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Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?


johnny reb 18 | 3,793
4 Jul 2015 #631
This thread is not about to guarantee rights to Homo's in Poland, it's about discrediting Christianity, Catholicism and to promote Homosexuality by brainwahing the youth here with making artificial fanatical perverts acceptable in Poland's society.

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delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
4 Jul 2015 #632
How much experience do you have with human and civil rights in Poland, Sok?

Fortunately in Poland, we have laws that treat everyone equally.
Atch 17 | 2,932
4 Jul 2015 #633
This thread is not about to guarantee rights to Homo's in Poland, it's about discrediting Christianity, Catholicism and to promote Homosexuality by brainwahing the youth here with making artificial fanatical perverts acceptable in Poland's society.

Ah come on now Johnny. And Happy Fourth of July to you and Polonius by the way, and to all other American forum members. Nobody on here is anti-Christian though criticism of the Catholic church in Poland or elsewhere is inevitable in a discussion about homosexuality. I'm a Catholic and can find plenty of faults with the church, but I still believe in God, I'm not against Christianity. And the majority of homosexuals and lesbians are not fanatical, they're just ordinary people who want to live an ordinary life, doing the same things as you and I. Look we now have same sex marriage in Ireland but Johnny I can tell you, hand on heart, that walking through the centre of the capital city on a daily basis, I have never seen any expressions of public affection between a gay couple. I did see a couple of young lesbians holding hands once but they were tourists! Homos are not taking over the world.
Lolek222 - | 80
4 Jul 2015 #634
Law or not Europe and what not will not force Poland to recognize any nonsense in the form of people claiming to be birds or thzt two guys or two women can marry, course they cannot, thry might clime otherwise but the nature belie them, like people claiming to be birds can preen and make noises like bird but never they will lie an egg, the same goesn for the same sex, no children what marriage. Stuff for kiddies or pure madness.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #635
And the majority of homosexuals and lesbians are not fanatical, they're just ordinary people who want to live an ordinary life, doing the same things as you and I.

Spot on. Which is exactly what the law, any law, is designed to achieve.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
4 Jul 2015 #636
@Lolek: "no children no marriage"! How about hetero married couples without kids? People don't have kids for a lot of reasons, often because of medical ones.

How do gays and lesbians and same sex marriage affect your life? They sure don't so let others live their own life! Same sex marriage gives the right to gays and lesbians to marry the persons they love, they don't have to get married, they may if they want to, just like any other citizen. This is EQUALITY, a basic concept in any democratic society. Furthermore, nobody forces you to become gay/lesbian and/or to marry one.

So please some tolerance!
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2015 #637
doing the same things as you and I

But spreading a lot more STDs. It's their leaders at LGBT HQ that spew the hate and deceptive propaganda against Christians and normal families.

"Just like everybody else" is their main propaganda line. They fail to add except for:

**their higher STD rate
**more substance abuse
**more domestic violence
**higher promiscuity (ov3er 100 partners in a lifetime is not unusual)
**less stable relationships (3 years is average)
**shorter life expectancy...
But except for those "minor points" they're just like everybody else and hence should have innocent orphans (who have usually already been through a lot already in their short lives) placed in their care (homo adoptions)!!!
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #638
Not one word of your post, Pol3 is relevant to anything at all. Smokers are at a higher risk of lung cancer - we don't deny them equality under the law. Americans are more likely to commit gum crimes than Europeans - we don't stop them travelling to our Union.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
4 Jul 2015 #639
@Polonius: since according to you, being homosexual is dangerous (it is true though that gays are more likely to catch aids), what do you want to do to them? To kill them? To forbid homosexuality? Homosexuality has been around since the origns of mankind.

99.99% gays and lesbians want peace and quiet. They just want the right to live and they don't bother anyone.

PS: I walked this morning along the rainbow and guess what? Still there and no police cars/dogs itd...

