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Candidate for Poland's National Bank NBP chief Glapiński wants repolonisation of banks


OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
21 May 2016 #31
coalition is on 26%

What coalition? One doesn't maek a colaiton with a party that hasn't cleared the 5% threshold. It's unlikely the PSL will make into the Sejm next time round. According to normal arithmetic it's 37% for PiS and 35% for the losers' camp. The latter are likely to lose support if they continue their anti-Polish rabble-rousing. Average Poles feel Poland is being bullied by the EU mainly because of Schetyna-Petru sustained snitchery (in the original -- donosy).

oined Wałęsa's chancellery

The Kaczyńskis played a key role in Wałęsa's presidential campaign. Later their relations soured but it was not until the 1992 parliamentary coup that a total rift occurred. Porozumienie Centrum was the only party with not a single ex-PZPR member of TW in their ranks. The Nocna Zmiana marked the start of the Polish-Polish war which continues to plague the country at present and most likely will drag on into the future, wasting much human energy and financial resources

that could be put to much better use.
mafketis 36 | 10,850
22 May 2016 #32
the 1992 parliamentary coup

AKA an unpopular and mostly incompetent government lost a vote of no-confidence - not a coup at all and repeating a lie thousands of times will not make it truth.

Not a coup.

The Nocna Zmiana marked the start of the Polish-Polish war

Yes, the war between people with at least one foot in reality and people living in a fantasy world who stamp their feet in infantile rage when reality doesn't cooperate.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
22 May 2016 #33
one foot in reality

So you think only the Magdalenka clique, known for their backroom deals with the commies, should run the country indefinitely as they have for the past 26 years? You also approve of the Soros-Sachs-inspired Balcerowicz scheme to destroy Poland's industrial base? You also favour PRL-era political, police nad military brass gettign fat-cat pension while many of those they oppressed live in poverty? And you want to keep Poland a neo-colonial state serving foreign interest groups with cheap manpower and assembly sites? If so, be sure to vote for the PO scamsters.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,177
22 May 2016 #34
AKA an unpopular and mostly incompetent government lost a vote of no-confidence - not a coup at all and repeating a lie thousands of times will not make it truth.

You forgot to mention that the government in question had what, around 130 seats in the Sejm? I'm not surprised it fell - as we've been over many times, even Kaczyński was plotting against the government despite his party being in power.
mafketis 36 | 10,850
22 May 2016 #35
Kaczyński was plotting against the government despite his party being in power

The little sneaky guy just can't help it... that's one of the reasons the first PiS government failed, he loved scheming and backroom deals so much that he could never stick to a deal that he made...

So you think only the Magdalenka clique

I'm saying there's no such thing. It's a fairytale, a myth created by smooth liars for the Losertariat so they can feel better about their post 1990 failures.

Of course a lot of things could have been handled better in 1989-90 if a person has 20/20 hindsight. What the grumblers keep forgetting is that everybody was flying blind, exiting a communist centrally planned failed economy for capitalism in an organized manner had not been done before. PiS supporters like to pretend that there was a well-established protocol that evil Magdalenites were breaking but there was no such thing, just a bunch of nervous people tryng something new and hoping it wouldn't blow up.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,177
22 May 2016 #36
that's one of the reasons the first PiS government failed, he loved scheming and backroom deals so much that he could never stick to a deal that he made...

It's already going on now - look at the way that Szydło was left to humiliate herself on Friday, and how they left the debating chamber on command of Kaczyński and not her. Obviously Morawiecki is the new favourite child, and Szydło is being thrown to the wolves.

What the grumblers keep forgetting is that everybody was flying blind, exiting a communist centrally planned failed economy for capitalism in an organized manner had not been done before.

I read something by Jeffrey Sachs that explains exactly this - they really had no idea what they were doing, and they were simply trying to stabilise the country and try and get some relief on the debts so that the country could at least function somewhat normally - all the while having to cope with a government that had no real unity.
landofthunder
22 May 2016 #37
A country that prints its own money creates and keeps its own wealth for the good of its people = ONLY.
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...As it is, Polish Central Bank is owned by The Rothschilds Family, Via The Federal Reserve Bank, which is a private Jewish organization, with psychopaths like Soros. It would be interesting to see Poland become independent of 'Orange Juice'. [33* Juice]. 4 USA Presidents tried it and were moved along. Gaddafi and S. Husain were moved on. Only Iran and North Korea are not parasitized. NK has been declared anti-Semitic for not letting Orange Juice in, [666].

