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Die Welt-Poland and Germany are the economic driving force of Europe


PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
16 Jan 2011 #121
GW, it's going to affect me and you and every other American, possibly worldwide markets. It's a serious matter! You should forget about your "lols" and seriously consider what it means...
guesswho 4 | 1,289
16 Jan 2011 #122
it's not even about that PP, he was talking about China, the USA wasn't even in the picture so what was the reason for you to change the subject like that if not the fact that you despise (saying nicely) the US?

Just be a "man" and finally admit it. Listen, no one will be hatting you for your opinion. You don't need to love America but don't say that you care and then your actions show something else.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
16 Jan 2011 #123
it's not even about that PP, he was talking about China, the USA wasn't even in the picture so what was the reason for you to change the subject like that if not the fact that you despise (saying nicely) the US?

It's probably going to have an impact on China, gw, if you would bother to look thru something besides tunnel vision. It most likely will impact global markets. It's something to think about now, before it happens, instead of being surprised when it does...
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
16 Jan 2011 #124
Btw. Do you guys have Baptists in the UK?

Well,as a simplification,maybe,but those vocal types tend to be insulting to all organised religion,I doubt many of them have set foot in a Protestant church either.

The most vocal on the mainland tend to be Scots from certain areas,I dont get it myself but its there....
Yes,we have Baptists,of all shades, half a mile from me now is a 11th century Church,in its time its been Catholic then changed in the reformation to Protestant,a little further away is a Methodist chapel,one of the oldest as Methodism started 8 miles from here, in the main town of the area you have quite a few catholic churches,baptist,church of england,church of scotland,Sihk gudwaras(temples) muslim mosques,anabaptist places,seventh day adventists and a scattering of "african" evangelical churches as well as a Quaker meeting hall,a couple of Jeahovahs witness halls and a large Mormon church......so,yep,pretty well cover all basis in the UK re religion(oh,yes,theres some jewish temples about 30 miles away)
guesswho 4 | 1,289
16 Jan 2011 #125
It's probably going to have an impact on China, gw, if you would bother to look thru something besides tunnel vision.

Look I'm posting links (many) to prove that we all are in trouble to show that it's not just an American phenomenon while you strictly concentrate on the US like there's nobody else in the world going through the same hell. Who's got the tunnel vision now PP?

The area where I live it's mainly all about the Baptists and the Methodists but mainly the Baptists.
sascha 1 | 826
16 Jan 2011 #126
It most likely will impact global markets. It's something to think about now, before it happens, instead of being surprised when it does...

If you can aford it buy gold. That's always a good investment. Who knows which currency will be the 'healty' and 'dominant' one in the next couple of months, years... ;-)
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
16 Jan 2011 #127
If you can aford it buy gold.

Gold or some other commodity everyone needs...

gw, I am not just focusing on America. We need to get our own house in order before worrying about everyone else's.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
16 Jan 2011 #128
gw, I am not just focusing on America.

so why did you suddenly change the subject when no one was talking about the US?
Hey, it doesn't matter, you're entitled to love or hate whoever you want, just be open about it.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
16 Jan 2011 #129
so why did you suddenly change the subject when no one was talking about the US?

I was wondering if those two are related, China crisis and US mortgage resets. It's known to insiders as "ripple through economics".
jwojcie 2 | 763
17 Jan 2011 #130
Where's Poland in imports in this one? :

I hate taking data from different sites, they might not even be talking about the same thing, is there a history of Germany's export/import partners somewhere?

Hm... it seems that source of your graphic is here:

They have cool map/graphic here with three years history: ims.destatis.de/aussenhandel/Default.aspx

In German, but still informative.
George8600 10 | 636
17 Jan 2011 #131
This is all you need for global economic statistics really: data.worldbank.org/data-catalog

Here, I've set it up for you:

I selected Poland and Germany and now you select what indicators in what categories you want to compare them in.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,436
18 Jan 2011 #132
Hm... it seems that source of your graphic is here:

What Russia is not a top import or export partner of Germany?
jwojcie 2 | 763
18 Jan 2011 #133
Why so surprised? geography matters. Even Poland is bigger trade partner for Germany than Russia. But I understand that popular view about it is somehow different because of:

- they sell resources -> important
- when the sell resources then those are big deals in TV in prime time with prime ministers
- they have big luxury market...
Marek11111 9 | 816
18 Jan 2011 #134
Russians has Europe in a corner with a gas pipeline and it is going to use the fact mafia style.
sascha 1 | 826
18 Jan 2011 #135
going to use the fact mafia style.

