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How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.


mafketis 16 | 5,899    
26 Jun 2016  #151
Dark time = democracy?
Dougpol1 24 | 1,897    
26 Jun 2016  #152
Let's have a look at what Scotland's First Minister has been saying

You're a better man then me - am I alone in not having a clue what Sturgeon says? She rambles on, and on, but paradoxically at high velocity.

She lost me at "Hello" :))
ender 5 | 400    
26 Jun 2016  #153
the decision is 'wrong' that means that 16 million people with British nationality were wrong

Yes, they were. They were manipulated but so called 'newspapers' mainly Daily Fail. Vote leave so those swan eating, job stealing Polish Vermin return to home. Nothing about about higher number of immigrants coming from outside of EU. Nothing about consequent of living EU not entirely true but 350mil per month on NHS and getting rid of Polish Scum blinded those people. Till now I didn't realise that some of them hate Scots and Irish to the level of destroying UK. Don't take me wrong I actually supported Irish and English to vote Leave my reasons were obviously very different than theirs. Now I'm enjoying reading about Cornish

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658966/Cornwall-votes-decisively-Brexit-seeks-assurances-won-t-lose-60million-year-gets-EU-subsidies.html
Irish and Scots trying to run away from sinking ship with grandiose crew.
iwonadem - | 14    
26 Jun 2016  #154
I don't think UK will leave.... at least they will try to delay it for as long as possible...Petitions in London ( 2 mln) against it.... HSBC threatening to move offices to France ( 70 thousand job loss) Pound down...property prices down.....

Big chance for new election soon.

But whatever is going to happen - UK showed nasty xenophobic face and I am afraid it will leave bitter aftertaste for years in continental europe.

I have dual citizenship so it does not affect me directly but after this 'Polish vermin go home' in Huntington....I have left very little locality for this country. It is sad because I would say Polish genuinely liked UK but I am afraid it is past now.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,897    
26 Jun 2016  #155
UK showed nasty xenophobic face and I am afraid it will leave bitter aftertaste for years

You could almost be talking about the country as a whole where I live.

It is sad because I would say Polish genuinely liked UK but I am afraid it is past now.

Nobody is "going home" and the (racist) populace will pipe down. They will be prosecuted if they don't. In Poland, on the other hand.....
Szalawa 4 | 253    
26 Jun 2016  #156
HSBC threatening to move offices to France ( 70 thousand job loss) Pound down...property prices down.....

When communism collapsed in Poland things got worst before they got better, give it time this is the dawn of a new era.

UK showed nasty xenophobic face and I am afraid it will leave bitter aftertaste for years in continental europe

No, Brexit is an inspiration for many countries across Europe. I have actual amassed respect for the Brits for this."Polish vermin go home" is not a reflection of all and could be in relation to the actual scum and not all Polish people or just from some person with personal issues.

It is sad because I would say Polish genuinely liked UK but I am afraid it is past now.

I like it more now
Bieganski 17 | 907    
26 Jun 2016  #157
It's quite amusing watching the full-on display of schizophrenia at every level of society in the UK.

Oh well. The decision was made and the decision is final. It's too late for regrets.

The reality is that Britain no longer has a seat at the table in Europe and therefore needs to get up and leave. As in now.

Yet, the news this weekend is plastered with British persons carrying crudely made placards written in childlike scrawl with childish pleas of "I love no borders" and "I am not British I am European." LOL!





Oh and don't forget the futile petitions which have started to have yet another referendum! Yep, keep on voting over and over again expecting to get a different result! And then there is that butch Scottish nationalist (of all things) Sturgeon foolishly thinking she can be as undemocratic as she pleases and block the results of the referendum made by the majority of her fellow British subjects or even more foolishly thinking Scotland can negotiate its own terms with Brussels to stay in!

Mass delusion!

I even came across one article which said that some of the top search terms in Britain AFTER the referendum concluded was "What is the EU?" and "What is Brexit?" LOL!

Source:
washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/?tid=pm_pop_b

One can't help but smile at the site of something so pitiful. But then again it is all self-inflicted.

Britain and particularly Scotland just needs to stop its collective swivel-eyed huffing and puffing and accept that parting ways with Europe is for the best. The British were never European anyway and were never going to be.

The British need to remember that Scotland and England have been in union together for over 300 years. Compare that to them be reluctantly in the EU for just over 40 years. Therefore the British need to remember that they are British first, foremost and always. Britons now more than ever need to join together and not only respect but fully embrace and unconditionally support the decision of the majority will expressed at the polls all around their sceptered isles.

And Britain can still have all the liberal trade and immigration it wants too. Let's not forget that Britain is lock, stock and barrel part of the Commonwealth of Nations with origins going back to its days of empire centuries ago. It can and should push to have it become a political union with tariff free trade. And if British persons demand no borders and immigration and multiculturalism without limits all they need to do is revisit and dust off their Commonwealth Immigration Acts and allow anyone from the Commonwealth to come and go as they please. Indeed, their Commonwealth would bring far more youth and cultural enrichment than Olde Europe ever could.
kondzior 8 | 912    
26 Jun 2016  #158
Good news everyone: I am reading that Merkel and Hollande have been working on an "EU Relaunch" for months. Merkel and Hollande, now if that ain't a dream team.

heh

If they really "relaunch" the EU, we can be sure its days are numbered.
Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
26 Jun 2016  #159
I am European

That's what everyone is in the loo where...you're a-peein'!
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
26 Jun 2016  #160
More cases of Race hate, not just poles.

