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British teacher stabbed in Poland


Crow 137 | 7,756
25 Dec 2013 #31
simple. We at least know that boys aren`t sick. What else we could conclude if they burned him? This way we see that all this was just one unfortunate tragic incident
Norwester
25 Dec 2013 #32
Terrible. I am 51 when i hear of young people's party going on nearby these days ,I try to give a wide birth as much as possible. The young folks minds are not their own. Whichever country.
Crow 137 | 7,756
25 Dec 2013 #33
The young folks minds are not their own. Whichever country.

well said. But, still, especially within EU.
OP jon357 63 | 14,255
25 Dec 2013 #34
Terrible. I am 51 when i hear of young people's party going on nearby these days ,I try to give a wide birth as much as possible. The young folks minds are not their own. Whichever country.

The guy stabbed was middle aged and a Teacher. We don't know about any of the other people involved. It was also mid-evening, not a late party.

No doubt it will be in the newspaper when the case comes up. There may well be something that none of us have guessed at yet.
Maybe 12 | 409
25 Dec 2013 #35
Almost 100% guaranteed is that alcohol played a part. Sadly people get stabbed at house parties all the time all over the world. Que sera sera
szczecinianin 4 | 345
26 Dec 2013 #36
Sadly people get stabbed at house parties all the time all over the world.

Funnily enough, I've never been to a house party where anyone got stabbed.
cjj - | 281
26 Dec 2013 #37
" after the unprovoked attack.

He was one of four colleagues who were knifed during a flat party when several men burst in shortly after neighbours had complained about the noise. "

call me picky, but "unprovoked", "burst in" and "after neighbours had complained about the noise" seem ... extra. I guess once they're taken out there isn't too much to say.
szczecinianin 4 | 345
26 Dec 2013 #38
If you know of an alternative version then post it here.
Meathead 5 | 470
27 Dec 2013 #39
Maybe:
Sadly people get stabbed at house parties all the time all over the world.

Funnily enough, I've never been to a house party where anyone got stabbed.

" after the unprovoked attack.

He was one of four colleagues who were knifed during a flat party when several men burst in shortly after neighbours had complained about the noise. "

call me picky, but "unprovoked", "burst in" and "after neighbours had complained about the noise" seem ... extra. I guess once they're taken out there isn't too much to say.

Get a grip everyone, no one deserves to die because they're at a loud party. Frickin ridiculous posts.
INSPE - | 29
27 Dec 2013 #40
unprovoked means that something did not have an effect ( no effect ) on a person or their behaviour
OP jon357 63 | 14,255
27 Dec 2013 #41
Nonsense. Provoked means the response was appropriate to the situation. Can you find anything to say that Mr Johnson's Polish colleague who held the party had 'provoked' a murder? No. Now run along, there's a good boy.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
27 Dec 2013 #42
Get your facts straight, all articles state the same, they decided to party on a stairwell of the wrong building where the thugs lived not their own apartment. Unprovoked? My arse, Burst in? My arse.

Now the prosecutor is seeking witnesses to support the thesis of how two thugs attacked five slightly drunk, perhaps drugged and rowdy but otherwise polite and innocent people who decided to have a party on a stairwell of an apartment building they do not live in.

No one likes people who make noise on the stairwell of the building even more so if they themselves do not live there. Disliking does not give reason for beating or killing but unfortunately that's how it all ended in an altercation on the street after they've been told to get out and simply moved the party in front of the building. Somehow it's hard to believe they themselves are innocent in all of that and got their arse kicked just for the hell of it.

If you are looking for trouble you'll find it.
OP jon357 63 | 14,255
27 Dec 2013 #43
It looks from the DDTV article that the killers did it outside the building.

Hard to imagine middle-aged teachers being as rowdy as someone who stabs people.
Harry
27 Dec 2013 #44
" Get your facts straight,all articles state the same"
Strange how none of the articles mention that one of the victims was English, not even one of them. And also strange how those articles are about five victims, while the original one is about four victims. Could it be that there was more than one stabbing in the Warsaw region in the same week? I wonder.
OP jon357 63 | 14,255
27 Dec 2013 #45
They don't really fit with the original article at all, do they.

Especially the stuff about location.
Harry
27 Dec 2013 #46
Exactly. While one can call Praga many things, 'surrounded by a forest and overlooking a lake' isn't one of those things.
Paulina 9 | 1,448
27 Dec 2013 #47
Strange how none of the articles mention that one of the victims was English, not even one of them.

What's so strange about it? No names are mentioned in the articles, as far as I've noticed.

And also strange how those articles are about five victims, while the original one is about four victims.

No, they aren't about five victims. Articles posted by ShortHairThug say that five people were partying.
Four were stabbed, one of them died, one is in a critical condition.
So it's like in the article in The Yorkshire Evening Post: "He was one of four colleagues who were knifed". And "One man, a Polish friend of 40-year-old Mr Johnson, died". Also, about the British guy: "David Johnson said it was "touch and go" whether he would survive." And there's this: "One person managed to get away" - I guess it was the fifth guy that wasn't knifed.

So it seems all of the above fits.

