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How much Poland's economy grew up since 1989?


Vlad123 7 | 204
10 Dec 2012  #1
Is there some statistics on how much Polish manufacturing/agricultural output grew up since 1989?
Could somebody give typical example of salaries in Poland (engineers,workers or any other) before
1989 and now?Examples of prices and lifestyles as well?
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
10 Dec 2012  #3
Thanks.Maybe there is something from personal experience and observations too?
milky 13 | 1,657
10 Dec 2012  #4
The Lublin region had the lowest per capita GDP in the European Union until Bulgaria and Romania joined in 2007 (it was 32% of EU average in 2002). It is a part of eastern Poland, which has benefited less from the economic transformation after 1989 than regions of Poland located closer to Western Europe. While the standard of living in the city of Lublin is considerably higher than in the surrounding countryside, the city's relatively poor economic performance is tied to the poverty of its region.

Going by population, looks pretty bad



OP Vlad123 7 | 204
11 Dec 2012  #5
I wonder how polish economy could grow so fast (even in crisis time) while they have so many unemployed?
I thought that at unemployment rate 12-20% economy could only stagnate.There seems to be no sense to increase
salaries,unemployment will only depress salaries growth.No growth of salaries = no consumption growth = no economy
growth.Or it is growing just for account of the richest consumption?It seems strange to me...
Well,during 2003-2004 unemployment was constantly at 19-20%.In 2012 it didn`t went lower then 12.3%.And other years
also very high.How economy could grow under such conditions is mystery to me.
milky 13 | 1,657
11 Dec 2012  #6
[quote=Vlad123]How economy could grow under such conditions is mistery to me.[/qu
Mass emigration since 2004 along with the billions sent home by them every year, Billions in EU grants.
Polish workers in Britain have sent home £23billion in the past seven years, an official report revealed last night.
Amounting to more than £3billion a year,
Polish immigrants in Ireland have sent home an astonishing $7.5billion in wages since they arrived to work at the height of the Celtic Tiger boom seven years ago.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
11 Dec 2012  #7
This is a good start, it should give you the information you are looking for: indexmundi.com/poland

How economy could grow under such conditions is mistery to me

It's no mystery, Poland has a lot of spare capacity, and normal trend growth for the country in benign economic circumstances is between 4.5 -5% of Real GDP. This should continue for about 10 years after the economic crisis, then it's likely to fall to around 3.5 -4%.

In regards to employment, this should be helpful: "In terms of employment, 59% of people aged 15 to 64 in Poland have a paid job, lower than the OECD employment average of 66%. Some 66% of men are in paid work, compared with 53% of women. People in Poland work 1939 hours a year, more than most people in the OECD who work 1749 hours. Approximately 7% of employees work very long hours, slightly lower than the OECD average of 9%, with 11% of men working very long hours compared with just 3% for women. "
Ironside 48 | 9,704
11 Dec 2012  #8
how much Polish manufacturing/agricultural output grew up since 1989?

What? rather become less!
jon357 63 | 14,122
11 Dec 2012  #9
No, GDP is hugely up. Perhaps you'd prefer to return to factories producing things that nobody wants to buy and staying open even if they make a loss.
Ironside 48 | 9,704
11 Dec 2012  #10
No, GDP is hugely up.

He didn't ask about GDP! He asked about things that are made and produced in Poland and those are significantly less.

Perhaps you'd prefer to return to factories producing things that nobody wants to buy and staying open even if they make a loss.

Perhaps you would like to tell me what I think or what I should think - ain't happening!
Not all factories were like that, not even majority and given proper care and time to readjust would be able to compete on the world market no bro! Fairy stories fed to masses you can put into a tin can and label it - do not open for Ironside!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
11 Dec 2012  #11
One thing is output, quite different one is where the profits go...
berni23 7 | 379
11 Dec 2012  #12
Not all factories were like that, not even majority and given proper care and time to readjust would be able to compete on the world market no bro!

LOL Sice you luv links so much:
"In a system which until now never has used profit and losses, economists say that creating a free market would mean closing half of Poland's inefficient factories. Few governments would be willing to go so far, and certainly not a communist one lacking legitimacy."

csmonitor.com/1989/0719/opole.html
And the source in Christian Science Monitor. :D
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
11 Dec 2012  #13
"In a system which until now never has used profit and losses, economists say that creating a free market would mean closing half of Poland's inefficient factories. Few governments would be willing to go so far, and certainly not a communist one lacking legitimacy."

oh yeah 1989, the heyday of Polish manufactory, when the whole world was clamoring for the exquisite stuff with Made In Poland stamped on it.
Zibi - | 336
11 Dec 2012  #14
What? rather become less!

Are you that much detached from polish realities, Ironside?
Ironside 48 | 9,704
11 Dec 2012  #15
Are you claiming that Poland produces more than in 1989.

And the source in Christian Science Monitor. :D

Economy had nothing to do with it! Politics at play that all!

Why you all so defensive? I have only answered his qestion!
berni23 7 | 379
11 Dec 2012  #16
Why you all so defensive?

