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How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.


TheOther 5 | 3,389    
25 Jun 2016  #121
It will harm Britain more than any other country. Proof they are experiencing internal crisis.

Who knows what will happen. This referendum is non-binding and might be overturned by a second one. Even Farange said that he wouldn't accept a 52:48 vote for Remain.

"Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month. ... In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."

mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

There's always hope...
PlasticPole 7 | 2,666    
25 Jun 2016  #122
I don't see what holding a second referendum would accomplish. It would just waste money. Public has spoken. Half want to stay, half want to leave. Britain will have to figure it out.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,589    
25 Jun 2016  #123
Rest of the world needs to work toward minimizing damage a rogue, conflicted nation can do.

how is Britain a 'rogue' nation exactly?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,666    
25 Jun 2016  #124
Leaving the EU makes it a bit of a rogue nation at the moment. It wants to cause disruption since everyone, including Brits, knows that is exactly what will happen and Britain is letting this occur. It's not in the best interest of anyone. Now they are competing with the EU. It is so complicated and will cause nothing but tension and strife in Europe, which has always been a bit fragile as far as peacekeeping goes. EU was the best thing that ever happened for them. Now they will **** that all away for nothing. What good will come out of Britain and EU always competing with each other? US, China, Russia, will all be forced to take sides and with NATO, it will be difficult for the US favoring either Britain or the EU. Hope they can work this out.
nothanks - | 667    
25 Jun 2016  #125
> After 2020, all EU members will have to adopt the euro

POLexit
Dougpol1 24 | 1,897    
25 Jun 2016  #126
Scotland has not been as much as a magnet for migrants as England has....

Ever been to Scotland? You do talk some bull. The economy is diverse. As a result, Scotland is massively popular with Polish families, for a whole myriad of lifestyle reasons. And it's not called God's Own Country for nothing.

But keep on with the ignorant posts Bieganski. We wouldn't have it any other way.

Leaving the EU makes it a bit of a rogue nation at the moment

Agree with everything you say. A ridiculous state of affairs that the disenfranchised and the old can dictate to those who are the country's future.

A hundred years ago the peasants would have been revolting:) And as in 1745, it's time for another Glorious Revolution.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
25 Jun 2016  #127
"And as in 1745, it's time for another Glorious Revolution."

That would be just wrong Democracy must be respected however painful it is to some, otherwise what is stopping the physically strong from taking up the sword to take whatever they want, beats working for a living , Just ask Genghis Khan or any other tyrant.
Bieganski 17 | 907    
25 Jun 2016  #128
Ever been to Scotland?

Of course. It is about as exciting as visiting an elderly care home in the dead of winter.

You do talk some bull.

No I talk facts so do try your hardest to follow along since I realize that facts are too difficult and definiently too inconvenient for so-called "progressives" like yourself to accept.

The economy is diverse.

Far from it. Two points. First, I said previously that its economy isn't as robust as its neighbor to the south. Indeed, compare Scotland's GDP of $216 billion USD to the UK as a whole which is at $2.7 trillion USD. So Scotland is a mere 8% of the UK economy. Second, Scotland's economy falls into mainly four sectors: mining, construction, manufacturing and services and the vast majority of jobs are in the last category. So as I stated Scotland has not been an attraction for migrants. Honestly, how many migrants are beating a path to the Scottish highlands in the hopes of landing a job at a fish and chip shop in far flung Thurso?

As a result, Scotland is massively popular with Polish families,

Not true at all. Go and do a quick search of the numbers. The Polish-born population residing in the UK at the moment is around 800,000. How many of these chose Scotland? Only 55,000. That's less than 7%. And overall immigrant numbers reflect roughly the same with Scotland's share being between 5-6% of the total who have settled in the UK from other parts of the world.

So for you a statistical drop in the ocean of at most 7% settlement rate is proof of Scotland being "massively popular" with immigrants but for sober, educated people it isn't. What this tiny percentage does prove is that Scotland voted in favor to remain in the EU because they haven't felt the full brunt of one of the major planks of the referendum; i.e., uncontrolled immigration.

But keep on with the ignorant posts Bieganski.

And here I thought a page had turned and ad hominem attacks were no longer being the go-to face-saving move used by PF members who couldn't defend their positions with facts and civility. Wasn't the early Brexit of your ringleader only a few weeks ago enough of a warning to you and your fellow Brits on the need to comport yourselves properly here on the forum?

Happy Independence Day by the way.
Atch 15 | 2,440    
25 Jun 2016  #129
Rumor is that Northern Ireland wants to join with Ireland. Interesting rumor.

