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British senior politician compares Poland to South Africa during apartheid


gregy741 4 | 1,204
10 Jun 2012  #1
he said:
"Ukraine and Poland should face similar sanctions to the sporting boycott of South Africa in apartheid days", Labour added.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156986/England-Euro-2012-players-walk-racists-abuse-says-Labour.html

i think this chain of British insults and slanders towards Poland and polish people went too far...
why on earth our stupid government does not protest in the eve of such a disgusting slander made by British, politician,celebrities??
this PO government of loosers must go now!!!!!

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156986/England-Euro-2012-players-walk-racists-abuse-says-Labour.html
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
10 Jun 2012  #2
Pffft. In South Africa during apartheid, the black players wouldn't have been allowed to play with the whites. It's an exaggeration to claim Poland is anywhere near apartheid. Just because a few clowns make monkey chants does not equate with apartheid. It's in poor taste, yes, but Poland is not saying "you cannot play in our country."
teflcat 5 | 1,032
10 Jun 2012  #3
i think this chain of British insults and slanders towards Poland and polish people went too far...
why on earth our stupid government does not protest in the eve of such a disgusting slander made by British, politician,celebrities??

Why on earth don't you leave London and come back to your home country if you're so disgusted with things in the UK? There is great need for well-trained social workers here.
Harry
10 Jun 2012  #4
Insults and slanders? You mean it isn't true that black players here may face racial abuse? Events in Krakow would show you to be a liar if you did make that claim.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
10 Jun 2012  #5
They do, and not only in Poland. I don't remember Poland having something called the Bradford riots though. Besides this has nothing to do with apartheid, anybody who does is an imbecile. Just because the UK is struggling to assimilate its minorities, does not mean that countries that do not have the same problem are worse. The Labour MP in question should remember that Poland has 2 black members of parliament, which means that per head of population that is more than the UK, which prides itself on political correctness.

Besides the reception that the England team got in Poland was fantastic, so i am not sure why they are trying to create a problem were none exists. And if the England players feel so strongly about the issue perhaps they should boycott playing with the England captain Terry, who has a track record of racial abuse.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
10 Jun 2012  #6
Insults and slanders? You mean it isn't true that black players here may face racial abuse? Events in Krakow would show you to be a liar if you did make that claim.

They do, but should England boycott matches with France and Italy because in some league games Black players have had bananas thrown at them?
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
10 Jun 2012  #7
Good point Trevek. There is little talk of what goes on at Italian and Spanish stadiums during league games, but oh dear that Eastern Europe is the worst offender.
Harry
10 Jun 2012  #8
There is little talk of what goes on at Italian and Spanish stadiums during league games

Really? Perhaps you could go into detail about that abuse? The only two incidents I can think of in Italy in the last 15 or so years resulted in nationwide condemnation of Inter Milan fans and, more recently, Juve having to play a home game with no home fans. But here we see from Poles pretty much only excuses, denial and justifications, very little condemnation.

As for Spain, it's not exactly news that Spanish football has problems with racism. The difference is that they are trying to do something to deal with the problem, rather than just denying that it exists while pointing fingers at others.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Jun 2012  #9
More of british xenophobia hidden under the banner of "anti-racism". Watch them, soon deporting "Eastern Europeans" because of their "racism".
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
10 Jun 2012  #10
Seriously dude get off you high horse and stop interfering. We know that there is a problem in Poland but Poland is not as multicultural as Britain [thankfully] so it takes a while to deal with it and it is only a problem when lots of foreigners flood in to Poland in one go. I agree with Grzegorz there is racism in Britain, it is just quiet. Officially it is stamped out but it is no better than in Poland, only in Poland people have some balls and do not sit quietly and then talk about other races with their pals quietly when nobody is looking.

You want examples of racism in Italy?

How about Balotelli having some bananas chucked at him almost every away match? How about the Lazio neo-nazi fan base?

I know Eto'o was racially abused in Spain many times as well.
Harry
10 Jun 2012  #11
Watch them, soon deporting "Eastern Europeans" because of their "racism".

Of the thousands of Eastern Europeans deported by the UK, to the best of my knowledge, not a single one was deported for being a racist: they were all deported for being criminals whose return their governments had requested.

If you really don't want Poles to be labeled as racists, why not do something to combat racism in Poland? Or do you think that there is nothing at all wrong with racism and racists?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Jun 2012  #12
If you really don't want Poles to be labeled as racists

To be honest I don't care much about that, what I find interesting are rather reasons behind it.
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
10 Jun 2012  #13
in Poland, only in Poland people have some balls and do not sit quietly

No,hundreds of you savages gang up and pick on one person quite openly and publicly because most of you could not give a sh!t about anyone who isnt in your family or making money for you, how very fekking brave of you all.....spirit of 68 alive and well....FFS.....pathetic excuses,again....

i think this chain of British insults and slanders towards Poland and polish people went too far...