PPS: I am sure gays and lesbians are not obsessed by heteros the way you are with gays and lesbians ;). How many of them have you interacted with? I am not saying you have seen on tv but you have really known. I bet 0.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2015 #640
we don't stop them

But you would unflinchingly subject orphans to such people, than to a nomral married family seeking to adopt. I know you would because the orphans wellbeing is the least of your concerns. It is only "rights, rights, rights", capturing successive beach-heads for your motley crew. That's all that counts.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #641
But you would unflinchingly subject orphans to such people, than to a nomral married family seeking to adopt.

No evidence that it makes the slightest bit of difference. And certainly no reason for Poland (which it doesn't) not to respect rights.

I am sure gays and lesbians are not obsessed by heteros the way you are with gays and lesbians ;). How many of them have you interacted with? I am not saying you have seen on tv but you have really known. I bet 0.

One wonders.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2015 #642
To kill them?

No, but inform the public. All these characteristics which can be fully documented by sociological and medical resdearch, is being conveniently suppressed for propaganda purposes. Hollywoowd rarely highlights those aspects of gaydom.Do sex ed textbooks point out the high-risk nature of that orientation. Not kill htem, but openly disucss the problems. More facts, less PR!
InPolska 11 | 1,821
4 Jul 2015 #643
@Polonius : according to you, why are some people homosexuals?
Lolek222 - | 80
4 Jul 2015 #644
Heterosexual couple either cannot have children due to no fault of their own or it is a choice. The same sex couple is unable to conceive a child period, nature tell you somthing . Society say that in that case, unnatural relisionsips natural law should have taken precedence and over some political ideas.

What gays or lesbians doing to me personally and how they affect my life? None whatsoever, for now.
I dont care what they do in theri life, if they want to call ththemselves married or masters of thr universe, let them who cares, if they want to establish some gay church or somthing, who cares? The same sex marriage and legislating aroud homosexuality and so callef antidiscrminatry policy thst different. If a dude claims to be a bird and makes apriobate birds noises, if goes around behaving like a bird I donvcare, but if the law is telling me that I have to treat that crazy guy as if he really was a bird that no right that madness and tyranny, tolerance? I say show some sense.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #645
say show some sense.

Not much sense, actually. Evidently you think that there shouldn't be equality for every citizen or resident of Poland and that equality isn't unconditional.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
4 Jul 2015 #646
@Lolek: how can you associate a gay or lesbian who wants the same rights as their hetero fellow citizens (normal in democratic societies) and a nutcase pretending to be a bird? Gays and lesbians don't pretend anything, they are just gays and lesbians and expect to be treated like anybody else, nothing more nothing less...
Lolek222 - | 80
4 Jul 2015 #647
Anybody can demand anthing claiming that thing to be his right, doesn't means a thing.
Claim doesn't equal right and doesn't translate equality.

how

They pretend to be the same as heterosexual couple, they are not. Instead of pretending they should show some real gay pride and accept themselves as their reallt ard not playing some games or live in denial.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #648
Neither of those posts make any sense, and you don't specify the way in which you'd like Poland to start denying human rights...
Lolek222 - | 80
4 Jul 2015 #649
those

Sure, you evidetly are such a hard case living in denial. Show some pride man, stop claiming nonsense and get some sense.
johnny reb 18 | 3,793
4 Jul 2015 #650
The main reason married people get benefits in marriage is because it creates a moral and stable enviroment for the upbringing of children.
A father and a mother provide such mutual affection for a child to learn morals.
This enriches and strengthens a grounded society.
Homo marriage does not provide such conditions.
A homosexual marriage is primarily for personal gratification and not for child rearing.
Therefore Homo's are not entitled to the protection of marriage as it was intended.
Let them call it something else because you can't go around changing the true definition of words simply for personal convenience.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #651
Sure, you evidetly are such a hard case living in denial. Show some pride man, stop claiming nonsense and get some sense.

Very eloquent. Not.

Therefore Homo's are not entitled to the protection of marriage as it was intended.

