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Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?


delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2016 #1,111
How many of the 38 million Poles do you know personally to come to that conclusion, and how far right do these people stand politically?

He's basing his opinion on a handful of Polonia that post on here, nothing more.

And I have ask them in private.

I must admit, it's rather amusing to watch you admit to discussing homosexuality with people on the internet. Time to get out of that closet, methinks.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
6 May 2016 #1,112
For sure, Delph, to base one's "opinion" upon a handful of people from Polonia just as some here just on YouTube BS, is really "serious" ;) "lol". Yes, Johnny who has NEVER been to Poland and who does NOT speak a word of Polish has a couple of Polish penpals (I imagine the bigotted buraki from some obscure one pig sh@@@hole ;)) so he is a real "expert" on Polish things just like Levi who has NEVER been to Western Europe because all his visas were (fortunately) denied is a real "expert" on European affairs and who should keep his anti-Muslim tribune for his Muslim employers and like Mafketis who has NEVER been to France and does NOT speak French is also a real "expert" on French affairs....

What a bunch of jerks! How can they be taken seriously????? It would be just like me talking about the breeding of snakes in New Guinea or growing pineapples in Cuba....

Johnny and others: stick to what you PERSONALLY have experienced if you want to be a tiny bit credible!

Oh boy!!!! What Mickey Mouse "experts"!!!!!!!!!!! "lol"!

I understand there are quite a few crypto-gays in PF. Why not getting out of the closet? You'd feel better and be happier;)
Tictactoe
6 May 2016 #1,113
I can not understand people having a problem with someone who prefers their own sex instead of what's expected by society.

Why the hell would I care who or what someone else does !!.
smurf 39 | 1,981
6 May 2016 #1,114
I can not understand people having a problem with someone who prefers their own sex instead of what's expected by society

It's becasue they're projecting their insecurity with their own sexuality.

Anyone who 'hates gay's is really just afraid that they might be gay themselves.

A series of studies recently published in the prestigious Journal of Personality and Social Psychology found higher levels of homophobia in individuals with unacknowledged attractions to the same sex, particularly when they grew up with authoritarian parents who also held homophobic attitudes

From here: psychologytoday.com/blog/the-sexual-continuum/201204/are-homophobic-people-really-gay-and-not-accepting-it
Here's a short video about the study
youtube.com/watch?v=KOsRiH0-E6A

So, yea, there we have it, proof that homophobic people come from crappy families and are themselves a little bit gay :D :D :D
InPolska 11 | 1,821
6 May 2016 #1,115
100% sure, Smurf! Psychologists and psychiatrists have also studied reasons underneath racism, antisemitism, xenophobia etc... and they all have come to same conclusions: hating whole groups based upon their differences reveal profound psychological disorders.

People who hate whole groups of people because they are or seem different most often hate themselves in the first place.

People who hate themselves do hate others!

And as to homosexuality, it is well known that the harshest anti-homosexuals are crypto homosexuals themselves.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,609
6 May 2016 #1,116
He's basing his opinion on a handful of Polonia that post on here, nothing more.

I understand there are quite a few crypto-gays in PF. Why not getting out of the closet?

What are you basing your opinion on here, InPolska?

like Mafketis who has NEVER been to France and does NOT speak French is also a real "expert" on French affairs....

I have been to France (only once) and I also speak French (be it with mistakes). Am I a real "EXPERT" on French affairs?
Tictactoe
6 May 2016 #1,117
Am not really sure about the video, it kind of points just as bad a finger as those who point the finger in the first place.

There have been medical studies in to why people find the same sex attractive and confirmed that the shape of the brain is different, or mostly has very similar traits to that of the opposite sex. So in theory God created them, if you should believe in God.

