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British teacher stabbed in Poland


jon357 63 | 14,124
23 Dec 2013  #1
A teacher from Leeds who was working in Poland is fighting for life after being repeatedly stabbed at a Christmas party. Father-of-one Steven Johnson, originally from Tinshill, is critically ill in a hospital in Warsaw after the unprovoked attack. He was one of four colleagues who were knifed during a flat party when several men burst in shortly after neighbours had complained about the noise.One man, a Polish friend of 40-year-old Mr Johnson, died. Polish police have arrested three people after the incident last Sunday. Mr Johnson's brother David, who returned from Poland on Thursday after visiting his hospital bedside with their mother Linda, said: "At the moment it doesn't feel real, I haven't been able to grasp the reality of it. "I'm heartbroken. It was his dream to travel and to teach."

yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-storie s/leeds-teacher-fighting-for-life-after-stabbing-in-poland-1-6329770

Very sad.
INSPE - | 29
23 Dec 2013  #2
is critically ill in a hospital in Warsaw after the unprovoked attack.

several men burst in shortly after neighbours had complained about the noise

Sorry but the text contains a contradiction ...............
OP jon357 63 | 14,124
23 Dec 2013  #3
You think a Christmas party at 8.30 is provocation to burst into a flat and stab 2 people killing one of them?

Most of us would wait until the 10pm cisza nocna and call the police.
INSPE - | 29
23 Dec 2013  #4
And I have some vague recollection of the English soccer funs
We will just wait for the results of the investigation OK ?
Nevetherless the contradiction remains from point of view of formal logic , sorry
OP jon357 63 | 14,124
23 Dec 2013  #5
Soccer 'funs'? Not that Poland has any shortage of football hooliganism. Perhaps the murderers were legia hools, perhaps not - it's an irrelevance.

No need to wait for anything, one guy has died, another is at death's door and two perps have been arrested for stabbing them. And no contradiction. Cisza nocna, assuming it was a flat, starts at 10, and in any case domestic noise issues in PL are dealt with by the police or stra┼╝ mieszka

It is never a good idea to try and justify killing.
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INSPE - | 29
23 Dec 2013  #6
It is never a good idea to try and accuse anyone before the trial .
Sorry but it is clear enough that you are not acquainted with formal logic
poland_
23 Dec 2013  #7
Cisza nocna, assuming it was a flat, starts at 10, and in any case domestic noise issues in PL are dealt with by the police or stra┼╝ mieszka

This is an odd quote from the newspaper His brother said he lived an "idyllic" life in the middle of a forest overlooking a lake.Sounds like the English guy was attending a party and it was his colleagues flat.
OP jon357 63 | 14,124
23 Dec 2013  #8
This is exactly how it looks. I doubt he had a flat in the middle of a forest. The poor guy. Both of them really, since someone has already died. Maybe the dead man was the householder, maybe they were both guests.

It doesn't do to assume too much, but some blokersy are not people you would want as neighbours, and I suspect alcohol may have played its part.
Harry
23 Dec 2013  #9
"It is never a good idea to try and accuse anyone before the trial ."
Er, you are aware that one of the people at a trial is referred to as the 'accused', aren't you?
poland_
23 Dec 2013  #10
but some blokersy are not people you would want as neighbours

Forest/lake it could have been around Zegrze lots of ex military in those blocks there.
Wroclaw Boy
23 Dec 2013  #11
Jealousy issue perhaps? some English dude with Polish women....
Ironside 48 | 9,748
23 Dec 2013  #12
While one guy is dead and another fights for his life, and two families have had a terrible tragedy due to something that happened in Poland.

That a free society to you. If there would be a moral code respected by the state I'm sure we would see much less incidents like that.

Anyway coming from England you are aware that it is more common occurrence there than in Poland.

What 'other way'?

In a way that would suggest that that stabbing had anything to do with his passport.
OP jon357 63 | 14,124
23 Dec 2013  #13
respected by the state I'm sure we would see much less incidents like that.

Rubbish.

In a way that would suggest that that stabbing had anything to do with his passport.

As far as we know, it didn't.
szczecinianin 4 | 345
24 Dec 2013  #14
I think this is neither the right thread nor the right time for bickering or point scoring. Let's just wish the teacher concerned a full recovery.
OP jon357 63 | 14,124
24 Dec 2013  #15
Yes. Bad things can happen to people anywhere. Getting all hot and bothered about it being a Brit in Poland or a Pole in Britain (happens here since it's an English language site about PL and Poles abroad) is an unhelpful distraction and not really worthy of any of us.

