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Ethnic tensions erupt in Ełk, Poland


OP mafketis Activity: 17 / 3,741
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2 Jan 2017  #61

"Stockholm Syndrome" where the victim actually feels sorry for his or her attacker

Much of western europe seems to have lost the most basic of survival instincts happy to endure enless humiliations for the privilege of pretending there's no problem. Fortunately that's not the case with Poland (or other countries lucky enough to survive communism).

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2 Jan 2017  #62

western europe seems to have lost the most basic of survival instincts

They call it "Socialism" at it's finest.
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2 Jan 2017  #63

Just read through this, and since I'm living in Germany, here's my 2 cents:

stuff like this (especially stabbings that end in death) happens ALL the time here, and very often the reason for a mass assault/stabbing is a very minor one.

Several "refugee" housings have been burned down, for example, because the arsonists did not get their preferred breakfast treat one morning. (many millions of euro damage on each)

It happens also that an innocent passersby on the streets is assaulted, beaten in the face, clubbed, stabbed, you name it, for no other reason than looking white.

Which is not a surprise, as Germany took in millions of aggressive people (and if the law were actually heeded, they'd ALL be counted as illegal criminals) many of who openly state they hate Europeans.

Stealing is a bad crime imo. I'm not at all for being lenient on that one.
But chances are that the victim in this incident would have been stabbed anyway.
I've seen just too many people beaten halfdead and stabbed without any reason (of course, there is a simple, well-known reason, but you are not allowed to say that in Germany, or you are a PHOBE).

There are cities here where the police doesn't dare to go anymore. The only law there is the Sharia.
Be careful how you proceed in the future, unless you want that in Poland too.
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2 Jan 2017  #64

actually, no. one could forget he hold a knife, if you momentarily start chasing someone you may, in the anger, forget what you hold in your hand.

And you believe that this is the case? that he forgot about the knife in his hand? :-))) Please, say yes, for the sake of entertainment.
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2 Jan 2017  #65

@Wulkan
Yeah. Few years ago I started to chase a guy and I completely forgot about that ak 47 I had in my hands. Tried to pick in nose in the meantime with my index finger accidentally pulling the trigger lolololo.

I'll just add that original Rumcajs isn't even Polish. Hehe
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2 Jan 2017  #66

Much of western europe seems to have lost the most basic of survival instincts

This is sad and funny at the same time. I laugh at UK, Germany, France and whole Scandinavia for how dumb they are yet I am sad because after they lose they countries (sooner than later) we and other Central / Eastern European countries will be left overwhelmed by the savage.
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2 Jan 2017  #67

Wirtualna Polska writes that Daniel and his mate entered Prince Kebab. Daniel grabbed 2 bottles of Coca-Cola. Both an employee and the kebab owner chased him, got him and stabbed him to death. Daniel's mate was inside all the time and fired a firecracker after the owner and the employee got back into the Kebab.

To me it's a first degree murder and both should face life sentences. Both should be deported and die in Tunisia and Algeria prisons.

I expect nothing less than that.
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2 Jan 2017  #68

wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1342,title,Algierczyk-z-zarzutem-zabojstwa-21-latka-Co-wiemy-o-tragedii-w-Elku,wid,18660918,martykul.html

To some (RubasznyRumcajs) stealing 2 half-litre bottles of Coca-Cola is worth killing the thief lol
After2020  
2 Jan 2017  #69

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/287191,Man-charged-with-kebabrestaurant-killing You have got to love facebook - Now there is a 'boycott the Islamist Kebab' movement, would like to know if that also includes Falafal and humous if so I am done :-) Kebabs originated from Turkey and Iran, both coutries are fighting Daesh.Unbelievable whatever next - Priceless...
NoToForeigners Activity: 6 / 519
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2 Jan 2017  #70

@After2020
Like we Poles care about the history of a fking Kebab lol It comes from a muslim country and that's it. Or is Turkey not Muslim and the frequent bombings in Istanbul are Christians job?
After2020  
2 Jan 2017  #71

NTF, So the historical bonds between Poland and Turkey for near 600 years or the declaration on Turkish-Polish Strategic Partnership signed in 2009 stand for zilch. Be careful what you wish for Turkey are sizeable investors in Poland.
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2 Jan 2017  #72

Kebabs originated from Turkey and Iran, ....Unbelievable whatever next - Priceless...