As for religion. Yes it states " no man shall lie with another " but that's Gods book, let him judge not you. You just make sure you live your life and don't commit sin as the 10 commandments tell man if you believe in the words of the book so much.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
6 May 2016 #1,118
@Ziemo: what I'm saying is that 1. a lot (= if not all) fierce antihomos are usually crypto homos ;) and 2. when someone has no personal knowledge of something (no matter what) and claims they are "experts" simply because they have read something in some bs tabloid or watch some crap in YouTube, sorry, this is not "serious". It reminds me of kids who have never tasted a given food and who claim they don't like it ;).

I personally don't talk about what I don't personally know of. If I am able to talk about Poland (if I get the thing right, the Forum is about Poland, isn't it???), it is because I live in Poland and am family connected thereto but of course I don't claim I am an expert re Polish matters ;) but of course I know more about Poland than someone who has never been here (logical ;) and living here I have a good idea of what local life is all about). When you read, for instance, Levy, who has NEVER been to Western Europe (as he was denied visas, I understand his frustration) and tries to tell us (who happen to know from experience) how it is over there (Mafketis acts the same re France) as they rely on biased random crap found on the net and NOT on PERSONAL experience. Don't tell me this is serious and shows a big "intelligence"!!!). Their hate is also UNrational and subject to pyschology/psychiatry (just like the anti-homos ;)) and it reminds me of Hitler's hatred for Jews, which could have come from traumatism when a child (well, I don't want to develop about his family life ;;). This is NOT normal in the true sense of the word to hate whole groups of people. Well, anyway, best not to waste time on jerks ;)

Well, hatred of others like we read so often here show psychogical disorders...

Well, anyway, there are enough decent and intelligent people in PF and also PF is not real life ;))
johnny reb 18 | 3,771
6 May 2016 #1,119
like we read so often here show psychogical disorders...

You mean the abnormal homosexuals.
InPolska, does this describe you by any chance ?

all of them unbelievers, all of them ex-pats to Poland, all of them try to convince the P.F. that the Polish people accept such ilk

How about this one ?

which blew their pat answer of, "you don't live here, you have never been here so how would you know", out of the water.

Your pat repley again and again and again that is meaningless.

Yes, Johnny who has NEVER been to Poland and who does NOT speak a word of Polish

You really should get some new material.

Johnny and others: stick to what you PERSONALLY have experienced if you want to be a tiny bit credible!

Better idea, accept the fact that you are a ex-pat in a foreign Christian country and want to change their culture with immorality from the Godless country you come from.

You really should stop promoting your personal beliefs in Poland and do as the Poles do or go back home.
I have yet to talk to a Polish person in America or in Poland that approves of the LGBTLMNOP's.
It's very nice that you live in Warsaw however your self authoritive opinion holds no more water then mine.
The last thing the Polish people want is to chance their culture to be like France. Ewww !
Now go feed your chickens.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
6 May 2016 #1,120
@Johnny: just get out of your closet! I suppose you hate gays because they had the courage to get out of their closets whereas you don't:).
Ziemowit 12 | 3,609
6 May 2016 #1,121
ohnny: just get out of your closet!

What a funny idea to suggest that he is a closeted gay. You, InPolska, don't like Polish customs, you are rather unhappy about living in Poland, you reproach Poland in many aspects. Why should I tell you that you are a closeted Pole?
johnny reb 18 | 3,771
6 May 2016 #1,122
I picture her as a wide bottom with a very sour look on her face suffering from heavy depression.
Now take a woman that wears a blue shirt with pockets and rolled up sleeves that chops her own wood while wearing muddy boots and army pants and drinks beer right out of the bottle......now that excites me but pansy fem limp wristed ma ma funny boys just are not my cup of tea.

So if anyone is hiding in the closet one would think it may be FeFe herself.
R U 1 ?
AdrianK9 6 | 369
6 May 2016 #1,123
Psychologists and psychiatrists have also studied reasons underneath racism, antisemitism, xenophobia etc...

