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Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story?


peterweg 36 | 2,316
2 May 2012 #181
Let's hope that I'm wrong.

Hey, feel free to make up whatever you like. Ignore Poland and EU statisticians, analysts and maths and invent your own reality as you see fit.

This way you will be right.

How old are you btw?
sascha 1 | 826
2 May 2012 #182
Hey, feel free to make up whatever you like. Ignore Poland and EU statisticians, analysts and maths and invent your own reality as you see fit.

with your theory poland is the ONLY country where the economy booms? right? bail out greece, spain, ireland, hungaryn struggles, slovakia, netherlands are so so same like france etc.

how is that possible?

poland=wonderland according to you?

btw, the unemployment rate in eu rose in average to 10,9%. what about poland, peter?

How old are you btw?

what does that matter? a little cynical maybe? ;)
TheOther 5 | 3,872
2 May 2012 #183
How old are you btw?

Old enough to be your dad, long enough in business to kick your hairy butt... :)
Natasa 1 | 580
2 May 2012 #184
TheOther you got the attitude ; )

German, without unreasonable doubts.....
TheOther 5 | 3,872
2 May 2012 #185
German, without unreasonable doubts.

:)

Sorry to disappoint you, Natasa, but I'm from Oz (with some German ancestors though...).
Natasa 1 | 580
2 May 2012 #186
No disappointment at all, centuries pressing from the genome are all that matters ; )
sascha 1 | 826
2 May 2012 #187
lets listen or better read what an expert has to say, of course on the global level, because also poland belongs to it...

Chris Hedges | The Implosion of Capitalism

"When civilizations start to die they go insane. Let the ice sheets in the Arctic melt. Let the temperatures rise. Let the air, soil and water be poisoned. Let the forests die. Let the seas be emptied of life. Let one useless war after another be waged...."

truth-out.org/opinion/item/8808-when-civilizations-die
TheOther 5 | 3,872
2 May 2012 #188
centuries pressing from the genome are all that matters

I'm a precious mix: Polish, German, Dutch... ;)
Natasa 1 | 580
2 May 2012 #189
How do you feel when west friesisch and north Friesisch selves start to struggle inside plus one Polish self joins the party? :)
is it slavic vs germanic type of division or is it just fun? :))

I hope you are not prone to dissociations! I assessed that you are not , you seem balanced, otherwise I am behaving unethically, ouch.
TheOther 5 | 3,872
2 May 2012 #190
is it slavic vs germanic type of division

No division, no dissociation - we all get along very well... :)
peterweg 36 | 2,316
3 May 2012 #191
Old enough to be your dad, long enough in business to kick your hairy butt... :)

Under 20? It was a serious question, not an insult.

with your theory poland is the ONLY country where the economy booms? right? bail out greece, spain, ireland, hungaryn struggles, slovakia, netherlands are so so same like france etc.

Polands economic growth is irrelevant to other countries growth and employment rate. This thread is about Poland.

Poland's wages are low and unemployment are high; thats perfect for growth. If you are coming here looking for a high paid job, you don't are missing the point...

No disappointment at all, centuries pressing from the genome are all that matters ; )

:)
sascha 1 | 826
3 May 2012 #192
Polands economic growth is irrelevant to other countries growth and employment rate. This thread is about Poland.

yes and economically poland is an island of growth...hahahahaha

Poland's wages are low and unemployment are high; thats perfect for growth

yes, thats why they chase foreign investments...what kind of logic is that?

in 1929 in germany wages were low and unemployment very high and it ended up in ww2 ;)
peterweg 36 | 2,316
3 May 2012 #193
yes, thats why they chase foreign investments...what kind of logic is that?

That sums up your understanding of the realities of economics. I'm getting a impression that you are a real commie, dope smoking, hippy.

Fair enough, but that economic model doesn't work. Look at the two ex-communist countries China and Russia.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
3 May 2012 #194
Poland's wages are low and unemployment are high; thats perfect for growth.

haha, i guess when you're on the bottom it only leaves room to go up.
sascha 1 | 826
3 May 2012 #195
That sums up your understanding of the realities of economics. I'm getting a impression that you are a real commie, dope smoking, hippy.

Fair enough, but that economic model doesn't work. Look at the two ex-communist countries China and Russia.

peterle, when 2!! people tell you that your 'theory' is wrong and i am sure there are more... don't you think it's time to review what is your 'idea'?

btw, your insults are really funny.
have you some kind of complex in regard to russia and china?

haha, i guess when you're on the bottom it only leaves room to go up.

yeah, they made a song in the 80's. "the only way is up" ;)
TheOther 5 | 3,872
3 May 2012 #196
Under 20? It was a serious question, not an insult.