Indeed, so why then was the place being managed and staffed by North Africans instead of Turks or Iranians? Not very authentic kebab then is it? So much for that cultural enrichment we keep being told about it.

Odd too that this restaurant would need to import labor from thousands of kilometers away rather than hire locally. Even more odd that the instinct of these killers would be to take a life over such flimsy victim blaming excuses such as not paying for a beverage or setting off a firework.

The authorities in Ełk should look deeper into the histories of these foreign born murderers. It is no secret that organized criminals (you know the sort that resort to extreme violence at the drop of a hat) often set up seemingly legitimate businesses like bars and restaurants to launder dirty money from sordid trades like human trafficking, drug smuggling, prostitution and terrorism.
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3 Jan 2017  #73

Well they didn't save money on less theft if the business is finished for two cokes or something. Management from hell.
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3 Jan 2017  #74

Much of western europe seems to have lost the most basic of survival instincts happy to endure enless humiliations for the privilege of pretending there's no problem.

If we look at what is now becoming more and more the paradigm of European politics, that is the threat from jihad. This is now not the danger that someone in Paris or in Berlin looks at their Muslim neighbours and says oh well these are some civilised Muslims we were able to with our culture managed to in some way integrate them into society and there somewhere in the Balkans exist some Bosniaks to whom we changed their name giving them a new identity and from the other side there are those Serbs who are, who knows what they are doing and so and so. Now jihad is knocking at their doors.

Since in Paris happened two cases with over 200 victims then also the old Europe started to think in the direction wait a moment we have a problem respectively as that movie title says the enemy at the gates. We have one foreign body for Europe that is the ideology and civilisation of Islam which is also old and rooted therefore as the Christian one, a little younger but rooted and serious. We have in our own backyard that, however their civilisation has become totally decadent it has become a consumer society, their men are no longer the men from 100 years ago, their men are now metrosexuals, popularly speaking, their women are not the women who sometimes ago kept families, their women are now women who stay in shopping centers and they have received millions of those who have traditional communities that have a strong vertical, therefore they do not have only horizontal regulation, they have a strong biological potential, they have a strong ideological upbringing with which they advance ahead in that straight progressive sence. Europe now does not have an answer to this and Europe now similarly as to the end of the 18th and beginning of the 19th century is trying to find it's roots and I suggest that Europe as it did then is trying to find them there where they are preserved and that is this area.
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3 Jan 2017  #75

We as a nation were the first to clash with radical jihad during the 1990's. The first polygon for their actions were in Bosnia and Kosovo. Their recruitment centers still until today are to be found on our territory or in the vicinity of our territories. We were also the first nation to also clash with the other evil to have befallen Europe and that is NATO pact, this is the Atlanticist ideology which is also in the same way inappropriate to European civilisation, and equally to Atlantiscism are opposed the French, Serbs and Russians.

katehon.com/article/together-against-globalization-poland-and-europe-between-sovereignty-and-integration

Because to us as an old European civilisation that American product is not inherent. Again we Serbs on two occassions went to war against NATO pact. In that I see our strength. We didn't go through a good period during the 1990's we had even worse problems during the 2000's however all the sacrifices that we went through can in this moment become the symbols of one new politics which is now in paralell being born in the East through the doctrine which is pushed by Vladimir Putin who is realistically in this moment the World's greatest statesman, about this there is no question, he is today popular in Serbia more then he is popular in Russia and he is popular also in Germany, he is popular in France, he is also popular in America. He is popular in the greater part of civilisation which is thinking where further? But from the other side you have also the Western European answer and that is the new European political wave which is led by Marine Le Pen who is in essence, if we would have from one side Angela Merkel as a paradigm of one old European politics then you have Marine Le Pen as a possible paradigm of one new European politics which precisely strives to return the sovereignity to nations who aims to return the independence to European countries, who strives to Russia as the only world military power that can Europe (in that real military sense of the word) free from these problems, incorporate and to make one story which will be now the story of a united and much wider Europe then it is today.
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3 Jan 2017  #76

Indeed, so why then was the place being managed and staffed by North Africans instead of Turks or Iranians? Not very authentic kebab then is it?