Psychologists also state that transsexualism is a mental disorder. Transsexualism is viewed as psychopathological and is listed as a mental illness in the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, under the term "Gender Identity Disorder" (GID)

Look, in Poland it is legal for gays to have sex and to have civil unions. Most Poles DO NOT like gays and DO NOT want gays to marry. Poland is very conservative and very Catholic hence most people believe that marraige is reserved for a man and woman. I've posted the link many times - according to various surveys, Poles aren't accepting of gays as neighbors, bosses, coworkers, with highest opposition 75-80%+ towards gay teachers, priests, and nannies. Here is a summary - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Poland

They have rights - but the fact is most Polish people do not like gays. This isn't the US, England, or France where people aren't grossed out by gays holding hands in public and making out or allow gay people to get married. Thank goodness at least the Polish society hasn't gone total libtard. If you want gay marraige and gay rights - go to the west - we don't want gay culture and propaganda in Poland.

Polish President Andrzej Duda of the Law and Justice Party shattered the hopes of transgender people, by vetoing a bill which would have granted them legal gender recognition. GOOD!

Party leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski has claimed previously that "the affirmation of homosexuality will lead to the downfall of civilisation" - while officials have also compared homosexuality to "paedophilia, necrophilia and zoophilia", stating that "this kind of behaviour, just like alcoholism and drug abuse should not be promoted".EXACTLY!

pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/26/anti-gay-polish-party-secures-election-victory

Most Poles identify with statements like these... We'll allow gay people to have sex in the privacy of their homes and even get civil unions - but marriage and recognizing transistors is off the table

Here's an article that describes 'What It's Like To Be Gay In Poland'
slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/07/16/gay_in_poland_what_s_it_like.html
In 2007, Robert Biedron, who at the time was president of the Campaign Against Homophobia, known in Polish as KPH, said, "It's impossible for gays to be themselves in Poland."

More than 90 percent of Poles belong to the church, and it enjoys "almost complete control over legislation concerning social issues" including sex ed in schools, abortion, and same-sex unions.

Take your fags and transistors to the west - Poland is the place for conservative Catholics who have real family values and believe that marriage is for a man and a woman, Adam and Even not Adam and Steve. We do not promote sickening, deviant behaviors.



delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2016 #1,124
@Johnny: just get out of your closet! I suppose you hate gays because they had the courage to get out of their closets whereas you don't:).

It's probably like that old school playground game, where you say to girls "I HATE YOU!" while actually meaning "I want to kiss you".

Certainly one has to wonder why Johnny is talking "in private" about homosexuality with other men. It's pretty obvious that he's in deep denial about something, isn't it?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 May 2016 #1,125
KOD

KOD LEADER KIJOWSKI CHICKENED OUT!
KOD's hipster leader Mateusz Kijowski pulled a no-show when he learnt he would get pitted against two-fisted nationalist activist Marian Kowalski in the TVP studio. TVP goes to great pains to provide viewers with two or more sides of every controversial issue, Kowalski likened all of KOD's noisy street protests to "the squealings of pigs deprived of their trough."
AdrianK9 6 | 369
6 May 2016 #1,126
Mateusz Kijowski

Isn't that the guy who's more concerned with what every PiS politician is doing than paying required monthly child support payments for his own kids?

Pathetic... I recall that he was arguing for mandatory vaccination of all newborns or something along those lines (regardless of parent's wishes or religious/philosophical preferences)



delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2016 #1,127
Isn't that the guy who's more concerned with what every PiS politician is doing than paying required monthly child support payments for his own kids?

Nope, it's the guy who leads a very large opposition movement. Tomorrow is going to see a huge demonstration in Warsaw.