Police Probe Post-Brexit Attacks On Poles

news.sky.com/story/1717862/police-probe-post-brexit-attacks-on-poles
iwonadem - | 14    
26 Jun 2016  #161
Nobody is "going home" and the (racist) populace will pipe down. They will be prosecuted if they don't. In Poland, on the other hand.....

In Poland , on the other hand ........there is about 1 mln Ukrainians - similar situation like in UK. They do lots jobs which Polish don't want to do and for low salary.... Have I missed something...Did we call them vermin and asked them to go home? Do we shout in every newspaper that they take places in our schools, hospitals....don't think so.

UK have still very 'Imperial' mentality- take, take.... nothing give back. O yes, give some money for foreign aid...just to feel better.
And what about people like me - Poland educated me I have been living in UK for 14 years never been to hospital, hardly any to doctor. Go privately to dentist....So I work here and pay taxes for 14 years but all my education was covered by my country...
TheOther 5 | 3,389    
26 Jun 2016  #162
it would be big time opportunity to create great union.Poland will have a chance to forge EE kinda union.

And how would such a union finance itself? Loans like Greece? The situation would be different if we would talk about highly industrialized first-world countries,but this is not the case here.
jon357 65 | 13,407    
26 Jun 2016  #163
And how would such a union finance itself? Loans like Greece

A question people should ask.

Maybe a vast trillion dollar trading alliance with North Korea, Easter Island and Transdnistria.
johnny reb 15 | 3,075    :-(
26 Jun 2016  #164
Thank you for your humor today jon.
What would Poland trade N. Korea pirogi for besides body parts and defective missiles ?
jon357 65 | 13,407    
26 Jun 2016  #165
What would Poland trade N. Korea pirogi for besides body parts and defective missiles ?

Overweight politicians with a tendency towards authoritarianism.

Seriously, it's far to early to predict what will happen, whether we will even leave the Union or if. We end up doing that, how things will work. Unrestricted movement of people won't change and may even increase.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,897    
27 Jun 2016  #166
whether we will even leave the Union or if.

Exactly. There is a huge debate going on now, as to whether parliament, or the people, really want this. The first clearly doesn't.
Gove and Boris are absent and in hiding, and who is going to be willing to press the Article 50 button? Cameron had a blinding masterstroke in resigning to go on the US after-dinner circuit - his Home Office Minister looks an absolute shoe-in for Prime Minister, and she ain't gonna go for Brexit.

It's akin to telling your partner to pack her bags, and then having a change of heart, and grovelling. But if grovelling is the order of the day, it's better than this suicidal idiocy.
mafketis 16 | 5,899    
27 Jun 2016  #167
There is a huge debate going on now, as to whether parliament, or the people, really want this. The first clearly doesn't.

What parliament wants is irrelevant. There was a referendum.

What the people want is, at present, assumed to be the result of the referendum.
Atch 15 | 2,440    
27 Jun 2016  #168
I'm far more optimistic.

Smurf, you've clearly demonstrated with this post what a sentimental old softy you are at heart. There will be no re-united Ireland out of this I'm afraid.

Ian Paisley Is Recommending Irish Passports For All

Now come on Smurf - the Unionists are cold-hearted, self-serving opportunists. It would suit them just fine to take advantage of their potential for Irish citizenship and retain their individual rights to freedom of movement within the EU etc whilst remaining 'British'. Do you really believe Ian Paisley wants Ulster Unionists to renounce their British identity and become Irish?

Wesminister won't want them

Westminster has never wanted them. They got stuck with them. But they can't just hand them back at this stage. A poll would have to be held both in both Northern Ireland and the Republic with a majority in both supporting re-unification of Ireland. Bear in mind Smurf that many people in the Republic don't really want to take on Northern Ireland with all its problems and complexities and the economic factor of stretching our already inadequate budget (yes we'd get a bit extra from the EU but how long for, will there even be an EU in the future?).

both 'catholics' and 'protestants' play for them now and their supporters are the same

Sports have always had the potential to be a unifying factor. Remember poor old George Best, beloved by all. His family were active members of the Orange Order and wee Georgie proudly carried insignia in the marches when he was a nipper. But nobody cared because he was one of those whose gifts simply transcend politics.

We've come a long way baby.

