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Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?


jon357 63 | 14,255
3 Jul 2015 #601
Err ah.......the definition of "Marriage" IS EXCLUSIVELY between a man and a woman in any dictionary that I
have seen it in.

I suspect your dictionaries predate marriage equality.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
3 Jul 2015 #602
Don't need to suspect jon as we were talking about the Republic of Poland.

the the human and civil rights of Poland's LGBT citizens (and all of Poland's other citizens) are protected at a higher level than Polish law.

I do believe the dictionary predates the Republic of Poland.
Tori
3 Jul 2015 #603
I think this article explains it best how the people of Poland should learn from America's mistake.

"It's the real reason for the breakdown in values in our country, and it is the reason that our Supreme Court now functions so thoroughly upon the fact of arbitrary law. They have no basis for law that is fixed, therefore, like the young person who decides to live hedonistically upon their own chosen arbitrary values, society is now doing the same thing legally. Certain few people come together and decide what they arbitrarily believe is for the good of society at the given moment, and that becomes law."

peopleforlife.org/francis.html

The Supreme Court's decision to arbitrary change the definition of marriage is not only an example of an overstepping judicial branch imposing its will on the American people, but was a step no Christian should agree with or celebrate.

Cropped 100+words
jon357 63 | 14,255
3 Jul 2015 #604
I do believe the dictionary predates the Republic of Poland.

In that case you believe wrong. As has been explained so many times, the Polish Constitution does not prohibit this, and should there be any political interference, the Union (which Poland voluntarily joined) provides legal protection.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
3 Jul 2015 #605
Actually, it's worth pointing out that the legal system in Poland has already recognised same sex couples in some ways.

Full legal recognition cannot be far off, in my opinion.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
3 Jul 2015 #606
I am not wrong.....you are confusing the issue.
The issue was

the definition of "Marriage" IS EXCLUSIVELY between a man and a woman in any dictionary that I have seen it in.

So if the word marriage is defined between a man and woman how are you coming up with that it is

the Polish Constitution does not prohibit this

when it certainly does since marriage is between a man and woman.
It says nothing about man and man or dog and cat, it says man and woman.
So you are wrong.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 Jul 2015 #607
no Christian should agree with or celebrate.

Amen! And here I thought PF had been nearly taken over by paid LGBTQ lobbyists, useful idiots and conformists who think this is "trerndy" and go with the flow (like dead fish and sewerage).
Harry
3 Jul 2015 #608
Full legal recognition cannot be far off, in my opinion.

Poland is already legally required to recognise same-sex marriages in full.
jon357 63 | 14,255
3 Jul 2015 #609
if the word marriage is defined between a man and woman

It isn't any more. Certainly not in your country or mine. Unless of course you want to pretend that your copy of a dictionary is really a legal code in disguise.

Nor is it defined that way in the Polish Constitution.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
3 Jul 2015 #610
It isn't any more.

Oh B.S. jon, save it.
So we just conveniently ripped that page out and rewrote the definition of marriage to fit an arbitrary law to fix the laws that aready exist to conform to the 1.5% of society at a given moment because it benifits them so therefore it must be good for society even though it is sin.

Amazing, truely AMAZING !
You are so full of little green apples jon, the word marriage still is in the dictionary as a union between man and woman. Like I said, you're just going to have to call it something else because it is not marriage as defined by the dictionary or Bible or Christians or Muslims or a lot of the world.

And I am one of them so na na na.
jon357 63 | 14,255
3 Jul 2015 #611
definition of marriage

Resolved already in your country and in mine.

it is not marriage as defined by the dictionary or Bible or Christians or Muslims or a lot of the world.

Nor does it need to be.

You may not like equality, you may not like change. The law however is not based on your preferences.
Harry
3 Jul 2015 #612
It isn't any more. Certainly not in your country or mine. Unless of course you want to pretend that your copy of a dictionary is really a legal code in disguise.

It's not defined that way in Poland. Some Polish officials might think that marriage is still defined as the union of exclusively a man and a woman but they will soon be finding out that the law which applies in Poland has a different definition of marriage and that the definition of marriage as being the union of exclusively a man and a woman no more applies in Poland than the Vatican's definition of marriage as being the union of man and a woman or a man and a child. I just hope that not a vast amount of the money I pay as taxes here is wasted before some Polish officials find out that they can no longer impose their bigotry on other people.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
3 Jul 2015 #613
<benefits> before someone corrects my typo
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 Jul 2015 #614
dictionaries

Dictionaries, laws, EU protection, definitions, redefinitions, amendments, etc., all that bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo is of little concern to the average person. More impportant are the consequences and ramifications of these redefinitions. On such consequence will surely be the growth of prostitution by young hetero boys (16 is the age of consent in many places). Kids from not every well-to-do homes will do most anything for a little cash and at that age do not take health threats too seriously. Linking up with gays, whose STD level is quite high, they will spread the infections to their teanage girlfriends and to society in general.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
3 Jul 2015 #615
before some Polish officials find out that they can no longer impose their bigotry on other people.

So mean while the moral majority must live in an age where sin is celebrated and where those who do not partake of that sin or celebrate it are labeled as small minded bigots.

Then I am damn proud to be a bigot.
You on the other hand accumulate teachings that suit your own foolish passions and turn away from the truth as it is written.
Just because you call me a bigot does not change the truth.
Marriage is still defined as a man and woman no matter how hard you try to deny it.
JollyRomek 7 | 481
3 Jul 2015 #616
Marriage is still defined as a man and woman no matter how hard you try to deny it.

