world, sorry to say it but it's the truth.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
4 Mar 2012 #22
Look at the record for rail safety in, say, the last 50 years in the UK.

Though one difference is that in the UK, you can trust the findings of investigators and know that at least everything will be transparent.
smurf 39 | 1,981
4 Mar 2012 #23
the last 50 years in the UK

sorry to sound rude man, but I don't live in or use trains in the UK. I live and work in Poland and use the trains here and it frightens the living Jaysus outta me when stuff like this happens and then to make things worse, nothing, not one fúcking thing gets done to try and improve things.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
4 Mar 2012 #24
One problem is that PKP is still a state-owned dinosaur with all sorts of vested interests in play to keep it that way. Another problem is that Poles can't blame the problems on outsiders so transparency is unlikely.
gumishu 11 | 5,122
4 Mar 2012 #25
isn't the railway infrastructure in the UK re-natinolized at the moment?
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
4 Mar 2012 #26
One problem is that PKP is still a state-owned dinosaur with all sorts of vested interests in play to keep it that way. Another problem is that Poles can't blame the problems on outsiders so transparency is unlikely.

Looks like most of Europe has the same problem and are fond of their dinosaurs, the British rails are also government-controlled so are those of France, Ireland, Italy and Germany. Though DB AG is a public limited company but all its shares are owned by the government. The British pretty much the same as German model at the moment, surprise, surprise, so where’s the problem? That transparency you speak of I imagine has to be the same in those places as well, besides did anyone blamed the outsiders? News to me, time to give up the bottle for a Lent, it sure would be nice to have a sober discussion even if it’s only for a month or so.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
4 Mar 2012 #27
In Britain they privatised it years ago with huge disagreement though the overall effect (except for ticket prices) has been positive.

Poland has some way to go here and PKP is still an unaccountable behemoth. Do you really expect full transparency in any investigation here or much less an admission of institutionall guilt in PL should that be appropriate?
peterweg 36 | 2,316
4 Mar 2012 #28
isn't the railway infrastructure in the UK re-nationalized at the moment?

Yes.
monia 3 | 212
4 Mar 2012 #29
In this particular case the state of the railway system has nothing to do with this accident. This section was completely modernized last year.

Look at the list of recent very fatal disasters in Europe and Asia :

25 April 2005 - 107 dead , 460 ijured , Osaka Japan
22 September 2006 23 dead Germany
30 June 2009 29 dead Italy
15 February 2010 18 dead , 95 injured Belgium
30 January 2011 10 dead Germany
24 July 2011 25 dead , 200 injured (Czeciang) China

Poland is uderway of the extensive rail modernisation since II WW and not every rail track has been modernised yet but the progress is visible , although average person don`t have an idea about its scale . Poland has got one of the largest rail track system in Europe .It will take another several years to be completed .
scottie1113 7 | 898
4 Mar 2012 #30
In this particular case the state of the railway system has nothing to do with this accident.

I think you're right. I think someone fell asleep at the switch. It was a preventable tragedy.


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