But not that far. Feelings amongst ordinary people may have come a long way but there are still a number of Unionist politicians and their followers who would wreak havoc in the North if a united Ireland were to be 'forced' on them as they would perceive it. These are not democratic people who respect the will of the majority, (supposing a majority voted in favour) - they are extremists. 'The Troubles' as we euphemistically refer to them was in fact a civil war and that's what you risk seeing again. It wouldn't be on the same scale but I really couldn't see the Unionists agreeing to be governed by Dublin as they see it without a few bombs going off and the possibility of them taking that south of the border would be very real. There are former UVF and UDR members who would be only too delighted to dust off their combat gear and get underway again. The only way you can have a peaceful re-unification of Ireland is when everybody agrees to it and that's still some way off. Give it another 10 or 20 years and there's a chance.
smurf 39 | 1,994    
27 Jun 2016  #169
There will be no re-united Ireland out of this I'm afraid

I'll bet you a full twenty zloty, it'll happen within 25 years :)

Do you really believe Ian Paisley wants Ulster Unionists to renounce their British identity and become Irish?

No, but they can have both and once he and his party realise they're screwed without Europe they'll be making sexy faces at Dublin. We can all agtee that the unionists are interested in two things, money and holding onto power, if they can fit than with Dublin, they're game.

Give it another 10 or 20 years and there's a chance.

For sure
Atch 15 | 2,440    
27 Jun 2016  #170
holding onto power

And there's the rub. That's the big stumbling block. They would be very small fry in a Dublin parliament. The complete anachronism that they are would become all too evident. I mean Smurf, you and I, we're Irish. We know that the Unionists are still living back in the 1600s and the Battle of the Boyne happened last week. Even the Republicans have moved on mentally but not the Loyalists. There's simply no place for them in Dáil Éireann unless they completely re-invent themselves. Whilst the Unionists have been in huge denial, Sinn Féin have been preparing for the future and building themselves the profile of a legitimate Irish political party with the interests of the disadvantaged and working classes of the Irish electorate at heart.
smurf 39 | 1,994    
27 Jun 2016  #171
They would be very small fry in a Dublin parliament.

Depends on whether a coalition would be needed, over the past few gen elections in Ireland each of the main parties have shrunk, if the Unionist were part of the Dail they'd probably have what? 15 members? Sure, Sinn Fein have only 23 at the minute.

We know that the Unionists are still living back in the 1600s and the Battle of the Boyne happened last week.

100% agree, I can't wait to see their crisis of conscience when the Scots vote for independence and when they'll finally come to realise that Westminster wants nothing to do with them.

But have a loo at this from something I saw on social media. The times they are a-changin'

twitter.com/bartoncreeth/status/747165496286527488
polishspelling    
27 Jun 2016  #172
it would be big time opportunity to create great union.Poland will have a chance to forge EE kinda union.

That's been done before.

It went well, didn't it?

You are probably too young to remember the food queues, whereas I'm not.
Szalawa 4 | 253    
27 Jun 2016  #173
That's been done before

The intermarium has not in my knowledge been done before, the subjugation by the soviet union on the other hand has, hindered by socialist/communist policies.

It will be a reinstated commonwealth, only larger to encompass all friendly Slav nations and allies. A defense against the abhorrent EU, Russia and the Islamic world and Ideally can stand on its own
G (undercover)    
27 Jun 2016  #174
If they really "relaunch" the EU, we can be sure its days are numbered.

LOL ! So true.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,897    
27 Jun 2016  #175
all friendly Slav nations and allies

Normal people aren't at all interested here in having much at all to do with the murdering Balkans. Not any of the Poles I know anyway........

And they dislike the Slowaks, as Russian apologists, and Hungary - well we all speak the truth when drunk - and Juncker certainly did! :)
Luskaa    
27 Jun 2016  #176
it's funny how everyone knows that politicians are crooked,

but the only time when the public is crying a million tears about it

is when actual democracy and the vote of 18.5 million british citizens is not what they expected...
SouthamptonOL    
27 Jun 2016  #177
I have heard on the news today that racism towards Polish has risen after the Brexit vote. I find this baffling especially as any xenophiles have won. I would just like to say that Polish people are very welcome in my City of Southampton that numbers about 10 per cent of our population. We are an extremely mixed cultural society. It has been very pleasant since to last wave of Polish have arrived. The churches are full and the parks are full of happy families having picnics - something I haven't seen since my childhood. Lots of Polish businesses have boomed here and there is scope for more. Now that Brexit is a reality - it should not affect the population already here. Small business should be able to really boom in about two years time when we will be free of EU regulations.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
27 Jun 2016  #178
" say that Polish people are very welcome in my City " likewise you are more than welcome in Poland, when the dust has settled over this Brexit business and the racists have calmed down Poland and Britain will retain their strong lasting friendship.
Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
27 Jun 2016  #179
Brexit business

Polish formin Waszczykowski said today the governemnt are formulating their proposal for EU reform. Since Cameron has pledged to step down, so should the unelected EU officials such as Junckers, Schultz, Tusk, Timmermans and others. Instead they are proposing clamping down with mroe of the same only more intensively. One should ask first of all why the Brits voted the way thry did. The fault lay with the EU not with Britian.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
27 Jun 2016  #180
"The fault lay with the EU not with Britian." This is true it also should be noted that the Polish government is understanding of Britain's choice and is actively questioning the current EU structure.




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