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Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
26 Apr 2016 #991
hiding in your closet

LOL! Ha-ha-ha-ha! I know it stands for queer, but is that the same as a homo or something different? You're the expert in that area.
Crow 137 | 7,756
26 Apr 2016 #992
family planning

what crossed my mind when i sow that `family planning` of yours, is that no matter live as `receivers` or as `givers` in their homo relationship, homo people, can count only on adoption of children, if its permitted by law or if cloning is forbidden. Now, when we are at it, i am against adoption of children by homo couples. Why? Because children coming as result of relationship between people with different sex. Therefore, those children should have such a people for example. Also, i am against cloning of people, because today`s science knows very little of consequences of cloning on the long run. There are those who suggests that coning may lead in genetic degradation of entire human species, ultimately lead even to kind of genetic plague.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
26 Apr 2016 #993
It looks like cissexual means normal or as someone prefers not transsexual.

Julia Serano has defined cissexual as "people who are not transsexual and who have only ever experienced their mental and physical sexes as being aligned", while cisgender is a slightly narrower term for those who do not identify as transgender (a larger cultural category than the more clinical transsexual).

So is that like males who have a penis and identify as males but don't want to be called a man and now everyone needs to be sensitive and call them cissexual? I am so confused lol. Then what is cisgender now? According to Wiki - Cisgender (often abbreviated to simply cis) is a label for those whose experiences of their own gender agree with the sex they were assigned at birth. It may also be defined as those who have "a gender identity or perform a gender role society considers appropriate for one's sex."[1] It is a complement to the term transgender.

I never thought I'd live to see the day where PC has gotten so out of hand that it's not incorrect to call someone a man or woman. Would the PC term for a hetero male be like cissexual/cisgender male then?

I guess hetero is no longer good enough. If LGBTQASDFJKL; groups were so inclusive why aren't they more inclusive of heterosexuals? I don't see an H for hetero or even a C for cissexual in any of their many groupings and labels.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
26 Apr 2016 #994
to be honest Adrian, I wouldn't take much notice of this 'cis' thing. Such nonsense only flourishes if you feed it....:)
AdrianK9 6 | 369
26 Apr 2016 #995
Crow,

Unfortunately in the west homo couples are allowed to have kids. I don't know if it's the same in Poland - are homos allowed to adopt kids?

it has both a centuries old liberal tradition and a respect for privacy, the law, the constitution (which you pretend to loathe) and, of course, human rights. Including for people who identify as LGBTI.

The law may provide legal protection for LGBTADFQWER[OUI people but that doesn't mean that most people agree with it.

According to these sources, 60% are against civil partnerships, 67% are against homosexual marriage and 87% against adoption by homo couples. Furthermore, well over half of people would not accept a gay or lesbian teacher (75% for lesbian, 77% for gay), boss (53% for both lesbian and gay), coworker (50% for gay, 53% for lesbian), or nanny (over 80% for both gay and lesbian)

cbos.pl/SPISKOM.POL/2013/K_024_13.PDF
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
26 Apr 2016 #996
67% are against homosexual marriage

That's heartening news. It's good to hear that the nomal, traditional family comprising a father, mother and their children are still alive and well in Poland. There are so many libertine, "anything-goes" places to choose from where the unnaturals, abnormals and assorted alternativists can live and luxuriate in their perversity, so it's good to have at least one haven where the sanctity of marriage and the family is upheld.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
26 Apr 2016 #997
at least one haven where the sanctity of marriage and the family is upheld.

Absolutely. Russia is even more strict than Poland - there's a total ban on pride parades and homosexual propaganda. I don't know why these individuals, which represents 1-2% of society, insist on forcing the remaining 98-99% to accept that their perversions are totally normal. Back in the 90's, it was all about tolerance - but now that's no longer enough - now we're forced to accept everything that's foreign and disgusting it and if we question it because it contradicts our own morals or religion, we're automatically labeled as some crazy religious homophones.There's plenty of countries for them to go to and have their gay marriage and adoption - leave Poland alone.
Crow 137 | 7,756
26 Apr 2016 #998
Unfortunately in the west homo couples are allowed to have kids.

First, my friend, let us not fall in mistake to use term `west` for geographical west. No, they aren `t West. Poland, Serbia, entire Slavic world is West. We gave birth to West.