You probably believe that all places selling pizzas are staffed by Italians?

Or is Turkey not Muslim and the frequent bombings in Istanbul are Christians job?

So what is your point? That Muslims kill other Muslims?

that is the new European political wave which is led by Marine Le Pen

Hardly new, the Le Pen family has been in the business of politics for the last half century!!
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3 Jan 2017  #77

You probably believe that all places selling pizzas are staffed by Italians?

You conveniently overlooked my other comment:

Odd too that this restaurant would need to import labor from thousands of kilometers away rather than hire locally.

If this restaurant couldn't be bothered to be authentic then jobs at it should have been given to Polish locals and not to those who are not only not Polish and not even EU citizens but not even from cultures that would serve the type of food on their menu anyway.

Face it, the only common factor between the North African owners and employees of this kebab joint in Ełk and the two countries (Turkey and Iran) where another poster said kebab originated is their religion.
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3 Jan 2017  #78

You probably believe that all places selling pizzas are staffed by Italians?

He doesn't. It was just his response to someone saying that kebabs somehow enriches culture.

So what is your point? That Muslims kill other Muslims?

No. Muslims kill Christians. In Ełk and in Istanbul.
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3 Jan 2017  #79

then jobs at it should have been given to Polish locals

In a number of western european countries (esp the UK) fast food jobs are common front for chain immigration (as is the halal meat industry).

Lots of local Polish people work in kebab shops so it's not like there's a huge shortage to justify the problems of work permits, my guess is that the "employees" paid the owner kickbacks for a work visa to europe and after they paid him off they would move on to France or Germany.
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3 Jan 2017  #80

He doesn't. It was just his response to someone saying that kebabs somehow enrich culture.

This Wincig character clearly doesn't care about Poland. He is just another apologist for mass migration from Islamic countries into Europe.

my guess is that the "employees" paid the owner kickbacks for a work visa to europe and after they paid him off they would move on to France or Germany.

That would make a lot of sense and just shows how much of a scam immigration to Europe has become. Today's migrants aren't bringing any talents which locals don't have or doing jobs which locals won't do. These criminal migrants are transitory opportunists so being inauthentic and disregarding the very lives of locals they encounter is completely normal for them. The shoe would definitely be on the other foot though if what they are doing in Poland and the rest of Europe were to happen in their own countries of origin.
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3 Jan 2017  #81

No. Muslims kill Christians. In Ełk and in Istanbul.

Well, you're just plain wrong. Apart form Turks, most of the foreigners killed in Reina were Arabs

He doesn't. It was just his response to someone saying that kebabs somehow enriches culture.

Nope. My reply was to Bieganski that kebabs should only sold by Turks..

So much for that cultural enrichment we keep being told about it.

You're right. In the eighties I remember how culturally enriched I felt every time I ate a zapiekanki , a prime product of Polish culture
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3 Jan 2017  #82

You can eat kebab but only THE REAL POLE'S REAL KEBAB!

kebab

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OP mafketis Activity: 17 / 3,741
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3 Jan 2017  #83

most of the foreigners killed in Reina were Arabs

IINM the suspect in the shooting was Arab - fundamentalists always turn first and mostly violently agains their own.

That would make a lot of sense and just shows how much of a scam immigration to Europe has become.

Part of the modern anti-racism religion is that all western countries need large amounts of immigration (don't ask why, it's an article of faith). Most Eruopean countries aren't that attractive to the rootless cosmopolitans that are considered top tier immigrants (since they require immigrants to learn local low prestige languages which rootless cosmopolitans don't want to do).