Dont be silly, its not a *british Insult*, its an insult by a British person......difference being you are being just as much of a bigoted pilock as this person is if you start labeling everyone in a country....

So,in short, *britain* isnt calling gregory and moania hypersensative paranoiacs,but a British person is.....
Harry
10 Jun 2012  #14
How about Balotelli having some bananas chucked at him almost every away match?

When you get caught telling tall tales, it's better to say nothing than to simply increase the size of your lie. Balotelli said that he once had bananas thrown at him in a bar before the U-21 Euro championship.

Poland is not as multicultural as Britain [thankfully] ... it is only a problem when lots of foreigners flood in to Poland in one go. .... only in Poland people have some balls

Ah, now I see the problem: you see nothing wrong with racism or racists and are racist yourself.
monia 3 | 212
10 Jun 2012  #15
Eastern Europeans

How can you comment about Poland if you don`t even know the geographical location of Poland , a home country you have been living as our guest for 17 years . You surviwed here so long , so you Harry are a living proof of our hospitality . Poland is located in the true heart r of Europe just south of Sweden . BTW , do you consider Sweden as north eastern country?

You Harry as a Jew can you say wholeheartedly that there was any racial attack on Jews in Poland during all those years while you live in out great country ?
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
10 Jun 2012  #16
Seriously... a Labour politician claiming that another country, one with virtually no visible minorities, has Apartheid-like conditions? If anyone has increased the prevalence of "Apartheid-like" conditions in the UK, it's the last Labour government. Remember that this was the government which deliberately increased immigration for political reasons - I'm not going to add links, but the evidence is easily found online. Poland has no non-white "ghettos", whereas the UK has plenty. I've lived in several areas where whites are a small minority, and you don't stay long there if you have a choice.

Before the usual group of expats to Poland start ganging-up on anyone Polish who dares to express a reasoned pro-Polish opinion, I'll state that I do NOT agree with the abuse which certain footballers have experienced. Even if it wasn't considered racist, what kind of person makes "monkey noises" towards other people anyway? That's the kind of thing a seven year-old would find funny. It's like "Beavis and Butthead" humour - "huh huh huh, she said horn", etc. - funny when you're a child, puerile when you're an adult.

Everyone who has commented on the football-related thread has failed to understand the UK media's underlying agenda here - which is that prejudice towards Poles is the acceptable face of racism in the UK. This has grown during the past eight years, as Polish immigration increased. Yet there is never any criticism of continued immigration from Third World countries, which is still far higher than Polish immigration to the UK.

Whenever there are reports of Pakistani Muslim crime against whites of any ethnicity, they simply avoid any ethnic/religious terms, or use the inadequate catch-all term "Asian" - which is an insult to the Chinese/Indian/Vietnamese/Filipino/Japanese etc communities in the UK, who rarely pose any problems. Likewise, when a white person or group is the victim of an "Afro-Caribbean" gang, they dare not even use the catch-all term "black". The race of the criminal should be irrelevant, but there have been plenty of crimes committed in this country where white ethnic groups have been targeted by non-whites, but these are always reposted differently to crimes committed by whites against non-whites - they always add vague terms like "the police are at this time unsure whether this was a hate crime, but investigations are continuing" - which is not used when the roles are reversed. Although it's also true to say that the biggest threat to blacks are black men, but the media dare not state facts like this, as it's easier to blame "whitey" for black gunmen who murder their own.

Any major city in the UK has more race-related problems than the whole of Poland, yet Poles and Poland are yet again seen as pariahs in the UK media.

Yet whenever there is any report of crime/wrongdoing by European immigrants from Slavic/Baltic countries, they don't even use (admittedly incorrect) terms like "Eastern European", it's always reported as "Polish/Lithuanian/Estonian/Slovak etc <insert name of crime here>". I work in a very PC environment, yet blatant prejudice towards Polish workers (and towards me, when they learn of my surname) has increased since 2004. There is NO WAY this would be allowed towards non-Europeans, so no-one can claim that there isn't an accepted underlying agenda here.

Any major city in the UK has more race-related problems than the whole of Poland has, yet Poles and Poland are yet again seen as pariahs by the UK media. We're sick of the hypocrisy of UK politicians and journalists - get your own house in order first, before lecturing other countries on how to deal with their own problems!
Harry
10 Jun 2012  #17
How can you comment about Poland if you don`t even know the geographical location of Poland ,

Poor Monia, so desperate to attack me. Such a pity that my words don't support your attacks. Or can you quote me saying that Poland is in Eastern Europe?