Pathetic... I recall that he was arguing for mandatory vaccination of all newborns or something along those lines (regardless of parent's wishes or religious/philosophical preferences)

Don't worry Adrian, we already have compulsory vaccinations in Poland and the government is showing no interest whatsoever in changing the situation.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
6 May 2016 #1,128
@Delph: come on! Just realize what has just happened in London! A huge slap in the faces of fascists and what a delight! ;)
Dougpol1 33 | 3,247
6 May 2016 #1,129
I picture her

Internet bully rears his head again. Disgraceful post.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2016 #1,130
@Delph: come on! Just realize what has just happened in London! A huge slap in the faces of fascists and what a delight! ;)

... Can I admit that I haven't been paying attention? I was too busy following the Scottish election, where my party will form the government for a 3rd term :D

And yes, what a beautiful slap!
AdrianK9 6 | 369
6 May 2016 #1,131
Don't worry Adrian, we already have compulsory vaccinations in Poland and the government is showing no interest whatsoever in changing the situation.

Yes, but you can opt out and pay a fine of 2500 to 10000 Zloty. Also, an estimated 12,000 children in 2014 weren't vaxxed in Poland.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
6 May 2016 #1,132
and also a proof that all the BS we read here from fascists does NOT correspond to western European reality. What a symbol! We in western Europe are for most of us perfectly capable of living together in peace with others and London's election proves it. Only the Levy, Mafketis, Johnny Reb, Adrian and consorts cannot understand it because they refuse to look at REALITY....

The world is changeing and let's leave the racist and social misfits out!
Ironside 48 | 9,900
6 May 2016 #1,133
We in western Europe

Nobody stopping you to get out, and don't let the door to hit you on your way out!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
6 May 2016 #1,134
Yes, but you can opt out and pay a fine of 2500 to 10000 Zloty. Also, an estimated 12,000 children in 2014 weren't vaxxed in Poland.

You can opt out, but you can expect considerable pressure in society against you as well. Many doctors will simply refuse to register an unvaccinated child, for instance. It's also regarded by most people (regardless of social status) as being the kind of thing done by morons.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
6 May 2016 #1,135
look at REALITY....

Sure let's a take a look at your wonderful multi kulti utopia - here's some wonderful examples of Europeans

perfectly capable of living together in peace

REALITY....

-> Paris attacks (multiple times - not just the one this year), Brussels attack, london subway bombings, spain subway attacks, rape in Cologne during New Years eve, Muslim stabbing policewoman in Berlin, Frankfurt Airport shooting, Charlie Hebdo attacks, Jewish deli attacks, Jewish teacher stabbed in Marseille, police station attacked in Paris (just a few months ago) by a guy with a knife who was also wearing a fake explosive belt, man ramming his car into soldiers in Valence, Pakistanis raping girls women in England with the police and social workers doing nothing about it for fear that if they did they'd be called 'racist,' stabbings in Nice, Thalys Train attack, Dijon attack where a guy ran over 11 people with his car, murder of British soldier Lee Rigby, Jewish Museum shot up in Belgium, the shootings in Copenhagen by ISIS dude, Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack - guy beheads his boss and rams people with car, suicide bombing in Stockholm, attack in Liege... I could go on and on... There's been hundreds upon hundreds dead and injured thanks to Europeans really getting along...

Yeah, sounds very peaceful to me - really sounds like the Muslims are integrating into European society just great.

If you combine foiled, unsuccessful along with successful terrorist attacks in the EU there's several hundred a year. Far more than in the US despite pretty equal populations.
Dougpol1 33 | 3,247
6 May 2016 #1,136
Far more than in the US

Don't put the US up as a role model for chrissakes..........

A country where the police have a habit of shooting citizens for misdemeanors and actually nothing at all. I'm not surprised that some people's natural response is to flee from the police.
Honest Pole
6 May 2016 #1,137
A country where the police have a habit of shooting citizens for misdemeanors and actually nothing at all. I'm not surprised that some people's natural response is to flee from the police.

Yeah USA's police is very brutal and known to often torturę suspects.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_ride_(police_brutality)
AdrianK9 6 | 369
6 May 2016 #1,138
I'm not surprised that some people's natural response is to flee from the police.