...Intermarium is back on the agenda and China is building a fast track railway to Estonia. Something big is up! Prediction from Arthur Kemp = within 20 years Eastern Europe will be White Europe. By creating its own credit, Poland might be able to control the predicted influx of rabid Germans and totally untrustworthy English cowards. Whilst German bullies are destroying themselves from within, their Alt.Right Nazis are continuing to claim Silesia and Prussia as their own. Arguing with arrogance is a waste of time, keep it out or remove its teeth.

...The Slavic names in the Polish Banks - are there other names hidden beneath?
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Learn something for a change:

corbettreport.com/episode-292-century-of-enslavement-the-history-of-the-federal-reserve/
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
22 May 2016 #38
I'm saying there's no such thing. It's a fairytale

So it's just a make-believe fairy tale that the same 1989 Magdalenka and 1992 parliamentary "coup" schemers were still running the show until 2015. Only Kuroń had died in the meantime and Moczulski has disappeared from view. Is that because in your view they are all the most gifted, virtuous and sterling statesmen or simply the smoothest, slickest and glibbest poltical wheeler-dealers?

Jeffrey Sachs

Sachs and Soros inspired Balcerowicz to destroy Poland's industrial base via so-called "privatisation" meaning selling things off for a song to foreign interest groups. A dynamic entrepreneuship programme at that time could have salvaged and modernised much of what was effectively sold off or destroyed. The proof is the world demand for Polish motor vehicles, bicycles, light aircraft, appliances, Radio-TV equipment sporting gear and many other products. The Polonez hatchback and its predecessor the 125P saloon were exported to a couple dozen countries including Britain, France. Denmark, China, Egypt, Greece, Holland and Spain. They were even assembled in a number of countries. That is not to suggest that these products could compete in quality with more established Western brands but many were a good value for their money and with proper pro-Polish management could have been modernised and upgraded to meet growing market requirements.
mafketis 36 | 10,850
22 May 2016 #39
schemers were still running the show until 2015

has PiS's first government been tossed down the rabbit hole of un-events?

inspired Balcerowicz to destroy Poland's industrial base via so-called "privatisation" meaning selling things off for a song to foreign interest groups

Most of Poland's industrial base was worthless without forced Soviet-dominated comecon contracts. Many factories' debts were far more than their assets.
Of course mistakes were made in the process but retooling the industrial base to be competitive without comecon would have required massive amounts of capital and time (if either were available there was no reason to exit the Soviet sphere in the first place).

But you know all this already, you're probably a paid shill. It's just to counteract your constant pampers misinformation with occasional bouts of accuracy.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
22 May 2016 #40
required massive amounts of capital

The collapse of the (Soviet) "Evil Empire" and liberation of half of Europe from the Soviet yoke was received in Ameirca and elsehere in the Free World with great enrthusiasm. If the "founding fathers" of III RP had tapped into that exuberant elation adn properly approached the US, probably the necessary capital for independent industrial devleopment could have been acquirwed. But that was not in the interests of the Soros agenda and how it ended up everyone can see: next to zero major Polish-owned industrial assets -- meaning automotive, aircraft, computer, RTV, etc. manufacturing facilities employing thousands and exporting their products world-wide.

BTW where do I report or sign up to get paid for what you call shilling? The opinion expressed here are what I have always sincerely believed and reported in the US Polonian press, but if someone is willing to pay me for it, why not?!

PiS's first government

PiS in 2005-2007at first tried to go it alone as a minority govt but that didn't work so they took on partners: Lepper and Giertych. Trying to goverrn with such unruly sidekicks was an uphill struggle, so PiS were unable to achieve what they had planned. The 4th Republic project was aimed at curtailing the Magdalenka monopoly and stranglehold on Polish affairs and development. As the outright winner of the last election the govt can now pursue their good change agenda without obstacles thrown in their path by unreliable coalition partners.

pampers misinformation

There was even a court case agaisnt Biedronka over the "peeing at the check-out" business.
wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1347,title,Kasjerka-z-Biedronki-zsikala-sie-siedzac-przy-kasie,wid,10962162,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=1170df

Are you able to personally verify every bit of news that comes your way? If so, you must be Superman or at least Captain Britain!
mafketis 36 | 10,850
22 May 2016 #41
There was even a court case

An isolated incident 7 years ago that did not involve pampers.... reaching much?
Harry
22 May 2016 #42
The opinion expressed here are what I have always sincerely believed and reported in the US Polonian press

Really? I can't recall reading any anti-Semitic ranting in the US Polonia press. Perhaps people right differently when they aren't hiding behind made-up names.