Rubbish would be a more accurate word. It stems from the simple minded way in which Americans interpret world politics. Northern Ireland. like Scotland, voted to remain in the EU. But with England and Wales voting 'leave', the only way for Northern Ireland or Scotland to remain is for Scotland to become indepdendent or Northern Ireland (which is too tiny, poor and unstable for independence) to unite with the Republic. But, the Unionists in the North hate the idea of a united Ireland far more than they hate the idea of leaving the EU so it simply won't happen. A united Ireland will happen, literally over the dead bodies of the Unionists, anyone who knows Irish politics knows that.
Terry Zazoff    
25 Jun 2016  #130
Bieganski is correct, Scotland is a hole, and the Scots are the worst king makers going around.
Scotland will um and ah, posture, threaten, whinge and then ultimately just stick with England because they don't have the balls to stand alone.

Take out North Sea Oil and they are a goddam basket case.
Ultimately the Scots will run with the cheapest and least inconvenient option.
I would bet odds on Britain will thrive outside the EU, the whole thing is more an issue now for the poorer EU member states, of which Poland is one.
smurf 39 | 1,994    
25 Jun 2016  #131
or Scotland to remain is for Scotland

No, was on the radio this monring that Scotland can actually stay part of the EU without being independent and talks have already begun.

I hope they vote for independence.
I'd like to see a ref in Norn Iron too, but I think they would vote to remain part of the UK..............until they realise that the EU basically props up the Norn Iron economy and then it'll vote for a United Ireland

the Unionists in the North hate the idea of a united Ireland far more than they hate the idea of leaving the EU so it simply won't happen

I'm far more optimistic. Did you see this?
Ian Paisley Is Recommending Irish Passports For All
lovin.ie/feature/hell-might-have-frozen-over-ian-paisley-is-recommending-irish-passports

The unionist have to realise that the Little Englanders f!cked them over in this ref, should Scotland vote for Independence (they will) then the Unionists won't be left with much of a choice, Wesminister won't want them, the people whom they identify with (the Scots) willhave left the union, they'll haev to leave it too.

Add to this the fact that they'll get their EU funds back and hey presto everyone's a winner.
We've come a long way baby. Even look at the Norn Ireland football team, they're not a unionist team anymore, both 'catholics' and 'protestants' play for them now and their supporters are the same
peterweg 36 | 2,323    
25 Jun 2016  #132
Scotland can actually stay part of the EU without being independent and talks have already begun.

As Scotland is not a country I find that unlikely. Main problem Scotland will have is the currency, however, now that Sterling is trashed the Euro will look appealing if they can convert the debt at a low rate.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,589    
25 Jun 2016  #133
obviously Scotland is a 'country' Peter. Perhaps you mean 'state'?
It could become one quite easily, as shown by the referendum already held there.
johnny reb 15 | 3,075    :-(
25 Jun 2016  #134
I don't see what holding a second referendum would accomplish.

It would give the losers time to stack the deck for a sure win.
Then the losers of that would request a third referendum.
Time to face the fact that the people in the U.E. are realizing that Socialism isn't working.
They want to give Capitalism a try by closing their borders and cutting off the flow of welfare to everyone else (immigrants) besides their own people.

They are tired of low wages only to have to share so much of it that they can't take care of themselves.
Poland is in line to leave when the EU puts the gun to their head and tells them to accept the Euro and Muslim immigrants or be cut off the dole.

Hopefully Poland will have the guts the Brits did and say, "bye - bye".
Chemikiem 5 | 1,130    
25 Jun 2016  #135
Chemikiem - absolute disaster for Britain

That is not my quote as you well know Polonius, it is Dougpol1's.

My prediction will be that other countries will follow in UK's path

I think so too, but if other countries have any sense they would be wise to wait and see what the outcome is for the UK first. There is going to be instability for a long period of time in my opinion and no-one knows what what is going to happen.

For the UK to continue trading with Europe as far as I can see, will still require us to pay into the EU, as Norway does for example, and of course, there will still be free movement of people between countries. The leave decision is not going to stop immigration, and in fact more people from outside the EU emigrated to the UK last year than those within it.

Other countries would be wise to see what terms the EU will offer the UK first. I personally feel that all this will have been for nothing, and we will eventually end up almost back where we started, minus voting rights.

My prediction is that France will be next. I think half the population are in favour of a referendum.
TheOther 5 | 3,389    
25 Jun 2016  #136
I don't see what holding a second referendum would accomplish.

Already more than two million signatures under a petition to hold another referendum on the issue...

bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324
whocares    
25 Jun 2016  #137
Excellent. Now other countries need to leave EU.
Maybe France, that would **** of the Cultural Marxists lol.
Szalawa 4 | 253    
25 Jun 2016  #138
Yes, I can see Sweden leaving with a Swexit as well

Already more than two million signatures under a petition to hold another referendum on the issue...