I wasn't kidding.
milky 13 | 1,657
8 May 2012 #197
Read this, and tell me Poland is booming: szczecinian.eu/index.php/2012/02/how-much-do-szczecinians-and-poles-earn/

we would like to make any international comparisons, here are the gross monthly earnings of teachers taken from selected countries:

Poland: 2,811 PLN, 562 GBP, 885 USD, 672 EUR

Germany: 17,095 PLN, 3,395 GBP, 5,371 USD, 4,088 EUR

United Kingdom: 13,795 PLN, 2,769 GBP, 4,364 USD, 3,321 EUR

United States: 16,761 PLN, 3,329 GBP, 5,266 USD, 4, 007 EUR.

The compulsory deductions, (tax, social insurance) for each country are as follows:

Poland 32%, Germany 35%, United Kingdom 29% and the United States 32%.

This gives each nation a net salary (after deductions in PLN) for teachers as follows:

Poland 1,911 zł, Germany 11,632 zł, United Kingdom 9,794 zł and the United States 12,906 zł

source worldsalaries.org

The minimum monthly salary in the United Kingdom is 1,000 GBP, 5,000 PLN - and in Poland 1,405 PLN, 279.12 GBP
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
8 May 2012 #198
Poland 1,911 zł,

which is high compared to my Polish friends teaching in public schools in Poland (they clear around 1500) but i guess your data includes university level bringing up the average.

i'd clean houses or pick fruit abroad before I worked full time with papers to grade/lesson planning at home for 1500zl/month. 5 years of uni to get a "magister" so you can earn a pittance.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
8 May 2012 #199
Read this, and tell me Poland is booming

Current wage levels have no relevance to the fact that the economy is growing. Wages are growing to, that the definition of economic growth.

Similarly, tax rates are irrelevant.
sascha 1 | 826
8 May 2012 #200
so, to put it on the point. polands economy os booming but germany is very probably facing a recession. how come?

poland miracolous country or just bs?
peterweg 36 | 2,316
8 May 2012 #201
poland miracolous country or just bs?

Then Poland's growth will slow, to an extent. Its not magic.

How much we will have to see.
sascha 1 | 826
8 May 2012 #202
when one of biggest economy powers of the world faces recession, poland's growth will halt, stop. no slowing down how bad as it sounds...
TheOther 5 | 3,872
8 May 2012 #203
Poland has shale gas and will be the next economic superpower, as we all know. When her main trading partner goes into recession, it will by no means influence the Polish economy. Poland is an island and as such immune to any negative factors from the outside. Polish people stay in the country because they love to work for slave wages. Poland is booming while the rest of the world's economies is in trouble. Don't you know that? ;)
sascha 1 | 826
8 May 2012 #204
Poland is booming while the rest of the world's economies is in trouble. Don't you know that? ;)

;)

spiegel.de/international/europe/euro-struggles-can-be-traced-to-origins-of-common-currency-a-831842.html

"Newly revealed German government documents reveal that many in Helmut Kohl's Chancellery had deep doubts about a European common currency when it was introduced in 1998. First and foremost, experts pointed to Italy as being the euro's weak link. The early shortcomings have yet to be corrected..."
peterweg 36 | 2,316
8 May 2012 #205
Duh. Everybody knew the problems of the Euro but some choose to ignore it.

It was not just 'Italy', but the fundamental structure that didn't have a escape valve of variable interest rates and central bank to manage the different economies and transfer funds between countries.

The political class in the UK are looking at Euro members, Germany in particular, as self-deluded fantasists. Pathetic.
TheOther 5 | 3,872
8 May 2012 #206
The political class in the UK are looking at Euro members, Germany in particular, as self-deluded fantasists. Pathetic.

What else can they do? The Brits are somewhat isolated and the rest of Europe believes that their politicians are simply a nuisance like a feckin horsefly.

Everybody knew the problems of the Euro but some choose to ignore it.

The ones who really pushed for the Euro were not the Germans, but the French (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_euro#Relaunch). I vaguely remember the headlines in the French newspapers which were celebrating the introduction of the Euro as a new Treaty of Versailles. Nobody in Germany (and some other countries of the Euro zone) were asked if they actually wanted the new currency or not.
milky 13 | 1,657
8 May 2012 #207
Current wage levels have no relevance to the fact that the economy is growing.

Perhaps, but booming It 100% isn't. Its still a black-hole in comparison to most of Europe.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
8 May 2012 #208
So you are saying that Poland's economic growth is far less that the rest of Europe?

Are you claiming Poland is in recession and the rest of Europe has a growing economy?
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
8 May 2012 #209
The Brits are somewhat isolated and the rest of Europe believes that their politicians are simply a nuisance like a feckin horsefly.

Isolated? We're and Island :) We have the same number of MEP seats as France we are the 4th largest contibutor (13.5%) (Poland contribute 1.5% - just to put it into perspective!) we have given £14 billion for the bail out of the PIGS because of a currency we dont have and dont want...so Id say we are slightly more significant that what you are making out...

As for Poland being a success story...ripples in the pond...it's a matter of time...
TheOther 5 | 3,872
8 May 2012 #210
Current wage levels have no relevance to the fact that the economy is growing.

In every country around the world investors are attracted by low wages (amongst other factors), but not so in Poland according to our "forum economist"... ;)

Isolated? We're and Island :)

I meant your politicians...


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