Facebook censors nationalists and their planned 11 Nov. march in Poland

Who and what is facist, what legal and illegal it is up for the law to decide. Monopolistic organizations, individuals like yourself can have their own obsession and opinions but that doesn't make it legal or right for them to discriminate against that group of people that they dislike.

You are missing the point, Iron. Certain political organizations or views might be legal or accepted in one country, but might not be tolerated in others. There was an American Nazi Party in the US for example which operated in the open protected by freedom of speech. In Germany they would have been arrested and locked away immediately. Polish politicians have approved to ban the use of phrases like "Polish concentration camps", which would be considered a form of censorship in the US. See what I mean?

Facebook laid down their rules in the Community Standards for everyone to read. If you want to use their service, you'll have to follow their rules. Hate speech for example is not allowed. Question is, who determines what is hate speech and what not...

Its not about rules but about an agreement between Facebook and European commission to block al those sides and accounts that are associated with anti--immigrant stance (in regard to illegal Muslim in Germany nad EU). Meaning dissident voices are to be censored.

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No, you're missing the point. Political games and ideological power play using pall mall all tools to their deposal including censorship, means that public debate is stifled and there is no freedom of speech anymore.

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I do. If an American company like Facebook want to operate in Poland should apply Polish laws to their 'standards'. Not that it has to do with any rules, it is clearly a political discrimination against people arbitrary targeted by the monopolistic company thinking that it can get away with it!

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Hate speech concept is against freedom of speech. So, an American company do not comply with the American Constitution.
I sure would think that invitation and reminder about the fourth of July parade with a picture of the American Falg is considered a hate speech by some Facebook employee. Because that is what had happened in Poland. (change the 4th of July to 11th November and American into Polish flag).

Take a walk round Warsaw and see how many monuments you see to people who were murdered by supporters of homosexuality. Then take another walk and see how many monuments you see to people who were murdered by supporters of fascism. Perhaps then you'll understand why fascism isn't a good idea.

As it happens, I don't think that homosexuality is any more of a good or bad thing than having brown eyes or being whatever star sign.

they must have been Italian fascists no? wasn't the word fascism born in Italy? all fascists must have believed in the Uebermenschen ideology no?

That's what you would think, but the situation is a bit more complicated. Facebook's data centers are located in the US and in Sweden, so pretty much outside the reach of Polish law. If they refuse to follow Polish law (which they certainly would), Poland's only option would be to block Facebook altogether.


That's why I asked you if and where you would draw the line. Following your logic, the usage of the phrase "Polish death camp" should be considered free speech, even if Polish law might make it illegal in the future. Correct?

There is more and more evidence that PC is the cancerous contagion of the 21st century. If they already are able to muzzle free speech through intimidation, slander, pressure and black-balling, what will they do when they get even more totalitarian to non-compliant dissidents: jail, exile, firing squad. lethal injection?

Polish people are considered pretty smart compared to other nations. However, it didn't prevent them from getting installed onto the Facebook's corporate farmland for the sheeple that does nothing but enslaves their creativity and free-thinking.

Gee, that's what I said.
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If people would communicate on Facebook planning to get baseball bats and get Harry.
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Don't know about Polish law. I know that of something is based on a lie is considered slander and that is another line for you. I wouldn't make it illegal I would just sue the S...out of anyone who would use it!

Yes, but banning them is just another form of censorship that you claim to despise so much.


That was not very nice, Iron... :)

No, those are rules for monopolistic international that want to impose their own laws and customs. Serves them right.

The WWW is international; national governments cannot control it unless you want something like North Korea. And don't forget that companies like Facebook or Twitter are only successful as long as they maintain a strong user base.

Of course, but the poster is taking his cues from Uncle Joe. Since the Soviet socialism-building construct was unable to oppose national socialism (Nazism) by name, because it migth confuse the masses, Stalin imposed the fascist label on the Third Reich and all things pertaining thereto. Crudely scrawled on the sides of Lend-Lease Dodges and Studebakers was the ubiquitous slogan: Смерть фашистам!

That is not entirely true and you know it.

And Facebook office in Warsaw is in a virtual world, isn't it?

Countries like North Korea or China might be able to suppress information, opinions and web sites, but only at a huge cost and only to a certain extent. In the end there is always another server somewhere on the web where the information they wanted to suppress will be mirrored.


And? They simply close it and that was that. Do you really believe that Facebook executives care about a handful of - as Pol3 liked to call them - nationalist organizations in Poland throwing a hissy fit? Certain content is unwanted as stated in Facebook's Community Standards. You don't like it? Then don't sign up and carry your business elsewhere. If the decision to ban certain content (and the reasoning behind it) is always justifiable is a whole different question.

The problem is that they don't give the definition of that "certain content" and that's why they apply double standards.

Facebook like any company have a responsibility to vet their clients and users, know your client is a norm in circa 2016. Why should Facebook or any other media provide a platform for individuals or organisations who operate outside terms and conditions of Facebook. They are a business and have fiduciary duty.

The fascist hissyfit over this is so very amusing. Grow a pair, you man-babies. Surely you're resourceful enough to organize your organize your hate-train elsewhere?