And they wont be satisfied until they get the outcome they want, perhaps they want to rig it this time
TheOther 5 | 3,389    
25 Jun 2016  #139
And they wont be satisfied until they get the outcome they want

Don't forget, the referendum is non-binding. Parliament has the final say, and the pro-EU MPs might be using their Commons majority to keep Britain inside the EU.

I can see Sweden leaving with a Swexit as well

Oh, I can see Germany leaving next year, too. The breaking-apart of the EU would be a disaster for the countries in the south and east of the continent, though.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,897    
25 Jun 2016  #140
the pro-EU MPs might be using their Commons majority to keep Britain inside the EU.

It will be war in the future anyway - only business keeps Europe together. So dictatorial powers to quell the (ignorant) populace can't hurt.
TheOther 5 | 3,389    
25 Jun 2016  #141
It will be war in the future anyway - only business keeps Europe together.

Don't know about war (hopefully not), but you've got the part about business right. From the distance, Europe has always looked like a bunch of jealous kindergarteners who hate each other's guts.
gregy741 3 | 1,110    
26 Jun 2016  #142
Oh, I can see Germany leaving next year, too. The breaking-apart of the EU would be a disaster for the countries in the south and east of the continent, though.

dissaster? it would be big time opportunity to create great union.Poland will have a chance to forge EE kinda union.with croats serbs,ukra ,belarus,cech slovaks and hungarians.

man that would be glorious.the west has become sick man of the world.need to get out quick
GLostEmail    
26 Jun 2016  #143
Disclaimer: I realize only some of these countries are Euroskeptic enough to try referendums, but for a light laugh. No Poland or Denmark. Would Poland be POLygone?

[13:06:00 PM] techzaz-DJ Techzaz
A friend forecasts:
Grexit.
Departugal.
Italeave.
Fruckoff.
Czechout.
Oustria.
Finish.
Slolong.
Latervia.
Byegium.
EU shrinks to Germlonely
[12:05:53 PM] DJ Ginger: lol
gregy741 3 | 1,110    
26 Jun 2016  #144
Would Poland be POLygone?

not bad..lets hope.
for now i just enjoying this show..am only worry about is if i have enough popcorn
boris..and here i was told it was all about principles and fighting for freedom and democracy.:
youtube.com/watch?v=26L2bONxWzQ&list=PLJxnQXiytA_QCqZIXndSNLD_1hTzLBCsD
not worry for poles in the uk..no immigration control..all for nothing.:
youtube.com/watch?v=rCghi2rVaWY
cms 9 | 1,290    
26 Jun 2016  #145
I would have thought any country looking at the carnage in Britain in the last few days would wonder if it really was such a grear idea to have a referendum.
Chemikiem 5 | 1,130    
26 Jun 2016  #146
I must admit, I really do not understand Cameron's motivation for calling one and as I wrote on another thread, any country thinking of doing the same would be wise to wait and see where the UK will end up. More carnage is on the way I feel.
smurf 39 | 1,994    
26 Jun 2016  #147
As Scotland is not a country I find that unlikely

Doesn't matter what you think is likely :D There's legal facts at hand here, so personal feeling don't matter.

Let's have a look at what Scotland's First Minister has been saying

"The issue you are talking about is would there have to be a legislative consent motion or motions for the legislation that extricates the UK from the European Union?

"Looking at it from a logical perspective, I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't be that requirement - I suspect that the UK government will take a very different view on that and we'll have to see where that discussion ends up."


This is simply wonderful, Scotland can veto the Brexit :D
It's just gets funnier and funnier

What'll happen, prob the English will says, naw we still want it, but just so you don't veto it, go ahead and have another Independence Ref.

"When Ms Sturgeon was asked by presenter Gordon Brewer whether she would consider asking the parliament not to back such a motion of legislative consent she replied "of course".

She added: "If the Scottish Parliament was judging this on the basis of what's right for Scotland then the option of saying look we're not to vote for something that's against Scotland's interest, of course that's got to be on the table."


#TeamScotland

bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244
jon357 65 | 13,407    
26 Jun 2016  #148
More carnage is on the way I feel

A lot of mess. It looks now that Scotland may veto any change.
terri 1 | 1,415    
26 Jun 2016  #149
Strange thought but if the decision is 'wrong' that means that 16 million people with British nationality were wrong. One or two maybe but that many millions?
jon357 65 | 13,407    
26 Jun 2016  #150
To expand on that: under section 29 of the Scotland Act 1998 the Scottish Parliament's consent is required to take Scotland out of the EU.

A glimmer of hope at a dark time...




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