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Closet homosexual politicians in Poland


Varsovian 92 | 634    
11 Aug 2014  #1
When was the last time someone was outed in Polish politics? Just curious :)
Harry    
11 Aug 2014  #2
I don't think anybody ever has been outed. I'm not sure that many people in Poland even care, there was certainly remarkably little attention paid when that clearly gay bloke became prime minister.
OP Varsovian 92 | 634    
11 Aug 2014  #3
I'm sure Tusk isn't gay
Harry    
11 Aug 2014  #4
I've certainly never heard anybody say that he is; however, I can't make the same statement about the previous PM.
smurf 39 | 1,983    
11 Aug 2014  #5
Jaro KaczyƄski was outed by Walesa, that was funny.
OP Varsovian 92 | 634    
11 Aug 2014  #6
Are there any photos?

Oh - I thought not. Shame.
Harry    
11 Aug 2014  #7
Are there any photos?

Nope, his 'active' years were back before everybody carried a digital camera around in their pocket.

Shame.

Not really: one would need to be exceedingly sick to think that photos of that duck on the job were a good thing to have.
OP Varsovian 92 | 634    
11 Aug 2014  #8
Oh, so who did he go to bed with, then?
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034    
11 Aug 2014  #9
Nope, his 'active' years were back before everybody carried a digital camera around in their pocket.

You know your vicious comments like these ones only support the claims of certain right wing papers that Kaczynski [and his late brother] have been viciously attacked during their time in politics. You're not helping your cause and are only helping them prove their point, that people like you behave in an uncivilized way.

By the way, there is no way Jaroslaw Kaczynski is gay.
Harry    
11 Aug 2014  #10
there is no way Jaroslaw Kaczynski is gay.

Really? And might one ask what information and/or experiences you are basing that statement on? There would be nothing at all wrong with him being gay, not in my eyes anyway, your vision seems to be much different to mine.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034    
11 Aug 2014  #11
We're not talking about right and wrong. What on earth are you basing your assumption on? It seems to be very in fashion these days to claim people are gay, just because they're not married, or even when two guys are close friends. I don't know if you have heard of Ant and Dec? British guys from Newcastle who have been friends since childhood and have done TV together for a long time. One of them is married, the other had a girlfriend. One of them is a practicing Catholic as well, but, they're close friends, they must be gay!

Jaroslaw Kaczynski has very strong Catholic beliefs too and his own party is against legalizing gay marriage or gay adoption, they are pro Catholicism and supported by most of the Catholic Church. What are you suggesting, that he's just living a lie? You're just trying to be provocative. You know it's an absurd statement.
Harry    
11 Aug 2014  #12
What on earth are you basing your assumption on?

Sworn statements from men who say they had sex with him; off-the-record conversations with people who used the same saunas/clubs as him, public statements from former friends and colleagues, things like that.

that he's just living a lie?

I'm not sure that I'd use that tense, it seems that these days he's celibate.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034    
11 Aug 2014  #13
Hmmm, false claims being made against a politician you might not like, that never happens. Or even being paid to make false claims about a politician, by that politicians opposition, never.

Have any of these former colleagues and friends revealed their names? I wonder why they are former? Is it because they made up lies about him and he doesn't want to know them anymore? You make a lot of claims I have never heard before, so some sources and links would be nice, otherwise it's just your word.
Harry    
11 Aug 2014  #14
Hmmm, false claims being made against a politician you might not like, that never happens.

At least in Poland, if you make a sworn statement about a politician and it turns out you are lying, you face a very real prospect of going to prison.

Have any of these former colleagues and friends revealed their names?

Lech Walesa has been known to joke on TVP1 that the Kaczynski twins had come to his birthday party one year and that "Lech came with his wife and Jaroslaw came with his husband." Another former colleague, Andrzej Lepper, also joked about JK not dating women. Wojciech Jasinki, government minister and old friend of JK said in an interview for TVP they liked to have a party, to dance and drink and that while he dated girls "Jaroslaw-never." Strangely that part of the interview was cut from the broadcast and the journalist who had asked the questions was fired.

And then we also have the secret police files that Rzeczpolita published:

Poland's second-most important newspaper, Rzeczpolita, published documents-some only recently declassified, and some that were leaked-from the files of the Polish Secret Service that discussed Prime Minister Kaczynski's homosexuality. As part of an investigation, begun in 1992, of right-wing political parties that, the documents said, "could threaten democracy," a Secret Service department then headed by Colonel Jan Lesiak reported, "It is advisable to establish if Jaroslaw Kaczynski remains in a long-term homosexual relationship and, if so, who his partner is."

gaycitynews/gcn_542/polandsantigaypremier.html
Marysienka 1 | 195    
11 Aug 2014  #15
While I don't believe him to be homosexual ( more in denial than closeted) but if he were he would have to hide very well with being a leader of rather homophobic party with even more homophobic electorate
smurf 39 | 1,983    
11 Aug 2014  #16
there is no way Jaroslaw Kaczynski is gay.

You can prove that?

Nice work Harry.

Case closed on that I'd say.
Couldn't care less that he is. Actually I think if it was public knowledge it would be accepted by the silent majority. Sure the Church would go mad, but that's OK, if they want to be left behind in the last century that's their business.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
12 Aug 2014  #17
While I don't believe him to be homosexual ( more in denial than closeted)

In denial still makes him homosexual.

By the way, he isn't alone in the Sejm - there are other closet cases too.
Barney 14 | 1,470    
12 Aug 2014  #18
When was the last time someone was outed in Polish politics?