Oops, sorry about that, the perils of posting from one's phone. I meant that people write differently when they are able to sign their posts with a made-up name.
Wulkan - | 3,212
22 May 2016 #43
Oops, sorry about that, the perils of posting from one's phone.

Still doesn't make sense, you should see a doctor with your anti-Semitic obsession.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
22 May 2016 #44
edited

An isolated incident

But there's a big difference between an isolated case and something made up.
BTW do you think supermarket cashiers in Poland are paid a fair wage by ultra-mega-rich foregn retail chains??
mafketis 36 | 10,850
22 May 2016 #45
But there's a big difference between an isolated case and something made up.

Your (oft repeated) claim was that cashiers in large supermarket chains routinely had to wear pampers while working because..... (I was never very clear on the cause)

There is no evidence whatsoever that that has ever happened. The isolated incident you found shouldn't have happened but it did not involve an employee having to wear pampers. And it's worth noting that the chain in question no longer really has cashiers as a single position as all employees do things like stock the shelves and man the cash registers on an as-needed basis. The employees certainly don't seem very downtrodden or exploited.

do you think supermarket cashiers in Poland are paid a fair wage by ultra-mega-rich foregn retail chains

How much do they make versus how much do you think semi-skilled labor should make?
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
22 May 2016 #46
anti-Semitic ranting

Because there is no anti-Semitic ranting on PF either, at least not on my part. As you'll recall, Ihave repeatedly said Poles should be more like Jews: stick together rather than being at each others' throats and spring to their nation's defence rather than snitch to outsiders against one's own country (KOD style). And emulation is the highest form of praise. The value placed by Jews on education over the centuries has paid off for them, resulting in their dominant, often controlling position in science, arts, academia and government, as attested to i.a. by the number of Nobel Prizes they have won. That does not blind one however to the atrocities committed against Poles by the Bermans, Brystygiers, Romkowskis, Mietkowskis, Michniks, Różańskis and many, many others. And all those things I have written about in the US Polonia press over the years.

Being the gifted cyber-stalker you are, I'm sure you have ways of calling them up.
BTW: R U 1 2?

quote=mafketis]How much do they make[/quote]
Minimum wage. Many if not most semi-skilled work under the table and probably earn more than minimum wagers.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,177
22 May 2016 #47
Minimum wage.

Except they don't. Most supermarkets pay above the minimum wage and most of them use umowa o pracę. On the other hand, Polish chains like Empik and franchises like Żabka were and are notorious for using junk contracts.

The worst employers in Poland tend to be Polish, funnily enough. It's the same reason why international companies have enjoyed so much success attracting workers here and why Polish companies are so unappealing.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
22 May 2016 #48
"If you don't cheat a goy early on, it's a wasted day".

But I learnt that from Jews. It's as common amongst them as "an applie a day keeps the doctor away" is for Anglo-goyim or Ordnung muß sein for the Gerries.

The Talmud, which I'm sure you're familair with, clearly describes what Goyim are good for. I'll let you research it independently if you don't already know.

use umowa o pracę

Looks as though the good-change govt went after the jubk contracts. Good for them!
BTW pollster TNS Polska found that if the presidential election were held today, Duda would get 60% and Komorowski 40% of the vote. Last May Duda won by only about 3 points. Among the 18-29 years olds some 70% would vote for Duda. Anaylsts are saying that the good-change govt is following through on their pledges, foremost amongst them 500+. All the ranting and snitching is onyl turning young Poles away from the losers' camp. KOD and their stooges are really p*ssing in the wind!
mafketis 36 | 10,850
22 May 2016 #49
Looks as though the good-change govt went after the jubk contracts. Good for them!

An attack on Polish business since it's usually Polish owned companies that abuse that particular loophole..... doh!
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
22 May 2016 #50
Polish business

Polish or any other business cannot abuse or underpay workers. Ideally, Polish businesses should set a shining example for them bloody furriners to emulate!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,177
23 May 2016 #51
Sorry Polonius, but supermarkets were using umowa o pracę long before PiS got into power. PiS are actually turning a blind eye to the abuses carried out by Polish businesses at the moment.

