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Ethnic tensions erupt in Ełk, Poland



mafketis 16 | 4,027    
2 Jan 2017  #1

A 21 year old Pole, Daniel, was killed in Ełk in front of a kebab restaurant. A citizen of Tunisia has been arrested and charged with murder. There are unconfirmed reports that Daniel tried stealing drinks from the restaurant and that after he was forced to return them came back and threw a firecracker inside which led to the deadly confrontation on the street.

Some people wanted to leave candles in front of the restaurant but there were also more... aggressive protestors who began throwing stones and broke the windows of the establishment.

28 people have been detained by the police and the minister for internal affairs has stated that the murderer(s) of Daniel and those who destroyed private property will be punished.


dolnoslask 1 | 936    
2 Jan 2017  #2

@mafketis

Reading this I cannot see any racial agrevating circumstances, It looks like a thief got caught then returned with the intent of commiting arson , the worker tried to protect his business , sadly this ended with the death of daniel, looks like his friends were not happy and attacked the shop.
OP mafketis 16 | 4,027    
2 Jan 2017  #3

Reading this I cannot see any racial agrevating circumstances,

Look up the story on Polish media and then look at the comments....

"kupując kebaba osiedlasz Araba..."

(buying a kebab you're settling an Arab)
Wulkan - | 3,021    
2 Jan 2017  #4

the worker tried to protect his business

by stabbing unarmed and outnumbered 3 to 1 person?

buying a kebab you're settling an Arab

Isn't this truth? So if I choose not to buy from an Arab I'm a racist? sigh

what about the sign below, is it racist as well?

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dolnoslask 1 | 936    
2 Jan 2017  #5

by stabbing unarmed and outnumbered 3 to 1 person?

Was only going on what mafketis posted, looks like from your post that some facts may have been ommited from his article, this changes things obviously
OP mafketis 16 | 4,027    
2 Jan 2017  #6

Was only going on what mafketis posted

I purposely only published a very abbreviated version since the idiotic English only policy makes posting Polish language sources problematic.

And if people look it up on their own they'll bring different aspects out.

AFAIK only the Tunisian has been charged though other north africans from the establishment are being held.

The comments about the theft and fireworks were only found in the comments of the onet.pl story.
Crnogorac3 2 | 222    
2 Jan 2017  #7

A 21 year old Pole, Daniel, was killed in Ełk in front of a kebab restaurant. A citizen of Tunisia has been arrested and charged with murder.

This event indicates that ISIS has achieved its objective: all of us are becoming poisoned with hatred as they are.

aggressive protestors who began throwing stones and broke the windows of the establishment.

They screwed up a little. Poles are not phlegmatic Germans to suffer the violence of immigrants. No one deserves to be killed for petty theft...
Crnogorac3 2 | 222    
2 Jan 2017  #8

It looks like a thief got caught then returned with the intent of commiting arson , the worker tried to protect his business , sadly this ended with the death of daniel

There exists the police, you don't take a knife in your hands to deliver justice!
Chemikiem 4 | 866    
2 Jan 2017  #9

idiotic English only policy makes posting Polish language sources problematic.

You can post Polish sources, but you're supposed to provide a translation or summarize it as obviously not all members here read Polish.

So far there doesn't appear to be much about it in mainstream coverage, but I did find a reporting by rt.com which doesn't mention the theft, but does mention the firework.

rt.com/news/372463-polish-kebab-killing-riot

No one deserves to be killed for petty theft...

If the reports are true, then throwing a firework into someone's business premises is not just theft. That could be classified as attempted arson.

No, he didn't deserve to be stabbed to death, it is a an awful outcome, but undoubtedly this will now fuel racial tensions even more. Would the ensuing riots have occurred had that business been a Polish run one? Probably not.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,289    
2 Jan 2017  #10

Would the ensuing riots have occurred had that business been a Polish run one? Probably not.

Certainly not !
OP mafketis 16 | 4,027    
2 Jan 2017  #11

Would the ensuing riots have occurred had that business been a Polish run one? Probably not.