Then, sure, we live in a quite sick world. Why not give child to homos? Child didn`t even ask to be born. Just, child is in situation to be adopted and what goes to it goes. Sh** happens. It have to accept it. Parents of that child aren`t alive or they maybe abandoned their children, so why ask them, too. Who gives a sh** what would parent, who eventually died in car accident, want for his child.

I don't know if it's the same in Poland

i say, let us form Intermarium as fast as we can and let us defend our way of life. Yugoslavia was good example of real multiculturalism, not self-destructive one for its own culture. We helped to Blacks more then so called west but, we didn`t seek to destroy neither ourselves, neither them.
TheOther 5 | 3,886
26 Apr 2016 #999
I guess hetero is no longer good enough.

There are always some idiots who are trying to come up with a new hype. Metrosexual, cissexual or one that always makes me laugh: cultural appropriation (if used in a negative way). Have you read about that black woman that attacked a white dude at SFSU because he was wearing dreadlocks, and accused him of cultural appropriation a few weeks ago? Douchebags.
Crow 137 | 7,756
26 Apr 2016 #1,000
The day when would some monsters invent artificial womb isn`t far from us. Then, some other monster can invent ideology of wombinism. Giant womb would provide children. It would be kind of society where would exist only LGBT population and different sex couples would be considered as something abominable.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
26 Apr 2016 #1,001
cultural appropriation

See the problem is that there is an all out assault on white European Christian heritage and traditions. The youth are cut off from their roots more and more everyday and having pride in one's Catholic European roots is increasingly demonized. The only people that are allowed to create pride groups according to their race are minorities. Unfortunately, younger generations like mine are constantly fed this hip hop garbage and MTV Jersey Shore and they think that's how society ought to be for people of their age. Of course the Jewish execs have no problem with this because they keep their culture, sexuality, religion, and traditions in tact. Homosexuality, promiscuity, mixed marriages - hah! that's for the goys! Instead of learning how to play the accordion and sing Polish folk songs, the youth prefer to appropriate other cultures and sag their pants and march alongside BLM terrorists. Which I may add that whole custom actually came from jails and prisons - gay prisoners who wished to be penetrated would sag their pants as a sign that they want it up the butt. Now black people start suing airlines when a flight attendant asks an individual to show some decency and pull his pants up. Like I said before - the whites out to organize a demonstration whenever the Black Lives Matter terrorists are in town and shot 'Pants Up - Don't Loot' to counter their 'Hands up Don't Shoot' slogan. I see clips of ultra liberal girls crying at rallies because some illegal person got deported for breaking the law - their argument is that they're human beings and they shouldn't be told where they can and can't live. Obviously, she's never been to Mexico who's immigration laws make ours look like a joke. The West is truly going to hell in a hand basket. Every year there is more PC, more degeneration of the economy and morals, more assault upon the church and Christians, more civil liberties and rights being trampled on, more intervention by the government in everyday life, more poison in our food, water, and even the sky, more media lying about reality and news outlets giving a false view of what's really going on, more corruption - I mean now even police can literally take your money, car, and house even before you're charged and found guilty of a crime (i.e. google civil forfeiture or the city of teneha as an example). Even recently a Burmese man who was a manager for a Christian rock group had $53,000 taken from him by the police who accused him of being a drug smuggler even though he had proof the money was a result of donations and ticket sales. He was only charged with a broken taillight and no drugs, guns, or anything else was ever found. Yet, this is totally legal for the police to do. it's really bad and it's only getting worse. I mean nothing really surprises me anymore - I really wouldn't be at all surprised if one day the government started rounding up white Christian conservatives.
TheOther 5 | 3,886
26 Apr 2016 #1,002
I don't see it as an all out assault on whiteys culture as you do. For me, PC (not to be mixed up with being nice!) is simply an unnecessary nuisance, a good idea gone seriously wrong. If I can't criticize someone without running the risk to get sued for hurting his or her little feelings, if black students need Safe Rooms to be "protected" from opposing views, or if basketball teams have to change their names and mascots because some tribe all of a sudden feels offended by its use, then something is seriously wrong with our society. There's no way to solve this dilemma because there will always be someone who is ticked off by something someone else is doing.

having pride in one's Catholic European roots is increasingly demonized

That has a very long tradition in the USA...
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
26 Apr 2016 #1,003
r more complex and multifaceted

Multi-culti & multi-sexy types like jon tend to pick out some isolated examples from the fringes of Polish heritage and play them up for what all they're worth. If someone says heretics were not burnt at the stake in Poland, they'll dredge up 16th century Aryan priest Jan Laski who was or recall that the Jews in Poland actually boiled an offender in oil late as the 19th century. Such bits of trivia do not change the fact that the Polish nation as a whole was and continues to be faithful to God, family and country. And neither the clamorous KODists or their kindred SB types (opposed to declassifying information) are about to change that.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
26 Apr 2016 #1,004
That has a very long tradition in the USA...