You're very right - they should set a shining example. The problem is that as most people in Poland know, Polish employers tend to be very unprofessional and tend to pay very badly in comparison to their international peers.
Crow 155 | 9,030
23 May 2016 #52
pan Glapiński is wise.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
23 May 2016 #53
turning a blind eye to the abuses

If you feel so strongly abotu it, go and report it to the police, prosecutor or whomever.

Polish employers

Only proves my point. Instead of dynamically launching a Polish enterpreneurship education campaign in the early 1990s, Balcerowicz listened to Soros & Sachs and started wtih the destruction of Poland's industrial base.
mafketis 36 | 10,850
23 May 2016 #54
Instead of dynamically launching a Polish enterpreneurship education campaign in the early 1990s

From what I remember 'shock therapy' was pretty darn dynamic and small-scaled entrepreneurship fairly exploded all over the place with thousands of people starting small businesses. Most of them failed but most small businesses fail.

But honestly, if you had survived the Titanic you would have criticised the captain for not launching a campaign to repair the boat....
Mr Wiech 2 | 38
23 May 2016 #55
From what I remember 'shock therapy' was pretty darn dynamic and small-scaled entrepreneurship

You must be die hard Balcerowicz. Most worlds leading ecomomic authorities including those who were advocating shock therapy for post-communits countries admitted to an error in judgement.
mafketis 36 | 10,850
23 May 2016 #56
admitted to an error in judgement.

Aha! Of course it was an error in judgement and not a sinister cabal by the Jews to destroy the glemaing, state of the art industrial base of that economic powerhouse, the PRL....

I've always said mistakes were made (this was absolutely new territory and people were acting out of desperation and hope), but dwelling on them and pretending that the mistakes were intentional rather than.... mistakes gets the country nowhere and nurses the sore loser mentality that is a large liability for Poland.
Mr Wiech 2 | 38
23 May 2016 #57
and nurses the sore loser mentality

not a sinister cabal by the Jews

Hello friend how are u? Are u feeling well?
We know without a doubt that Balcerowicz reforms were a big mistake. It is wise to learn from mistakes. In this case who is going to pay for repolonisation of banks, to take them over by the state is rather out of the qestion.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
23 May 2016 #58
small-scaled entrepreneurship fairly exploded all over the place

Yes, but where you here at the time? Poles travelling to Germany in their cars to bring back a bootful of lemons and those selling chewing gum, lighters, garlic, cheap shampoos, shoelaces and other doodads on the streets right off newspapers spread on the pavement or crates, in some cases actaully graduated to small corenr shops. They did not evovle into automotive, aircraft, appliance or computer producers. It is precisely that element -- indigenous Polish industrialism -- that remains missing from the equation.
mafketis 36 | 10,850
23 May 2016 #59
Yes, but where you here at the time?

The middle half of 1991 and the second half of 1992 and first half of 1993. I was also dealing with members of a sub-population that was hit especially hard by the transformations, but despite the grumbling a lot of them were hustling their asces off rather than simply whining about how unfair it all was.

It is precisely that element -- indigenous Polish industrialism -- that remains missing from the equation.

Sorry, but blame the PRL for that. Transforming bloated, unproductive and drowning-in-debt factories into something that could compete in open markets is not something that can be done in the wink of an eye, especially when the house is on fire (as it was).

It takes generations to build the infrastructure for indigenous industrialization*, it can't be a top-down orchestrated affair (like the PRL). It has to be from the grass roots up and trying to rush that just creates more problems than it solves. Strong indigenous industrialization is the product of generations of economic development, not the starting point.

*much of it was in place before WWII but the war and communism squashed that flatter than a pancake so that effectively the country was starting from scratch after 1989. There were lots of competent talented people scattered around but they were hampered by too much PRL deadweight and there was no real time to regroup and get them together (especially since many or most of them had party connections and lamebrains like Olszewski wanted to purge public life of anyone with party connections).
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,380
23 May 2016 #60
It takes generations to build the infrastructure

Indeed, and rather than getting the ball rolling in the early '90s, Balcerowicz treated the nation of shock therapy. So no work was done on creating a viable industrial base, in fact that notion did not even come up.

To dismiss the existing industrial base as fit only for liquidation is an oversimplificaton. Example, the Honker, military patrol and reconnaissance vehicle was praised by American forces in Iraq. No it was not a Humvee, that was not its purpose. Instead of finding a major strategic Polish or foreign investor, the brand has been bounced about by various companies, none of which were able to turn the Honker into a hot export item.

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