Let's just wish the teacher concerned a full recovery.

Yes, and we should think about all concerned and their families at this time.
INSPE - | 29
24 Dec 2013  #16
"It is never a good idea to try and accuse anyone before the trial ."

Er, you are aware that one of the people at a trial is referred to as the 'accused', aren't you?

the trial is being held now ... and you are the judge accusing with full knowledge ...now

Let's just wish the teacher concerned a full recovery.

NUGGETS OF WISDOM
Harry
24 Dec 2013  #17
" the trial is being held now ... and you are the judge accusing with full knowledge ...now"
Judges don't accuse people; prosecutors lay accusations against people, usually following those people being arrested by the police. At present we can say that police have arrested three people.

If you aren't familiar with the terminology used to describe the criminal justice system, perhaps it might be best for you to avoid commenting thereon?
INSPE - | 29
24 Dec 2013  #18
t is never a good idea to try and justify killing.

There is no doubt that for jon357 it is clear who is guilty 100% . And no trial is needed, no proof. He has full knowledge or at least he claims that he has. Right?

Then my statement

It is never a good idea to try and accuse anyone before the trial .

Full meaning : It is never a good idea to try and accuse anyone of committing a crime without proof before the trial

jon357 simply does not need any proof

And then you, Harry, in a hurry to put your opinion in :

Er, you are aware that one of the people at a trial is referred to as the 'accused', aren't you?

And now that chronology of the discussion has been restored, tell me Harry how my statement

It is never a good idea to try and accuse of committing a crime without proof anyone before the trial

relates to yours

Er, you are aware that one of the people at a trial is referred to as the 'accused', aren't you?

Explain it to me how they relate to each other ?
Harry
24 Dec 2013  #19
Well, if the three men who have been arrested have been arrested without there being reasonable suspicion that they committed the crimes for which they have been arrested, they can sue the police for wrongful arrest, can't they.

By the way, could you perhaps stop lying about what Jon says? He hasn't said that anybody is guilty, only that there has been a killing, which there clearly has.
INSPE - | 29
24 Dec 2013  #20
He hasn't said that anybody is guilty, only that there has been a killing,

It is never a good idea to try and justify killing.

NOT justify ( killing ) = accuse of ( killing ) = to charge someone with breaking the law (killing) = to bring a criminal charge against someone = to accuse of = see the beginning of the string

Is there something wrong ?

Er, you are aware that one of the people at a trial is referred to as the 'accused', aren't you?

You are talking about one of the people and it is clear enough what you meant, but it is possible all the men involved may be referred to as the 'accused'.

Say what you mean and mean what you say, but don't be mean when you say it

Is there something wrong ?
OP jon357 63 | 14,124
24 Dec 2013  #21
There is no doubt that for jon357 it is clear who is guilty 100%

The person who did it.
INSPE - | 29
24 Dec 2013  #22
But the person who did it may be justified
OP jon357 63 | 14,124
24 Dec 2013  #23
Justified to stab someone to death? Hard to imagine such a situation.
INSPE - | 29
24 Dec 2013  #24
There may be plenty of reasons : selfdefense , provoction etc
OP jon357 63 | 14,124
24 Dec 2013  #25
No suggestion of those in the media reports. The Polish courts will decide whether a group of men bursting into a flat and stabbing someone to death was ''self-defence: provocation" or not.
INSPE - | 29
24 Dec 2013  #26
The Polish courts will decide whether a group of men bursting into a flat and stabbing someone to death was ''self-defence: provocation" or not.

And this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about, Thanks a lot
OP jon357 63 | 14,124
24 Dec 2013  #27
In the meantime, we only know this. That two people were stabbed after a group of men burst into a home and those men are now under arrest for murder. You may want to try to excuse their behaviour because of their nationality; that does not mitigate the loss to all the families involved. Shame on you.
Harry
24 Dec 2013  #28
Er, 'provocation' is never justification for killing somebody, good luck trying to use that defence in court.
Crow 137 | 7,632
24 Dec 2013  #29
horrible, true.

But, at least they didn't burn him
szczecinianin 4 | 345
25 Dec 2013  #30
But, at least they didn't burn him

Just out of curiosity, why would they burn him?


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