Absolutely. However, this is gradually being replaced by white guilt - especially throughout Obama's presidency. It's as if blacks can do no wrong and all the ills of the blacks are solely the white mans' fault.

The US, up until the Great Recession, use to totally honor hard work, saving, climbing the corporate ladder, and being a financial success. Now, it's looked as evil, unfair, and that the wealthy an individual worked hard to attain and save ought to be redistributed to those 'less fortunate' who did not care to work as hard or make sacrifices.

I may have a bit different worldview as I predominantly live in an ultra liberal democratic city.
TheOther 5 | 3,886
26 Apr 2016 #1,005
The US, up until the Great Recession, use to totally honor hard work, saving, climbing the corporate ladder, and being a financial success.

Nah, that stopped years before the Great Recession. In 2000/2001, to be exact, when the dotcom bubble burst and countless people lost their jobs and their savings. That was also the time when Jack Welch's concept of shareholder value really took over and corporate America stopped caring about the country and its people.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
26 Apr 2016 #1,006
True but even between the dot com burst and the great recession, home values were still very high. The dot com bubble didn't nearly have as hard of an impact on property values as the great recession. People's homes were their pride and joy and something that they worked for decades to pay off so they could live in comfortably. Now, according to many individuals having a nice family home paid off through decades of hard work is a bad thing - especially the redistribute the wealth types and those in the UN who have established Agenda 21 down to their local ICLEI branches - specifically say that suburban housing is against 'sustainable development' (sounds like a great thing till you read more into how it affects your daily life) and that having property is what primarily leads to social inequality.

I'd argue that corporate America stopped caring about its people at first with Clinton's trade deals and policies. This was further ruined by politicians that use societys' ignorance of economics to argue that over taxing big business is good for the country. If taxing businesses to hell and back was so great, than why have so many corporations, from large ones like Caterpillar to small ones like home remodelers, moved to other states or even abroad. Corporations that have been headquartered in the US for decades, even centuries, are increasingly moving abroad because quite frankly the taxes are too high. The 45%-47% people who do not pay federal income taxes fail to realize and understand this.

I think that around the same time - the doc com bubble, created a much different public view on social affairs like gay equality, homo marriage, etc. - not just in the US but throughout the West. During the gay 90's and into the early 2000's we were taught tolerance - which I can understand. However, this is no longer enough - now we are forced not just to tolerate these individuals but grant them special freedoms, change our laws and customs, and accept and like these people even if it contradicts with our morals, philosophies, or religion. Now, even countries like Poland are getting caught up in this as they seek to have better unity with the west. Polish society has always been a bit of an outlier in Europe - we have many of the liberal laws of the west but yet conservative thought and custom of eastern Europe.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
26 Apr 2016 #1,008
Because there's only 2 genders... also many places do have a 3rd 'family' bathroom. As someone who's family is involved in commercial construction, including government buildings, I can tell you this is just a waste of taxpayer money. Good for us, bad for taxpayers.
TheOther 5 | 3,886
26 Apr 2016 #1,009
The dot com bubble didn't nearly have as hard of an impact on property values as the great recession.

But property values have bounced back big time and they are now higher than ever before. Not to forget that a lot of people have made a killing buying foreclosed properties during the recession.

Corporations that have been headquartered in the US for decades, even centuries, are increasingly moving abroad because quite frankly the taxes are too high.

I agree that taxes are too high, but the main culprit is again shareholder value. Profit above everything else. Corporations used to care about their employees, and I remember times when people used to stay with the same company from after college until retirement. That has all changed and been replaced with job insecurity and a workload per employee (also called "productivity") that literally kills. Did I mention that you have to be available 24/7 these days and weekends are not for the family anymore?

eastern Europe

Never mention Poland and eastern Europe in the same sentence, Adrian. Our resident PolAm Nazis will crucify you for that. LOL.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
26 Apr 2016 #1,010
Did I mention that you have to be available 24/7 these days and weekends are not for the family anymore?

