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Coup d'état taking shape in Poland with Soros in background?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Jul 2017  #1
More and more information is emerging to suggest that a Polish Maidan is now being planned. Bartosz Kramek, who heads the Sorosesque Open Dialogue Fondation whcih helped shape and influence Kyiv's Maidan, has revealed plans on how to carry out a similar putsch in Poland. His Ukrainian wife Ludmila Kozlovska serves as liasion with the sinister Hungarian-Jewish speculator George Soros. Similar instructions have been provided by Michał Broniatowski who set up an internet TV channel Espresso TV which also played an important role in the Ukrainian upheaval. The son of Jewish Stalinists (his father was sentenced by Free Poland for communist subversion in the 1930s), Broniatowski, chief editor of Forbes Monthly, has provided point by point instructions on how to bring about a coup in Poland. That includes:

**finding a socially relevant cause to MOBILISE YOUNG PEOPLE (the sudden appearanace of youth in Wrocław, Gdańsk and Warsaw is obviously part of an organised campaign)

**Initially MINOR SCUFFLES WITH POLICE (that is already happening at Smolensk obsevances and judicial protests)
**MPs (supporting the coup) must be prepared to SET UP TENTS at a moment's notice marked with signs "Biuro Poselskie" (MP Bureau) as that will give them parliamentary immunity

**creation of SELF-DEFENCE UNITS with the proviso that "we should take great pains to avoid a provocation"
**Constant presence of ENTERETAINERS ON STAGE (this is a new element in Poland's protest wave, based on the conviction that nothing whips up emotions better than rousing protest songs).

**Clergy support (here the non-Catholic Broniatowski showed he was out of sync with Poland's heartbeat since the Churchoverwhelmingly supports Law and Justice).

dorzeczy.pl/kraj/36445/Kolejna-instrukcja-na-polski-Majdan-Niech-panstwo-stanie-wylaczmy-rzad.html
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Jul 2017  #2
putsch in Poland

PiS' website gas been down for the past 24 hours. Is this yet another step along the road to a coup by pro-scamster hackers?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Jul 2017  #3
Coup d'état

AMid Poland's currently tense pre-putsch atmosphere Wałęsa has come up with his own unique presciption to resolve the situation, He wrote on Facebook:

"To protect Poland agaisnt civil war 15,000 people from the governingn camp should be arrested as soon as possible including politician Rydzyk."

wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/polityka/artykuly/554283,lech-walesa-wojna-domowa-areszt-jak-uchronic.html

"Aby uchronić Ojczyznę od wojny domowej trzeba jak najszybciej aresztować około 15 ludzi z obecnej władzy w tym polityka Rydzyka" - napisał na Facebooku były prezydent.
mafketis 20 | 7,243
23 Jul 2017  #4
along the road to a coup

Relax, the only person around here who actually tried to carry off a coup was your idol Macierewicz back in 1992.

PiS' website gas been down for the past 24 hours.

maybe you just need a better connection, just checked and it's fine (not in terms of content but it works)
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Jul 2017  #5
tried to carry off a coup

Yes, but it was the Wałęsa-led plotters that actually succeeded. And that was what launched the never-ending Polish-Polish war that has poisoned the country ever since. Probably it would be impossible toe ven rekaibylk estimate the maoutn of tiemn, national welath nad humna energy that has been wasted when cooperation was overshadowed by antagonism. And to think de-communisation could have been carried out within a coupla years, allowing the new free Poland to be built on a solid foundation, untainted by the residue of Soviet occupation and the totalitarian past. Unfortunately, people such as the sons of Stalinists, Soviet-trained generals and others with a vested interest in upholidng the values of the ostensibly defunct PZPR regime were given too much say and now 27 years on, we are still fighting the painful and wasteful Polish-Polish war.
mafketis 20 | 7,243
23 Jul 2017  #6
And that was what launched the never-ending Polish-Polish war

only in the minds of JK and those who are simply unable to thrive in a non-communist system...
jon357 63 | 14,124
23 Jul 2017  #7
toe ven rekaibylk estimate the maoutn of tiemn, national welath nad humna

Icelandic? Faeroese? Bøkmål?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,503
23 Jul 2017  #8
15,000 people from the governingn camp should be arrested as soon as possible

trzeba jak najszybciej aresztować około 15 ludzi z obecnej władzy

So 15,000 people or 15 people? That makes a big difference!

Why are you spreading fake news in English?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Jul 2017  #9
non-communist system...

History always repeatds itself. The names and places may vary but the basic principles remain the saem. We are in an alt-colonial situation. The elitists are the colonial landowners, slave-drivers and exploiters and the Polish nation are the downtrodden natives. Colonial reality ended asfter WW2 when the tables turned and the colonialists had to high-tail it home. One wonders where Poland's elitist opposition will go atfer they get defeated.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
23 Jul 2017  #10
toe ven rekaibylk estimate the maoutn of tiemn, national welath nad humna

to even reliably estimate the amount of time, national wealth and human... - it is perhaps difficult to decypher it at first glance but with a little effort it's possible
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Jul 2017  #11
little effort

You are hereby appointed to the post of PF's official cryptologist!
jon357 63 | 14,124
23 Jul 2017  #12
but with a little effort it's possible

Or no effort at all, if you're used to reading drunken screeds.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
23 Jul 2017  #13
You are hereby appointed to the post of PF's official cryptologist!

hhahah thank you ;)
jon357 63 | 14,124
23 Jul 2017  #14
Interesting that a PiS activist has admitted today that they've paid for people to attend some sort of silly counter protest, one that didn't work.
Wulkan - | 3,251
23 Jul 2017  #15
Interesting that a PiS activist

which?
Kiellybasa - | 5
25 Jul 2017  #16
You guys know that the Soros conspiracy theories exported to you from America are actually only things that the tin hat-wearing right wing conspiracy theorists believe, right? I mean, we laugh our asses off at that ****. Please don't take whatever you're hearing from America about Soros seriously. Stop your government from destroying the judicial branch and democracy in Poland before it's too late. Trump and Putin are closing in.
Harry
25 Jul 2017  #17
"To protect Poland agaisnt civil war 15,000 people from the governingn camp should be arrested as soon as possible including politician Rydzyk."