Middle Easterners are mc-immigrants, they don't pay for themselves (quite the opposite they seem to be a deadweight burden on every country they end up in) but countries like Sweden and Germany can still congratualte themselves on how tolerant and anti-racist they are and how attractive they are as immigrant destinations.

Tha'ts not gonna work in Poland where anti-racism has only a very small following. This has its downsides like random attacks on non-westerners, on the other hand Poland is very unlikely to ever attract a welfare dependent muslim underclass. So that's nice.
After2020  
3 Jan 2017  #84

If one researches deeply into Islam it became apparent that Islam has been hijacked and Mohamed has been radicalized to suit the purpose of the ideologists issuing their propaganda. There is no empirical evidence that religion and ideology are primary motivators for violent extremism. Radicalisation is a social issue. [...] non-original content deleted

So how are we going to go about stopping these people, firstly we have to understand they are spreading lies, they can not be allowed to destroy our culture,we can not fear them they are not superior, next we have to support our Police,security services the experts and stand behind them even if it may seem some of our civil liberties are being taken away. We allowed the elephant in the room, we believed the politicians that all people coming to Europe as refugees and economic migrants would share the same European values as us. Now it is time to give our support to the experts who are fighting this fight every day and give them the tools to win. That starts by voting for the party that is willing and strong enough to make change.
After2020  
3 Jan 2017  #85

Post 84 contains extracts from the following article theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/14/the-role-of-islam-in-radicalisation-is-grossly-overestimated Please read in full.
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3 Jan 2017  #86

Islam has been hijacked and Mohamed has been radicalized to suit the purpose of the ideologists issuing their propaganda. There is no empirical evidence that religion and ideology are primary motivators for violent extremism

I actually agree with that. Violent jihadists are usually young men who've failed to make anything of themselves (usually through their own choices) and who become angry. Islam is just an excuse for them to hurt people which is what they really want to do.

a core Western value of freedom of expression that no one "should be killed, or face a serious threat of being killed, for what they say or write"against the view of many Muslims that no one should be free to "insult and malign Muslims"

Islam, like other religions, doesn't withstand much in the way of rational scrutiny. Muslims today tend to perceive scrutiny as an attack and humiliation which must be answered in force. This is a real different cultural value that canno coexist in the same place with freedom of expression as understood in the West. I have no desire to change muslim beliefs (in situ) but I really see no value in the religion spreading to europe, especially as the carrier of a hostile underclass.
After2020  
3 Jan 2017  #87

Mafketis, there is no separation between violent jihadists, neo fascists and anarchist terrorists each promotes the agenda through violent extremism. They are followers of cult leaders which recruit their followers amongst the disenfranchised and lost souls.
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3 Jan 2017  #88

followers of cult leaders which recruit their followers amongst the disenfranchised and lost souls

rewrite "disenfranchesed and lost souls" as "violence prone losers" and I'll agree.

I'm a big believer in the idea that adversity doesn't shape character, it reveals it. The Christmas market trucker was a violent loser long before he set foot in Europe and began wasting opportunity after opportunity. A clever sociopath masquerading as a holy man managed to convince him he could indulge in his desires to kill people and feel righteous about doing it.

That said, modern Islam is kind of.... lost. It's stuck in literalism which keeps the whole Muslim world stuck in backwardness and tradition.

Remember: Spain translates more book in a single year than the entire Arab world has for a thousand years (and domestic book production in the Arab world is pretty miserable as well). The Arab world is the current sick man of the world.
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3 Jan 2017  #89

(and domestic book production in the Arab world is pretty miserable as well). The Arab world is the current sick man of the world.

But remember that their birth rate is very high and it is demography that ultimately shapes the world (and also the environment, but with this global warming taking place on the planet, people with darker skins will be better adapted to a new environment coming up).
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3 Jan 2017  #90

But remember that their birth rate is very high and it is demography that ultimately shapes the world

One of the big problems in the middle east is that population has exploded in the last 50 or so years and many countries have populations that are too large given the limited carrying capacity of the land.

The biggest problem is Egypt which has terrible education and about four or five times many people than it can support.




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