Outing is a thoroughly disgraceful practice those doing it should be ashamed.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034    
12 Aug 2014  #19
Case closed on that I'd say.

You what? Are you taking that as proof? The great smurf decides to close the case as it is now confirmed. Get real. The only link provided was from what looks like a New York website called gay city news. That's the most credible site you could find on this issue. Oh, that and a bunch of jokes that have apparently been made about him. Wow, yeah, great work, smurf says case closed so it must be case closed then. What foolishness.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
12 Aug 2014  #20
Outing is a thoroughly disgraceful practice those doing it should be ashamed.

That depends. A politician voting trumpeting homophobia while living a double life him or herself is fair game to have their hypocrisy called out by others affected by the laws they make. Cardinal O'Brien, preaching one thing to thousands all dressed up in the pulpit of his cathedral while doing another is also fair game.

Oh, that and a bunch of jokes that have apparently been made about hi

By Lech Walesa on live tv among others. I'm not sure why you're banging on about a 'link'. Real life is not the internet.
OP Varsovian 92 | 634    
12 Aug 2014  #21
Would a married politician have problems if he had a gay affair?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,307    
12 Aug 2014  #22
You seem to be very inquisitive about all these gay affairs and so on. Are you a closeted gay?

Personally, I believe that if JK was gay, there would be some proof for that other than mere gossip. These days, people would be tempted to sell their gay love affaires stories with JK, if they had any, to "Fakt" or Super Express" or other tabloids to get a few cents. Those tabloids would in turn be tempted to pay them a few cents to have front-page stories running for several days. If this doesn't happen, the alleged gay affairs of JK are just gossip based on the fact that he has never been married.
OP Varsovian 92 | 634    
12 Aug 2014  #23
But would a married politician have to resign if he had a gay affair? I mean, you never know - these things sometimes happen and photos are sometimes taken. Would Platforma find it embarrassing, especially if the lover was involved in shady dealings? I mean, PO is supposed to be open-minded, isn't it?
smurf 39 | 1,983    
12 Aug 2014  #24
Are you taking that as proof?

Maybe you're not sure with the whole idea of sworn testimony.
I suggest that you look it up post haste.

Harry has shown it, you can go look it up yourself.

Why does it matter?
So what if he is gay?
Who are you to judge someone based on their sexuality?

I wouldn't dare judge him on his sexuality, I judge him on his batsh!t crazy political ideals.
OP Varsovian 92 | 634    
12 Aug 2014  #25
So I take it PO wouldn't have a problem if a married politician had a gay affair with a shady character and there was photographic evidence. Well, that's set my mind at rest then.
Harry    
12 Aug 2014  #26
Would a married politician have problems if he had a gay affair?

Most probably not, not unless he was from a party whose electorate would simply not vote for a homosexual, and even then a lot of those supporters would simply shut their eyes to any and all proof about what happened.

I mean, you never know - these things sometimes happen

It's no secret that more than a few Polish politicians enjoy the company of ladies of negotiable affection. One particular former deputy prime minister was even noted for telling the said ladies that he was paying them from party funds, and then buying their underwear from them making a big deal of that being bought with his own money. The story was well known to the press but was never anywhere near being published, not even when he made some very unwise comments about ladies of negotiable affection. Poles just don't seem interested in that kind of story.

and photos are sometimes taken.

Which can't then be published due to Polish law saying what it does. Even publishing legitimate news stories can be hard enough, look at what happened to Poland Monthly with that story they did about PZU.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034    
12 Aug 2014  #27
Who are you to judge someone based on their sexuality?

That's the second time that you are trying to turn the subject of this conversation. It's about false accusations.

So a former president who does not like Kaczynski, joked about him bringing his boyfriend, and some gay [who probably does not like Kaczynski and his party for his and their anti gay views] has testified about Kaczynski being gay, as far as we know, since it was only posted on one gay oriented website, and you'd have thought that a story like this would make more mainstream media.
smurf 39 | 1,983    
12 Aug 2014  #28
It's about false accusations.

I would like to direct you to the title of this thread:

"Closet homosexual politicians in Poland"

Also, the post by the OP:

When was the last time someone was outed in Polish politics? Just curious :)

I realise that reading isn't your forte, but please try to understand this thread is about politicians who have been outed as being homosexual. It's not about what you think it's about.

has testified about Kaczynski being ga

Again, you're readings skills let you down.
I point to this:

if you make a sworn statement about a politician and it turns out you are lying, you face a very real prospect of going to prison.

So, if this guy was lying, then Jarek would've made sure he was a) sued for a ton of money for defamation of character and b) sent to prison.

Clear as day, it makes no difference whether you accept it or not.
Harry    
12 Aug 2014  #29
you'd have thought that a story like this would make more mainstream media.

Rzeczpolita is about as mainstream as Polish media gets and they covered this story. Why do you have such problems with reading simple sentences?
Englishman 2 | 278    
12 Aug 2014  #30
I don't know if you have heard of Ant and Dec?

There are many things I could say against Ant and Dec, but being gay isn't one of them. But I can see how someone might think they were in the closet - before Ant married they shared a house, and even now they live just a few doors apart.

BTW, didn't a Polish politician, Ewa Sowinska, once announce a 'probe' (nudge, nudge!) into Tellytubby character Tinky Winky, whose colourful appearance and penchant for handbags she thought could indicate homosexuality? Maybe she should have been looking across the Cabinet table instead...


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