Really? Let's do what neither of the readers of the Podunk Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette were ever able to do and check the source where it is reported a statement by a Solidarnosc member is made:

wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/polityka/artykuly/554283,lech-walesa-wojna-domowa-areszt-jak-uchronic.html

The title of that piece is

Wałęsa: Trzeba jak najszybciej aresztować około 15 ludzi z obecnej władzy. W tym polityka Rydzyka

Walesa: You need to arrest about 15 people from the current government as soon as possible. Include under that policy Rydzyk.

Note how in the original it is "15" but after it's been repeated by the mouthpiece of Radio Maybach it has grown a thousand times. Pravda would be proud!

Walesa is of course over-estimating, this crisis could be solved with a single arrest and fair trial.
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2017  #18
Walesa:

Did you really have to embarrass yourself with this lame translation?

"There is a need to arrest 15 people from the current government as soon as possible. Including the politician Rydzyk"

No wonder you are often so confused about Polish matters, your comprehension issues with the language are shocking.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
25 Jul 2017  #19
and after 15 or more years in Poland
gumishu 11 | 5,012
25 Jul 2017  #20
this crisis could be solved with a single arrest and fair trial.

and what charges do you have in mind, if I may ask?
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2017  #21
and after 15 or more years in Poland

at least 22 years

You guys know that the Soros conspiracy theories

Unfortunately those are well proven facts.

Trump and Putin are closing in.

Talk about conspiracy theories.
Harry
25 Jul 2017  #22
what charges do you have in mind

Ordering his minions to break the Polish constitution for a start. And we can probably throw in criminal libel charges after his latest outburst too.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
25 Jul 2017  #23
Ordering his minions to break the Polish constitution for a start.

what articles of the constitution got broken
Harry
25 Jul 2017  #24
what articles

Article 190.1 and 190.2 for a start.

Talk about conspiracy theories.

Talk about off-topic ad hom trolling. But then you really don't want people talking about facts, do you, given how all of the facts are against you and your ilk.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
25 Jul 2017  #25
Article 190.1 and 190.2 for a start.

Constitutional Tribunal is bound by law as well and the instances where some judges of the Constitutional Tribunal claimed to make a ruling where not legal according to the law about the Constitutional Tribunal at that time
Harry
25 Jul 2017  #26
Constitutional Tribunal is bound by law

Art. 195.1 "Judges of the Constitutional Court, in executing their office, are independent and bound only by the Constitution". But I do completely understand that you and Wulky neither know nor care what the Constitution says.

the instances where some judges of the Constitutional Tribunal claimed to make a ruling where not legal according to the law about the Constitutional Tribunal at that time

Your argument is not only directly contradicted by the Polish constitution but also logic. If a constitutional tribunal were to be bound by laws about the constitutional tribunal, all a government which had 50% + 1 vote in the Sejm would need to do to completely remove that constitutional tribunal would be to pass a law stating that before voting on any decision of the constitutional tribunal a constitutional tribunal judge would need to remove his/her own head with a chainsaw. Then the government would be able to correctly state that because the constitutional tribunal had passed a decision in breach of binding law that decision was invalid. Fortunately the writers of the constitution saw that potential weakness and so addressed it with Art. 195.1.
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Jul 2017  #27
off-topic ad hom trolling.

where?

But then you really don't want people talking about facts

I want you to start talking facts for once.

given how all of the facts are against you

Conspiracy theories are against me but why should I care?

But I do completely understand that you and Wulky neither know nor care what the Constitution says.

Just like you didn't care about the constitution when PO used to break it.
Harry
26 Jul 2017  #28
Wałęsa has come up with his own unique presciption to resolve the situation, He wrote on Facebook:

"To protect Poland agaisnt civil war 15,000 people from the governingn camp should be arrested as soon as possible including politician Rydzyk."

Is our 'Polish' 'friend' Polonius ever going to apologise for that vile lie?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
26 Jul 2017  #29
to apologise

Why don't you apologise for Popiełuszko's killers and their higher-ups who ordered it?
Re July 2017 -- It was all part of hotting up the amtosphere on both sides of the barridcade. Wałęsa said on FB that 15 PiS people hsould be arested and someone passed it on adding three zeroes. I happened to see it online at the 15,000 stage.

Just like the oppositon is still waiting for a 5AM knock ont he door and claimed a PiS-controlled High Court would annul election results it disapproved of. The amoutn of BS ciruclating over the past 2 weeks has certianly set a record, probably even more codswallop than in your posts.

In general, loudmouth Anglo-expats should not be allowed to interfere in and pontificate about Poland's internal affairs.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
26 Jul 2017  #30
Wałęsa said on FB that 15 PiS people

Even if it was only 15, is that how a Nobel Peace Prize winner is supposed to act?Who was to arrest them? Maybe instant imprisonment or even execution without worrying about such niceties as a trial?!


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