Could it be that there was more than one stabbing in the Warsaw region in the same week? I wonder.

Could be, but too many facts are the same in my opinion, tbh.
First the complaints about the noise, then the attackers come back and stab them.
Four men knifed, one of them dies, one is in a critical condition.
The things that don't match is bursting into a flat and that, according to the YEP article, three men were arrested and according to Polish articles four men were arrested, two of them suspected to be the attackers. Maybe simply the YEP didn't get everything right, it happens.

Especially the stuff about location.

Exactly. While one can call Praga many things, 'surrounded by a forest and overlooking a lake' isn't one of those things.

The article in the YEP doesn't say that the party took place at the British guy's house or flat.
Warszawski wrote on the previous page of this thread "Sounds like the English guy was attending a party and it was his colleagues flat."

And you've agreed with him, jon357: "This is exactly how it looks. I doubt he had a flat in the middle of a forest."

All in all, I may be wrong, of course, but it looks to me that it's the same event.

Somehow it's hard to believe they themselves are innocent in all of that and got their arse kicked just for the hell of it.

If you are looking for trouble you'll find it.

Not really.
It's not hard to believe at all. There was a very publicised case some time ago when some thug started harassing a student girl, I think, and her boyfriend told him to stop it and the thug stabbed him to death in broad daylight, if I remember correctly. There was a march against violence after that in the city, I think. I don't remember where it was, Poznań maybe? There are deranged thugs that can kill you for no reason. And I've noticed there have been more kife attacks in Poland since some time then there used to be.
Harry
27 Dec 2013 #48
What doesn't fit is that none of the Polish media mention an English victim. Put simply, British people getting stabbed here is unusual, and unusual is newsworthy.

As to more stabbings, it does seem that way, although still far fewer than in the UK. Could it be the media here now report them more? Or that Poles who spent time in the UK are bringing back some of the unpleasant things about the UK along with the good things?
Paulina 9 | 1,448
27 Dec 2013 #49
What doesn't fit is that none of the Polish media mention an English victim. Put simply, British people getting stabbed here is unusual, and unusual is newsworthy.

Well, I guess you're right, but, again, for me too many facts are the same.

As to more stabbings, it does seem that way, although still far fewer than in the UK. Could it be the media here now report them more? Or that Poles who spent time in the UK are bringing back some of the unpleasant things about the UK along with the good things?

I don't think so, Harry, there have been more child killings by parents too. Everyone I talked to about it noticed it too. And after a while the media noticed it too and made a material about it on the news. One could think that it's because of the famous case of Katarzyna Waśniewska who killed her daughter, Magda, but somehow I don't think so - child killings were reported before, some cases were famous too. And those stabbings... The football hools' violence... I think it's because of the economic crisis. Something was bound to happen eventually.
Ironside 48 | 9,902
27 Dec 2013 #50
hey decided to party on a stairwell of the wrong building where the thugs lived not their own apartment.

Well if that is the story related in the English paper, then seem to be obvious that that paper lies about what has happened. After all those alleged thugs showed unusual restrain, it wouldn't be characteristic for western European thugs..

Now the prosecutor is seeking witnesses to support the thesis of how two thugs attacked five slightly drunk, perhaps drugged and rowdy but otherwise polite and innocent people who decided to have a party on a stairwell of an apartment building they do not live in.

Well if it was a qestion of two attacking five that would indeed rise a qestion what has really happened there.

Strange how none of the articles mention that one of the victims was English, not even one of them. And also strange how those articles are about five victims, while the original one is about four victims. Could it be that there was more than one stabbing in the Warsaw region in the same week? I wonder.

His being English was in itself a non issues and had nothing to do with that alteration. Because there were four victims in a party of five as one of them has run away and remained unharmed, you wouldn't call him a victim would you? I would say that is a very unlike possibility.

Hard to imagine middle-aged teachers being as rowdy as someone who stabs people.

Well, some people naver learn and after a drink or two they are none the wiser. After all middle-age is not exactly guarantee of wisdom and restrain. After all I have to fight that notion that two weeks in tropics in a company of a young blond bimbo would do me good and my wife would never known.

Exactly. While one can call Praga many things, 'surrounded by a forest and overlooking a lake' isn't one of those things.

Well as that dude has been vising a friend so maybe that was the place where his friend lives as the article suggest.

And I've noticed there have been more kife attacks in Poland since some time then there used to be.

European influence maybe, people are coming back from places and bringing back unhealthy custom form those places
szczecinianin 4 | 345
27 Dec 2013 #51
then seem to be obvious that that paper lies about what has happened.

Most likely they didn't 'lie', but rather misunderstood the situation (if it's the same incident).

European influence maybe, people are coming back from places and bringing back unhealthy custom form those places

It is interesting that you define Poland as being 'non-European'. I thought it would be disparaging to Poland to define it in such a way.
Paulina 9 | 1,448
27 Dec 2013 #52
After all those alleged thugs showed unusual restrain, it wouldn't be characteristic for western European thugs..

Well if it was a qestion of two attacking five that would indeed rise a qestion what has really happened there.