Nobody is defensive, just pointing out your baseless statements as usual.
Ironside 48 | 9,704
11 Dec 2012  #17
Why baseless/ do you have any data to the contrary? If not I can call your statements baseless with impunity.

Polish manufacturing/agricultural output grew up since 1989?

I have provided correct answer to that qestion, unfortunately I don't have any statistic at my disposal.
So far all of you haven't been abler to answer the OP qestion.
instead you all are talking on how ineffective communist's factories were - i disagree but it is not the subject of this thread!
If you can provide an opinion or a sources on quantity factories production than you are game, if not you are off-topic - as usual!
berni23 7 | 379
11 Dec 2012  #18
If not I can call your statements baseless with impunity.

You can do whatever you like, i am too tired to discus your obvious mistakes with you over and over.
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
11 Dec 2012  #19
Is there some signs that Poland becomes manufacturing powerhorse?Or will become such in nearest decades?
If yes,what exacly does it produce or will produce?
Ironside 48 | 9,704
11 Dec 2012  #20
your obvious mistakes with you over and over.

and that is what I call a baseless statement!
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
11 Dec 2012  #21
Is there some signs that Poland becomes manufacturing powerhorse?Or will become such in nearest decades?
If yes,what exacly does it produce or will produce?

Well, it is referred to as Europe's China when it comes production. I don't have the data at hand as it is something I had picked up from a debate program on Danish radio. Poland produces something like 90% of domestic appliances, 75% percent of flat screens (regardless of brand) for the European market. Some really astounding number of cars, not mention all kinds car and machinery parts. (I really need to dig up that podcast but numbers were certainly impressive). But the challenge isn't really in being production powerhouse. What Poland needs to do is move on from being production based economy to service economy with research and innovation in focus, but that is long ways off. One can always find a cheaper place to produce, and here Poland's saving grace is the close proximity to Germany. Right now the challenge for Poland is the industry/education coordination.
Zibi - | 336
11 Dec 2012  #22
I would recommend acquiring "rocznik statystyczny". It's available online as well.
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
11 Dec 2012  #23
Poland produces something like 90% of domestic appliances, 75% percent of flat screens (regardless of brand) for the European market.

Those flat screens and appliances receive label ``made in Poland`` on them?Or what kind of label?
Zibi - | 336
12 Dec 2012  #24
Who knows, go to your local store in Russian Ukraine and check it out.
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
12 Dec 2012  #25
hose flat screens and appliances receive label ``made in Poland`` on them?Or what kind of label?

all the major ones, they just get produced/assembled in Poland. Simply put, if you a buy a flat screen of any kind in Europe, there is 75% chance it's got "Made in Poland' on it. As for washing machines, dishwashers etc. (domestic appliances) it's 90% chance.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
12 Dec 2012  #26
google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:POL&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=poland+gdp

Polands economy has grow about 400% since 1989, from less than 100billion to 500billion dollars (2011 dollars)

Why baseless/ do you have any data to the contrary? If not I can call your statements baseless with impunity.

10 seconds with google would show your complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

He didn't ask about GDP! He asked about things that are made and produced in Poland and those are significantly less.

GDP is the sum, total of EVERYTHING made and produced in Poland, GDP=Gross Domestic Product measured in USD.

A 400% increase means Poland produces five times as much than it did in 1989, this is a lot more. Can you count to 5, Ironside or should I explain that?
Ironside 48 | 9,704
12 Dec 2012  #27
GDP is the sum, total of EVERYTHING made and produced in Poland, GDP=Gross Domestic Product measured in USD.

The total market value of all final goods and services produced in a country in a given year, equal to total consumer, investment and government spending, plus the value of exports, minus the value of imports.

It doesn't answer the OP qestion! That particular qestion about production!
Given the fact that gov spends a lot of money on bureaucracy and a fact many services didn't existed before 1989, what Poland produces is a darn a good qestion!

Polands economy has grow about 400% since 1989, from less than 100billion to 500billion dollars (2011 dollars)

Really?

I would recommend acquiring "rocznik statystyczny". It's available online as well.

That more like it! However I don't really care but OP could use it to his benefit!
What I would like-to see however - a book presenting step by step transformation in Polish economy from 1989 to about 2000, giving examples of closed factories and what was there to replace it!

Can you count to 5, Ironside or should I explain that?

Can you?
Zibi - | 336
12 Dec 2012  #28
giving examples of closed factories and what was there to replace it!

Come to Poland Ironside and see for yourself. There aren't that many closed factories to my knowledge. And by the way, are you for example aware that one local company (polish owned to my knowledge) named PESA has recently signed a 5 billion PLN contract to supply trains to Deutsche Bahn over next to years.
jon357 63 | 14,122
12 Dec 2012  #29
He didn't ask about GDP! He asked about things that are made and produced in Poland and those are significantly less.

You do know what GDP is about? Or do you?

Not all factories were like that, not even majority and given proper care and time to readjust would be able to compete on the world market no bro!

Tosh. Most of he ones that weren't taken over and dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world failed.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
12 Dec 2012  #30
You do know what GDP is about? Or do you?

He apparently has no clue, but plenty of opinions to back it up.


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