The police shoot people who refuse to drop their weapons or charge at them - assaulting a police officer is a felony. A cop's job is dangerous and we as a society give the police a certain amount of authority to carry a gun and decide when is appropriate to use it. Now the police can't even do their jobs because they're worried that they won't be able to apprehend a black teenager without Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton starting a riot and blacks taking that as an opportunity to loot all the businesses in the area. Everytime a black guy gets shot by a cop, black people end up committing more crimes by stealing from stores. If they wanted to show themselves as law abiding citizens, they'd protest peacefully - not cause riots, destroy cop cars, and break into businesses - stealing liquor and television sets. These people look like animals out of a cage when you see the TV reports showing them running all over the street, setting things on fire, screaming, looting, stealing, and just causing mayhem. Maybe if they didn't do these things then people would have more respect for them. However, due to their inability to act in a civilized manner, they bring it upon themselves. Then on top of it they complain about the white man holding him back and not paying his fair share when actually whites, who make up the majority of high income tax payers, are actually the ones providing Tyrone, Shaniqua, and their kids Lashanda, Shanaynay, and Tyrone Junior with welfare, foodstamps, section 8, government cell phones, free medical and all sorts of other crap - yet they have the nerve to demand more and be upset that one of their 'homies' was shot by a cop because he charged at him with a knife, refused to drop a weapon, was high as kite on drugs and acted violently, or refused to stop when given an order.

Also, that's no different than what the police do in other countries. The police in Mexico extort people and go around looking for bribes and the Israeli police shoot at innocent palestinians. The police in Russia beat people up - including gays for demonstrating. Also, this has nothing to do with the fact that there are far more terrorist attacks in Europe than the US despite pretty similar populations.

Also, that doesn't change the fact that I've cited plenty of examples - namely terrorist attacks - which show that the Muslims are NOT living in peace with the white Europeans. I used the US as an example stating that we have far fewer terrorist attacks despite having a pretty equal population - that has nothing to do with how the police do their job in the US.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
6 May 2016 #1,139
@Adrian: if things were so bad in W. Europe, why are most people there satisfied? There are NO hords of W. Europeans leaving their countries and applying for asylum to Poland for instance ;). There are even millions of let's say Poles who live in W. Europe (including over 1 miilion Poles in France who have been there for generations but some 3,000 French in Poland (businesspeople and a few Franco-Polish couples). As to copying-pasting, you should know that acts of terrorism and pure petty crime have nothing to do.

Contrary to you, I have lived in w. Europe for over 30 years so contrary to you, I don't need to rely on BS from internet to know how life is. And YES, the big majority of people are satisfied with their lot and today's London's election confirms it. How many w. Europeans live abroad. Since I know figures about France, about 2 million French live abroad (over 90% of them are businesspeople or mixed couples) for a total of over 66 million people.

If we were to listen to you guys, we could believe that W. Europe is a huge battflefied, with people killing each other every 10 seconds etc etc. Everybody from W. Europe knows it is pure bs because life is completely normal and YES the HUGE majority of people have no "issues" with others. But of course, you and consorts know better than people from there ;).

PS: for sure, in the US, NO crime! When I lived in the US, I could not keep my windows opened, I had to check that nobody was on the back seat when I entered my car, etc etc ... While in the US, I have several people murdered (including a couple I knew found beheaded Inside a garbage can ) so please keep your lessons to yourselves, you Américans!.

PPS: sorry if W. Europe does not fit you, but stop telling BS about it because enough is enough!

Anyway, London's election shows that you are wrong!
Dougpol1 33 | 3,247
6 May 2016 #1,140
The police shoot people who refuse to drop their weapons

Adrian - you did not have to write your usual 40 lines.

And the boy who was driving his fathers' car while (mildly) drunk last year? Why was he shot?

Why was that coloured gentleman shot in the park?

Why were students murdered at Kent State etc etc etc. ?

Do not generalise please. Keep your guns. I will always make damn sure that my daughter is safe and hopefully well away from America. If a US cop shot her for reaching for her bag I would pay somebody handsomely to go nuclear. Is that religious enough for you?

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