No, marriage is defined as the "legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman, or, in some jurisdictions, two people of the same sex.

If the jurisdiction you live in does not recognize same sex marriages, fair enough, but your jurisdiction's interpretation of marriage does not have to apply to other jurisdictions.

You are not going to change that fact by simply repeating your interpretation of marriage over and over and over again.
Crow 137 | 7,756
3 Jul 2015 #617
No, not of course. Of course that Poland can`t guaranty anything. No, not because Poland isn`t democratic. Problem is that Poland isn`t independent. So, no guaranties of anything.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 Jul 2015 #618
two people of the same sex.

Two people of the same sex constitute an a priori sterile liaison. Artificial measures such as adoption or uterus-hire do not change that fact, only try to mask it. Calling it a marriage or a family or a shack-up are just antics with semantics.
50%polish
3 Jul 2015 #619
Leviticus 20:13
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 Jul 2015 #620
marriage equality

There is no such thing -- only an artificial notion dreamt up by a bunch of fanatical perverts. By decree anything can be proclaimed and be called a "right" -- a midget has the "right" to join the NBA, and a bloke with thick, grubby fingers and the shakes has the "right" to be accepted into the society of neurosurgeons or watchmakers' guild. Bollocks!
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
4 Jul 2015 #621
or, in some jurisdictions, two people of the same sex.

Maybe but not by definition in the dictionary, Bible, by Christians, Muslims, or the majority of the world.

Leviticus 20:13

Makes things pretty clear dunnit. May I quote from the NIV.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestible. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

That is the old testament. The New Testament says it again in 1Corinthians 6:9-10 very clearly.
Of course this is why atheist are atheist is because they have no basis for law that is fixed, therefore, like the young person who decides to live hedonistically upon their own chosen arbitrary values, society is now doing the same thing. It's called legal misconduct of Gods laws.

Only problem is there will be judgement day when ever knee shall bow, even the atheists but it will be to late
to make a plea as God doesn't make deals to His laws.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #622
Bible, by Christians, Muslims

don't make the rules any more.

an artificial notion dreamt up by a bunch of fanatical perverts.

The Supreme Court of the United States of America? Her Majesty's Government of the United Kingdom, La Republique Francaise?

Bollocks!

Eloquent of you, and fortunate for those who favour equality that this is the level of the antis' response.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
4 Jul 2015 #623
Gee jon, we seem to keep pushing your buttons don't we.
Is that because our TRUTH can only be argued with your false dreams.

Bible, by Christians, Muslimsdon't make the rules any more

I agree with that, did you miss what I posted above ?

Of course this is why atheist are atheist is because they have no basis for law that is fixed, therefore, like the young person who decides to live hedonistically upon their own chosen arbitrary values, society is now doing the same thing.

I only honor man's laws (society law) if they agree with God's laws.

an artificial notion dreamt up by a bunch of fanatical perverts.

And those 1.5% of artificial fanatical perverts will never be able to force me to accept sin.
We may be forced to live with it but we will never accept it.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #624
our TRUTH

No buttons to push. I'll stand up against bigotry at any time - fortunately so does the law in Europe and Poland.

I only honor man's laws (society law) if they agree with God's laws.

Which God? There are so many to choose from...
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
4 Jul 2015 #625
I'll stand up against bigotry at any time

I'll stand up against sin at any time even if the word bigot is used against me.
Poland laws ? Poland's law recognizes that marrigae is between a man and woman.
They don't condone otherwise, they only tolerate the artificial fanatical perverts

Which God?

The one that you will answer to come judgement day as in "Meet your Maker jon !"
That one, but no surprise you ask since you obviously don't know Him.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2015 #626
artificial notion dreamt up by a bunch of fanatical perverts

No, the supreme courts and governments did not dream up these deviant buzzwords and slogans -- the pervert groups did and used heavily bankrolled, persistent and all-pervasive propaganda to brainwash, intimidate and blackmail people into accepting it. No more, no less!
Vox - | 175
4 Jul 2015 #627
I'll stand up against bigotry at any time

Don't make me laugh, you couldn't stand up with arguments if your life depended on it, all you do is a repetitive crooning of few slogans interwoven with causally thrown insults at those who disagree with your radical neo-Marxist views.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
4 Jul 2015 #628
No, the supreme courts and governments did not dream up these deviant buzzwords and slogans -- the pervert groups did and used heavily bankrolled, persistent and all-pervasive propaganda to brainwash, intimidate and blackmail people into accepting it. No more, no less!

Who is bankrolling them, Polonius?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2015 #629
Who is bankrolling them,

Hollywood and the entertainment industry as well as various corporations and foundations are bankrolling homosexual and lesbian advocacy. An inside look at the programmes and initiatives of homosexual advocacy. Notice the focus of many programmes is on youth, even children -- promoting pro-homosexual curricula and counselling in even elementary schools.)

A partial list is found here:
dianedew.com/gayles.htm

One can just envisage some homo-promoting PF-ers contacting these corporations in hopes of getting a slice of the pie!
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2015 #630
Who is bankrolling them, Polonius?

Quite. Some people just see a conspiracy. Though all those lame examples concern matters in America. Not one word about it in Europe, specifically Poland, since it doesn't happen there either...

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