There has been unrest before in cases when young people have been killed by the police, so.... maybe?

So far there doesn't appear to be much about it in mainstream coverage

It's all over the mainstream media, tvn24, onet, wyborcza, etc. what you mean is the _foreign_ media.
Crnogorac3 2 | 222    
2 Jan 2017  #12

@Chemikiem

They should have called the police after the first incident and everything would be completed without major consequences. Thus, a Pole is dead, the one who murdered him is going away for long years to prison, and all the Arabs will be under constant pressure and it's difficult that they may have a life anymore in this small town ... they only had to call the police and not react to provocations with a knife to the neck.

I expect that, unlike Western Europe, Muslims may anticipate very real repercussions.
Chemikiem 4 | 866    
2 Jan 2017  #13

There has been unrest before in cases when young people have been killed by the police, so.... maybe?

Yes, but this incident doesn't involve a police killing. Obviously I can't say for sure, but racial tensions are high anyway. Go to the end of the rt.com article and read about the attack on the Indian run kebab shop in Lublin.

what you mean is the _foreign_ media.

Yes

They should have called the police after the first incident and everything would be completed without major consequences.

Yes, I agree. No-one should be taking the law into their own hands, what the attacker/s did was very clearly wrong. I am just trying to look at the situation objectively. That young man most certainly did not deserve to be stabbed to death, it is a tragedy, but he was not entirely blameless either.
After2020    
2 Jan 2017  #14

Crnogorac3 +1 Allegedly Daniel tried to steal drinks was chased off,returned and lauched a firework at the kiosk. The four workers at the kiosk did not inform the Police or the Straz,decided to take the law into their own hands,chased Daniel down and stabbed him to his death in the street.The moment the kebab workers armed themselves with knives and left thier place of work to teach Daniel a lesson, they broke the law. The Police and straz exist to guard the city and make sure citizens uphold the law. There is no justification for taking another's life, all four kebab workers need to be prosecuted for murder or accessory to murder. There can be no separate law for people because of immigrant status or because of religion. A precedence must be set otherwise you are telling everyone who work at fast food joints they have the right to kill their clients if they disrespect them.
Ironside 42 | 7,793    
2 Jan 2017  #15

Would the ensuing riots have occurred had that business been a Polish run one? Probably not.

Sure the fact people involved are Muslim added to the tension. However you might as well ask - was he likely to be stabbed if people involved weren't Muslim.? Probably not.

People just react if they think somebody had been killed for no reason. Mostly his friends and those concerned.

fuel racial tensions

If you mean anti-Muslim tension you're probably right.
RubasznyRumcajs 4 | 363    
2 Jan 2017  #16

well, there is a nice Polish saying for the act the tunisian guy did: "Wyrwać chwasta".
RubasznyRumcajs 4 | 363    
2 Jan 2017  #17

@RubasznyRumcajs

there is even a Wiki site about it: (PL)

Wiki

(sorry for post under my previous, i couldn't find edit option)
After2020    
2 Jan 2017  #18

Ironside ' However you might as well ask - was he likely to be stabbed if people involved weren't Muslim.? Probably not.' You could also ask if Daniel had been muslim and spoke Arabic - would he be alive today ? In my opinion the Polish judicial system must prosecute the alleged perpetrators of Daniels murder to the full letter of the law, irrespective of the perpetrator's ethnicity/religion/legal status. Furthermore this case in my opinion shows the need for all workers in the fast food industry to be certified to deal with the general public, the workers need to be trained in cultural competence.This case could be a very important case for the EU which could save lives in the future.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,289    
2 Jan 2017  #19

What is even more shocking in this story is the behaviour of the crowd after the incident.

- I saw a mob in front of the bar who applauded the hooligans throwing stones at the windows. The bigger the stone was, the greater was the crowd's applaud - says Bogusław Chrabota, editor of the national paper Rzeczpospolita. - It was the first time in my life I witnessed the birth of a pogrom - he added.