The courts and your constitution disagree.
Crow 137 | 7,756
4 Jul 2015 #652
We have this discussion because west of Europe wants to prove that love Polish homosexuals more then ethnic Poles love them. All that in environment of Poland subjugated to the EU (read- west of Europe and USA).

i call all Poles and Slavs to show love for our own homosexuals, in our traditional hospitable Slavic societies. Homosexuals or heterosexuals, its all our people.
johnny reb 18 | 3,793
4 Jul 2015 #653
The courts and your constitution disagree

Oh our Constitution sure does not.
They have bastardized it so bad that I can see why you wouldn't think so
but he will be out of office in 18 more months and counting.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2015 #654
Not one word about it in Europe

There are plenty of words about but you prefer to ignore them since they do not fit into your pro-homo propaganda blitz. In Europe the main culprit is the EU which provides pervert advocacy groups with 2/3 of their funds. And Poland is in the EU so the brainwashing is likely to increase here as well.

Most of us would expect that "non-governmental" or "civil society" organizations are sustained by donations or contributions they receive from those whom they claim to represent. That may be true for most of them - but not for all. Unbeknownst to the wider public, and in grotesque contradiction to good democratic practice, the European Commission has for years funded, and continues funding, a small number of lobby groups promoting a controversial and radical social agenda. Most notably, the beneficiaries of this funding include groups such as ILGA Europe and the European Women's Lobby (EWL) - the former is the umbrella organization for gay and lesbian pressure groups throughout Europe, the latter a group that, whilst pretending to speak on behalf of women, in actual fact follows a radical feminist ideology that does not have much support in the wider population and certainly is not representative for the needs and mindsets of all women. The monies they receive from the European Commission account for more than two thirds of their budgets.

agendaeurope.wordpress.com/eu-funding-of-gay-and-feminist-lobby-groups/

Americans are more likely to commit gum crimes

Do you mean giving head just using the gums (no teeth). Whatever the case, they are not allowed to marry their guns.
jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2015 #655
giving head just using the gums (no teeth)

Vulgar, vulgar...

In Europe the main culprit is the EU which provides pervert advocacy groups with 2/3 of their funds

Aside from the fact that there's no such thing as a 'pervert advocacy group', except in your head, can you supply details of all this funding other than the nutty sites you normally link to?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2015 #656
nutty sites

When lacking counterarguments all totalitarian minds attack inconvenient facts as unreliable, marginal, unsubstantiated, from dubious sources or "nutty". Did you relaise that so far any group or site that is not 100% pro-LGBTQ has been dismissed by you as nutty. Anyone who regards LGBTQ as perverts has a right to do so in a free country. You too have a right to disagree. The problem is that when a totalitarian-minded (only-we-are-rigth) group such as the LGBTQ comes to power, it resorts to more "forecfeul" means of suppressing unwanted facts and data. Already there are the first signs of the homo-advocacy establishment leaning on dissenters and quashing free speech.
jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2015 #657
from dubious sources or "nutty". Did you relaise that so far any group or site that is not 100% pro-LGBTQ has been dismissed by you as nutty.

Spot on, given some of the truly ghastly sites you've tried to cite as examples of something.

Not one of them. not even one, relevant to Poland.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2015 #658
not even one, relevant to Poland

Only points up the deficiencies of Polish scholarship. But you're the one who says perversion, er, um, I means "progress" (as you define it) is "unstoppable", so it's best to brace oneself for what might be just round the corner.

Besides, do you believe the LGBT onslaught will proceed differently in Poland than anywhere else?
jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2015 #659
the LGBT onslaught

A meaningless phrase.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2015 #660
A meaningless phrase

Anything diverging even to the slightest degree from the ONLY, TRUE, CORRECT and PROPER HOMO-PROMOTING LGBT propaganda is meaningless in your books. Spoken as a true dyed-in-the-wool totalitarian who would do any Stalinist or Hitlerite proud. Anyone diverging from the party line is an "enemy of the people"; anyone questioning the one, true "master race" is an anti-German traitor.

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