They are just going to use the given opportunity which is in their hands. That doesn't have anything to do with 'mafia style'. Simple equasion of who has the power.
Marek11111 9 | 816
19 Jan 2011 #136
all governments are like mafia, you pay taxes you will not go to jail.
banks defrauded tax payer they have to give cut to fed. gov. no jail time.
Power isn't everything, it's the only thing.
sascha 1 | 826
19 Jan 2011 #137
Correct.
I was trying to avoid with my comment, that 'mafia style' is an exclusive Russian thing, though the label for that was given to them by the West whose 'mafia style' is in difference to the Russian maybe just more 'silky'... ;-)
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Jan 2011 #138
all governments are like mafia

That's not true about our government. It might not be the best right now but it's far from being mafia like. More like it's is too close to big business but not like the mafia.
Marek11111 9 | 816
19 Jan 2011 #139
ok PlasticPole stop paying taxes see how it is going to work out for you.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Jan 2011 #140
You have to pay taxes everywhere. Paying taxes in the US isn't so bad. You get plenty in return compared to other countries. It could be much worse. I hope it doesn't get worse because there are people who are trying to take us in that direction right now. They want to raise taxes on the middle class while cutting all the budgets for everything, roads, schools, etc.
Marek11111 9 | 816
19 Jan 2011 #141
That is why I said all governments are like mafia, you pay taxes you will not go to jail.
In Europe you pay taxes but you get universal healthcare so you do not die from minor illness.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Jan 2011 #142
Mafia is worse because they throw you in the river with little cement blocks attached to your ankles.
Babinich 1 | 455
19 Jan 2011 #143
In Europe you pay taxes but you get universal healthcare

Please define universal health care... Specifically, what is so universal about the care?
Marek11111 9 | 816
19 Jan 2011 #144
Specifically, what is so universal about the care?

the doctor fee is payed by government
Babinich 1 | 455
19 Jan 2011 #145
A question and a hypothetical if you don't mind...

Are you saying a person paying into universal medical system has unlimited access to a provider?

~~~

So when a patient, and elderly patient, in a universal medical care system is diagnosed with cancer and needs a PET scan the European government providing such care picks up the tab?

How long does that patient have to wait for the modality?
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
19 Jan 2011 #146
So when a patient, and elderly patient, in a universal medical care system is diagnosed with cancer and needs a PET scan the European government providing such care picks up the tab?

Simply put,yes. The elderly patient,unless they are a newcomer to this country has paid all their life into a national insurence scheme,but even those who havnt paid or as much dont get turned away .

How long does that patient have to wait for the modality?

A lot less time than an old person or young person struggling to raise the money to pay for it.
Its not perfect,but thats why we have the choice to go private here,but I still prefer it to the idea of being turned away for treatment because some buisness doesnt see me as viable.

Its got to be said I was surprised to hear that a pole suggested in the US that Doctors were the 2nd most hated proffesion,im not sure if it was after lawyers or realters(sp).certainly thats far from the case in any country where Doctors arnt in medicine to make big money but are in it to do good on the whole.
Marek11111 9 | 816
19 Jan 2011 #147
i know Italian health system has base system that provides the care then you can buy privet insurance to supplement. Lets say that you are need to stay in hospital if you have a base system you will share room with one or two people and if you have supplemental then you can get privet room in the same hospital and the same doctor.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Jan 2011 #148
How much would supplimental cost? The problem isn't health insurance, it's the cost of health care...
A couple of ways to make it cheaper:

1. More lower paying positions like Certified Nurses Aides instead of RNs, LPNs, MDs and DOs.

2. More volunteers, like nuns. They used to do a lot of the nursing chores for free.
Marek11111 9 | 816
19 Jan 2011 #149
the solution is single payer, no more profit for not providing care.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
19 Jan 2011 #150
You mean pay as you go? What about if you need expensive tests? Prescriptions? Procedures? You will have some enormous bills that way...

Oh, I forgot, another way to lower costs. The most important one! Cut the pay of all the administrators ;)
That alone will make it a lot cheaper.


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