Despite calls from the police, 150 out of about 300 people continued to remain in the place, so police used tear gas to disperse the crowd.
Crnogorac3 2 | 222    
2 Jan 2017  #20

What is the most shocking is that some are obviously trying to justify murder.
After2020    
2 Jan 2017  #21

Ziemowit ' What is even more shocking in this story is the behaviour of the crowd after the incident.' What is the most shocking part for me some people do not seem to understand 21 year old Daniel is dead... What about his family his girlfriend/friends people who have grown up with him,his community ? They must be feeling a grave loss today.
dolnoslask 1 | 936    
2 Jan 2017  #22

I witnessed the birth of a pogrom -

I find the above more shocking, a typical libtard remark intended to flame and distract from the facts of the case, this needs to be investigated by the proper authorities before any conclusions are drawn.
RubasznyRumcajs 4 | 363    
2 Jan 2017  #23

sorry, but how else would you call it?
the suspected guy was already arrested, the mob didn't do it- police did.
mob instead attacked the place where the guy worked, ruining other people business (as the arrested did not own the place).
how do you think, what would happen if there would have happen to someone who would have a (bad) luck to be there at that time and have a darker skin color? would he be ok or would he be lynched for things that someone else has done?

chavy "patriots" can- and already do- ruin business of people who have nothing to do with the crime just because they happened to be darkies. like- ruining the restaurant owned by Hindi guy, and spraying "f*ck islam" on the walls. or spraying similar texts on historical, Tatar mosque.
Chemikiem 4 | 866    
2 Jan 2017  #24

you might as well ask - was he likely to be stabbed if people involved weren't Muslim.? Probably not.

Maybe, maybe not, had the business owner been any other nationality/religion, and thought his business, and possibly his life was under attack, which is not that unreasonable a thought if a firework gets lobbed onto your premises, who knows what anyone might do? But as I stated before, they should have called the police, not taken the law into their own hands.

this needs to be investigated by the proper authorities before any conclusions are drawn.

One of the most sensible answers on this thread. All anyone is doing here is speculating on events which are being reported differently depending on the source.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,289    
2 Jan 2017  #25

What is the most shocking part for me some people do not seem to understand 21 year old Daniel is dead...

So you think a mob applauding the hooligans throwing stones and fighting the police isn't shocking?

What about his family his girlfriend/friends people who have grown up with him, his community ?

It seems the community had serious problems with him before that. The 21-year old was summoned to the prosecutor's office four times and in 2016 he was prosecuted for robbery and issuing threats to people - the public prosecutor reveals.
After2020    
2 Jan 2017  #26

RR, you are discriminating against Daniel who was murdered, he is the victim. So in your world because he was brought before the courts and never charged- he deserved to die. Any business owner dealing with the general public have a responsibility to train their staff in cultural and safety compliance, through the actions of the Kebab workers, either they did not know the safety protocols or there was no safety protocols in place or they took the law into their own hands.
Chemikiem 4 | 866    
2 Jan 2017  #27

mob instead attacked the place where the guy worked, ruining other people business (as the arrested did not own the place).

Not just that one either, but another place owned by the same person was also trashed.
NoToForeigners 5 | 583    :-(
2 Jan 2017  #28

Daniel was murdered. The crowd acted irrationally and wrong but I am glad they did. This will make muslim scum to think twice before coming to my country.

All in all I prefer to be called racist if that's the price for keeping murdering savages out.
NoToForeigners 5 | 583    :-(
2 Jan 2017  #29

A little update about prosecutors work in progress.

Another person has been charged with murder of Daniel. It's a citizen of Algeria. So both Tunisian and Algerian are charged.
RubasznyRumcajs 4 | 363    
2 Jan 2017  #30

Daniel was murdered. The crowd acted irrationally and wrong but I am glad they did. This will make muslim scum to think twice before coming to my country.

so far- he was the scum who got killed. people react only because the suspects' religion- if that Sebix would be knifed by a fellow chav nobody would care, there would be no topic on PF nor the mob would gather. simple as that.

(edited as two people are now suspected and charged with it)




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