I know. Luckily I have a job where I don't spend much of my time working and spend most of my time on Etrade, Polish Forums, youtube, watching the news, etc. It's really not about how long you work but rather how much you get done. I'm fairly young and I don't have a ton of corporate experience but I have had a lot of documented success and promotions in the years I do have under my belt. For me it's very easy for me to find a job although my particular specialty is a field that has lots of turn over and a very sink or swim environment. However, I know that definitely isn't the case with say like a speech pathologist, a cabinet maker, or an HR director.

But property values have bounced back big time and they are now higher than ever before.

Property values certainly bounced backed but they're still lower than they were at 2007 levels, at least here in Chicago and the suburbs. A lot of people did make a killing buying foreclosures but a whole lot more lost their homes by being unable to afford mortgages and property taxes. If you had a lot of cash during the recession it was great because you could pick up apartment buildings extremely cheap and rent every single unit out due to the decline of home ownership - which still hasn't rebounded since. In Illinois people were more affected by the ridiculous property taxes, which got raised even further, more than even mortgages - at least from the conversations I've had with my real estate agent. We've had droves of people leaving Cook County for surrounding suburbs and even states. For example, if you have a $1 mil home in say Park Ridge - an affluent Cook county suburb. You can expect $19k in property taxes - with that being raised by 4.25% every year over the next four years. By comparison, a $1 million home in Highland Park, the premier Jewish suburb of Lake County, will run you around $12k in property taxes with no further raises. This is still a crazy high amount compared to many other states where it's a fraction. A lot of real estate speculators simply had to sell their homes and not make any profit or even take a loss because they simply couldn't wait around for the market to rebound and pay 5+ years of property taxes in the mean time. With a home like the Park Ridge example, that'd be $100k over 5 years - and that's not even counting bills and upkeep to keep the house looking nice and pipes from bursting.

I know some Poles say Poland is Central Europe, some say Eastern Europe... I consider it one and the same. I would argue that our culture and society has more in common with Slavic Eastern European countries than more Germanic central Europe. It's really just semantics though.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
26 Apr 2016 #1,011
I would argue that our culture and society has more in common with Slavic Eastern European countries than more Germanic central Europe.

Really, it doesn't. Polish law is based heavily upon Napoleonic Law rather than the Russian legal traditions. Poland culturally has been quite close to France and Italy, and in business, Germany. In terms of religion, again, Poland is far closer to the Catholic Germanic traditions than the eastern Orthodox traditions.
TheOther 5 | 3,886
26 Apr 2016 #1,012
lower than they were at 2007 levels, at least here in Chicago and the suburbs

Not in my neck of the woods, fortunately. Home prices are approx. 80% above 2011 median sales price at the moment. I know though that a lot of people have been hit hard and are still suffering. Detroit is particularly bad, and some of the old burbs are completely deserted and taken over by nature again. Spooky, really.

property taxes

Yeah, you guys got the wrong end of the stick with a 2.32% tax rate. Ours is only 0.81% at the moment. Still to much since we also have the damn sales tax here in CA.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
26 Apr 2016 #1,013
Yeah Illinois is 2nd to only New Jersey from my understanding. However, NJ is far more friendly to corporations and businesses. Its crazy quite frankly I'm simply fed up with living in the US. I'm taking my money and moving elsewhere. It's getting worse and worse and worse. I mean honestly Poland, Eastern Europe and even Central Asia is starting to look more and more promising each day.
TheOther 5 | 3,886
27 Apr 2016 #1,014
I mean honestly Poland, Eastern Europe and even Central Asia is starting to look more and more promising each day.

Don't know about your chances in Poland or further east, but Singapore and Japan are quite nice. Taiwan and South Korea are rather difficult for long noses - at least in my experience.

I'm simply fed up with living in the US

Tsk, tsk. Have the hicks already given you that "if you don't like it, leave" speech? ;)
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
27 Apr 2016 #1,015
skewed interpretation

Speaking of things skewed, I stumbled across this trying to find out what a cis-sexual was. I was floored by the huge variety or quirks and abnormalities listed:

Agender / genderless Androgyne Bigender (bi-gender) Cisgender / cissexual Genderqueer / non-binary Hijra Pangender Queer heterosexuality Third gender / Third sex Trans man Trans woman Trigender (tri-gender) Two-Spirit
Topics: Transgender youth Transsexual Gender dysphoria Gender variance
Gender/sexuality questioning Cross-dressing...