Ironside, what on Earth are you talking about? The facts are that four men were stabbed and apparently the attackers were unharmed.
If there are five men, but on the other side there are two men with knives then what are the odds?
The fact that someone is a teacher doesn't make him an angel automatically, we also don't know who were the other men attacked, but I don't think you're being objective.

We don't know what happened. The court will decide.

European influence maybe, people are coming back from places and bringing back unhealthy custom form those places

I doubt that, tbh. I've lived through the 90's and it was worse back then. News about the mafia on regular basis, cars exploding, murders, etc.

Things get worse during a crisis, that's all there is to it, I think.
Ironside 48 | 9,902
27 Dec 2013 #53
It is interesting that you define Poland as being 'non-European'. I thought it would be disparaging to Poland to define it in such a way.

I'm being sarcastic after all it seems that Poland is more civilized place than those stuck up European countries who think the world about themselves and who without the USA support and military

Most likely they didn't 'lie', but rather misunderstood the situation (if it's the same incident).

presence would have succumbed to the Soviet Union without a fight.
Most like because it is about Poland they let their imagination run free. Judging by the things that publish about Poles British papers are not particularity trustworthy. After all that Pierce Morgan chatterer have been some big shot in newspaper business in the UK>Wasn't another British papers magnate Maxwell involved with the Institute or some other scandal?

ronside, what on Earth are you talking about? The facts are that four men were stabbed and apparently the attackers were unharmed.

That we don't know what had happened apart from the fact that two people apparently used knife. We don't know which side have been an aggressor and who started that row? That all I'm saying basing it on the fact that there were two people against five. We don't know.

doubt that, tbh. I've lived through the 90's and it was worse back then

Worse? No, Mafia were shooting out between themselves, it had nothing to do with people ready to stab others on a slightest provocation.
Kevin123 - | 7
27 Dec 2013 #54
It is quite a shame that some people have no sympathy for the dead and the wounded.
Paulina 9 | 1,448
27 Dec 2013 #55
That we don't know what had happened apart from the fact that two people apparently used knife. We don't know which side have been an aggressor and who started that row? That all I'm saying basing it on the fact that there were two people against five. We don't know.

Ironside, normal people don't walk with knives in Poland and don't stab people. Do you understand?
If someone is being too loud, normal people call the police. One side got stabbed, the other didn't apparently.
For me it's really no rocket science.

Worse? No, Mafia were shooting out between themselves, it had nothing to do with people ready to stab others on a slightest provocation.

I didn't write it was only about mafia. And you think the mafia doesn't affect normal people? What about the racket?
szczecinianin 4 | 345
27 Dec 2013 #56
It is quite a shame that some people have no sympathy for the dead and the wounded.

It is indeed.
Ironside 48 | 9,902
27 Dec 2013 #57
Ironside, normal people don't walk with knives in Poland and don't stab people. Do you understand?

what are you arguing about? I', only saying that nothing looks like have been described in that newspapers. As for people not walking with knives in Poland, are you sure you are from K.?:)

Group of friend have been partying and being loud in on some estate in Warsaw. Have been accosted by thugs or locals who used knives in the alteration that ensued.

Where did I said that is OK to stab people? I have only pointed out that it seems at it was five to two, seems rather unlikely that two dudes attacked five dudes. Seems to be rather strange. .
Paulina 9 | 1,448
27 Dec 2013 #58
what are you arguing about? I', only saying that nothing looks like have been described in that newspapers.

I don't understand what you're saying. What do you mean by "nothing looks like have been described in that newspapers"?

As for people not walking with knives in Poland, are you sure you are from K.?:)

Yes, I am sure and it's not the 90's anymore :)

I have only pointed out that it seems at it was five to two, seems rather unlikely that two dudes attacked five dudes. Seems to be rather strange. .

So what's so strange about it? What do you think happened? There were in fact three men with knives? Four men? You know that four men were arrested?

We don't know who started it, of course, and how. My impression is that the men with knives were looking for trouble, not those that were stabbed.

Whether it was somehow provoked or not, the fact is that one man is dead, one is in critical condition and two other were hurt. So those two (or more) men with knives must have been very "efficient".
Ironside 48 | 9,902
27 Dec 2013 #59
don't understand what you're saying. What do you mean by "nothing looks like have been described in that newspapers"?

I mean that nobody busted into somebody's apartment for a mysterious reason. Rather we see that few friends have been drinking and then they went to some estate and being loud and obnoxious drew attention of thugs. Not that they should be stabbed for that but they should be wiser than that. That all I'm saying. Do you understand now?

Yes, I am sure :)

Are you sure sure? :P
Paulina 9 | 1,448
27 Dec 2013 #60
I mean that nobody busted into somebody's apartment for a mysterious reason.

OK.

Not that they should be stabbed for that but they should be wiser than that.

Well, being loud and obnoxious doesn't usually end with someone getting stabbed unless you're in some really bad neighbourhood. And yes, Warsaw's Praga would be such neighbourhood, I guess, from what I've heard.

Are you sure sure? :P

What do you mean? About where I'm from? Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that lol


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