You Harry as a Jew can you say wholeheartedly that there was any racial attack on Jews in Poland during all those years while you live in out great country ?

I can't say anything as a Jew, seeing as I am not a Jew. Although I do find it fascinating that you still consider 'Jew' to be a word suitable for use as an insult.

As to "any racial attack", why not go and ask the Chief Rabbi of Poland? He can tell you from personal experience that Jews in Poland are targeted for violent attacks simply because of their faith. Or you could ask Martin Gilbert, British historian and author of the superb book "Holocaust Journey", about being spat on while taking a party of British students on a trip round holocaust sites. Or perhaps you'd have us believe that the Pole in question simply didn't like Gilbert's biographies of Churchill?
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
10 Jun 2012  #18
But here we see from Poles pretty much only excuses, denial and justifications, very little condemnation.

You may be right. Let's make a deal now, you will be saying your mea culpa, the Poles theirs. OK?
pawian 159 | 9,463
10 Jun 2012  #19
Such blatant impudence requires immediate response.

I suggest we don`t vote that Labour Party guy at next elections.

I promise I won`t.
monia 3 | 212
10 Jun 2012  #20
Pathetic english xenophobia is showing again. .

Very true .

NorthMancPolak - you are my man ! Thank you so much for your balanced commentary .
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Jun 2012  #21
If Poles in general were not so inward looking

Get out with your xenophobic generalizations.
jon357 63 | 14,122
10 Jun 2012  #22
But here we see from Poles pretty much only excuses, denial and justifications, very little condemnation

Pretty well true. Defend something loudly and without thought as a knee jerk reaction then get abusive when they realise they don't have a leg to stand on. If the best someone can do when a problem in their country draws attention elsewhere is to say that there are problems in other places to, perhaps it's time for some real action and acknowledgement of the issue. Not just the old "and in America they lynch blacks" that has been the standard pointless retort for donkey's years.
Harry
10 Jun 2012  #23
Let's make a deal now, you will be saying your mea culpa, the Poles theirs. OK?

No. I'm at fault for the racism in this country, not in the UK or any other country. I should have done more to combat racism here. I completely and unreservedly condemn the racist idiots who have shamed Poland by their behaviour and I call upon all other people of Poland to do the same. If the scum think that their racist behaviour is in any way acceptable, they will never change it. If we work together, we can beat racism. If we just deny that there is a problem here with racism, there will always be a problem with racism.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Jun 2012  #24
perhaps it's time for some real action and acknowledgement of the issue.

What do you propose ?
jon357 63 | 14,122
10 Jun 2012  #25
So now you're saying a foreigner should propose the solution?

Then again, perhaps you're right - other countries have successfully dealt with football hooliganism, so perhaps Poland should look to other places which have had a bit more success dealing with it to find the way forward.
Harry
10 Jun 2012  #26
That would be the logical step, but would Polish pride get in the way?

Personally I'd say that the mandatory ingestion of 125mg of MDMA before one was allowed to enter a football ground would probably solve the problem in no uncertain terms.
Bieganski 17 | 901
10 Jun 2012  #27
Britain has never paid reparations for its crimes against humanity committed during its bloodstained era of slavery and empire - the effects of which are still around today.

The British won't mention their own violent, racist past but no one should believe that they no longer think or act that way now.

Their perverse idea of making amends is to accuse others of the things that they are guilty of.
teflcat 5 | 1,032
10 Jun 2012  #28
The British won't mention their own violent, racist past but no one should believe that they no longer think or act that way now.

This is a little hysterical and completely untrue. Even when I was in primary school (40 years ago) we were taught about the iniquities of the slave trade.

Schoolkids in the UK are routinely taught about Britain's unsavoury acts in the past. Past mistakes are open to discussion far more in Britain than in other countries I could mention.
jon357 63 | 14,122
10 Jun 2012  #29
Exactly, same here.

Really it's rather lame to try to deflect from a problem by trying to suggest the situation is worse elsewhere. Especially when all someone can come up with is ancient history!

Not even about football either...
Bieganski 17 | 901
10 Jun 2012  #30
This is a little hysterical and completely untrue. Even when I was in primary school (40 years ago) we were taught about the iniquities of the slave trade.
Schoolkids in the UK are routinely taught about Britain's unsavoury acts in the past. Past mistakes are open to discussion far more in Britain than in other countries I could mention.

Of course the British are aware of their shameful past and present. It's one thing to talk about it amongst yourselves but it is quite another matter when Britain dons its whiter-than-white mantle of hypocrisy in a pathetic attempt to cover up its crimes as it chastises the rest of the world.

So, where are the reparations? When are you and your ilk going to pay up? Cash only please and it better be in the trillions.


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