There are also lesbos, butches, maso-sadists or is it sado-masochists, sodomists,
fetishists, metrosexuals et al. Who thinks up these things? Someone with too much time of their hands, the idle rich, LGBT operatives out to expand their clientele and coffers?

Most normal people have never heard of many of these. When one imagines youngsters encountering such notions on the net, it's hard not to realise we are ONE SICK SOCIETY!
Atch 17 | 2,930
27 Apr 2016 #1,016
I stumbled across this trying to find out what a cis-sexual was

What in the name of all that's normal are you up to????? What are you doing 'trying to find out' such things? God Almighty I think it's time to petition St Jude about you.

Most normal people have never heard of many of these.

Precisely.

youngsters encountering such notions

Except that they don't as a rule, not unless, like yourself, they have an unhealty preoccupation with the subject in the first place and go around actively seeking such information.

Someone with too much time of their hands

Such as yourself.

ONE SICK SOCIETY!

One sick individual anyway.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
27 Apr 2016 #1,017
Tsk, tsk. Have the hicks already given you that "if you don't like it, leave" speech? ;)

It's many reasons - but yes, I don't like it so I am planning on leaving - especially if Hillary wins. I'm mainly planning on leaving because the US is no longer what it was when I first came here. For one, European white Christians are now the ones being persecuted. Our money is taken, our morals are challenged, and our way of life is under constant assault. We can't even go by a roll of toilet paper at Target without being inundated with some transsexualism being throw in our face. I do not wish to live in a society like that anymore. Things have changed drastically and it's only getting worse and worse. I plan to have a family and I definitely won't expose my children to the gay propaganda, have them learning a common core curriculum, receive dozens of unnecessary vaccines, or be forced to accept ideas that are foreign to my family's Polish tradition and customs and our Roman Catholic faith.

Don't know about your chances in Poland or further east, but Singapore and Japan are quite nice.

The thing is I already speak fluent Polish, have property in Poland, have my entire family in Europe - mostly in Poland and would essentially just need to find work, learn the bureaucracy, and find out who the big players in Wroclaw are. It wouldn't take me long to get settled in plus I'd make sure I have around $100k after moving expenses to ride it out for a year or two while I'm getting settled in. Russia wouldn't be bad either as I speak a bit of Russian and could become fluent rather quickly although the wages for expats aren't nearly what they were 10-20 years ago. Japan and Singapore are too restrictive and it would be very hard for me to learn the language. I'd sooner take a Latin American country than even East Asian. I have a great job offer in Kazakhstan so that is one consideration for now and the move would be rather easy since the employers take care of a lot of the moving and settling in related costs and paperwork.

quote=Polonius3]There are also lesbos, butches, maso-sadists or is it sado-masochists, sodomists,
fetishists, metrosexuals et al[/quote]
I mean I guess I'd consider myself a metrosexual since I buy nice clothes and am kind of obsessed about my appearance. That has to do more related with my position and just because I generally like nice clothes, Swiss watches, Italian and British suits, stuff like that. I don't impose my beliefs on others though. I mean there is so many different sexual this, gender that it's like impossible to keep track of them all. I'm in my late 20s and quite frankly I haven't heard of most of these till the last few years. This is why I jokingly refer to it as LGBTADFKL;JQWER9IPJU - or basically any combination of LGBT plus a hitting a bunch of random keys. Of course, you won't see H for hetero or N for normal...

Thankfully, at least the majority of Polish society (at least according to the 2013 study I posted earlier) does NOT find homosexuality to be normal, would not accept a homosexual teacher, boss, coworker, nanny, etc. and does not support gay marriage.
Lenka 3 | 1,514
27 Apr 2016 #1,018
You do realise that the same ppl do have a homosexual boss/teacher/nanny the just don't know about it.
In my town we had a gay teacher. She divorced with her husband and started a relationship with women, they even raised her daughter from the marriage together. No one ever gave them a hard time. She was still a respected and liked teacher. In my high school we had two girls in a relationship. They hugged and held hand like any other couple. Again, they probably did have some troubles from time to time but neither the school authority nor the majority of students had any problem with that.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
27 Apr 2016 #1,019
cis-sexual

Do you know a cis-sexual is? I didn't. When I looked it up all the other garbage sprouted up. I was surprised that such stuff even exists. You seem ready to kill the messenger rather than comment on the trans-sickies listed there. Why is that?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
27 Apr 2016 #1,020
cis-sexual

I still don't get it, so one is cis somethin when isn't a homo ?

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