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How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.



jon357 70 | 12,786    
13 Apr 2016  #31

The Australia thing isn't realistic. It's too far away and it's hard to imagine the unskilled agricultural, warehouse and retail workers from Eastern Europe being replaced by people from Australia, RSA etc.

Like it or not, Europe is much nearer.


delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
13 Apr 2016  #32

I'm afraid it does. Like me, you are inedible stamped with Britishness.

No! Not in my case!

I did hear that..

It won't happen like that. There's no way the UK is suddenly going to demand visas from EU citizens (what for?) and likewise, no way that EU members are going to demand visas from UK citizens. In the worst case scenario, there'll be tourist visa waivers of 3/6 months given and people will have to apply for a residence permit. In reality, the UK is likely to immediately join the EFTA and will sign agreements with the EU on the freedom of labour/goods/services - meaning that nothing really changes.
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
13 Apr 2016  #33

I personally doubt that UK voters will vote out (and the turnout shall be very low) but now with the Panama Papers in which Cameron is involved, voters may want to punish him and vote against him so against EU. Should it happen, it for sure would be a bomb and the end of EU. With UK out, of course many western countries would demand to get out, includng and not only France (no.2 contributor to EU budget), the Netherlands, maybe Sweden (from some Swedish clients, I got the info that most people "up there" are more than fed up with EU) Danemark. I don't know re countries like Belgium, Italy, Spain, Austria, Finland but I doubt that they are satisfied with EU.

If UK were to get out, the EU could be reduced to Germany, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and the like ;) or Merkel would be alone ;

The EU has become a bureaucratic and incompetent dictatorship misusing tax money and has turned people off.

Personally if UK could vote out, I'd open Champagne! ;)

Fed up to pay for the others and to be told what to do!

PS: there would be NO visa (there were none prior to EU) for tourists but people expecting to work would need work permits and that's all.
TheOther 5 | 3,063    
13 Apr 2016  #34

Fed up to pay for the others and to be told what to do!

I've seen a few polls already that seem to indicate that a growing number of Germans are fed up with the EU as well. Who knows, maybe Germany leaves in 2017?
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
13 Apr 2016  #35

@TheOther: I don't have any contacts with Germans but I'm not suprised. Taxpayers from Germany, France and Italy pay over 50% of the EU budget and people cannot take it. Western Europe is getting poorer and in each country people have to do whatever overpaid NON elected self claimed commissioners tell them to do...

The huge mess is not enough since some of them want to include Turkey, Ukraine, Moldavia, Albania and why not .... Pakistan or Tanzania???

If UK could vote out (but I doubt it), it would be a good relief for everybody in western Europe ;)
TheOther 5 | 3,063    
14 Apr 2016  #36

Taxpayers from Germany, France and Italy pay over 50% of the EU budget and people cannot take it.

I believe that a EU of a handful of core members makes the most sense. It was a very bad idea to expand at such a fast pace, and now the whole of Europe is paying the price.
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
14 Apr 2016  #37

@TheOther: Absolutely! Spot on! :)
européen    
20 May 2016  #38

I pray to God so that england leaves the EU. England has had over 40 years to integrate with other European nations and it failed. GTFO out of Europe.
Tictactoe    
20 May 2016  #40

Am praying too....
européen    
20 May 2016  #41

The English fail to comprehend the concept of equality. De Gaulle saw it. The problem the English have with "the EU telling us what to do" boils down to the fact that an idea of building something together remains completely foreign to them; they see a parallel with Westminster telling the Scots or the Irish what to do and that is the only idea of a union they understand.

Yes, it is Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, it is Europe, it is the whole of Europe, that will decide the fate of the world.

England has never been a part of Europe, except for geographic nomenclature.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,347    
20 May 2016  #42

The problem the English have with "the EU telling us what to do" boils down to the fact that an idea of building something together remains completely foreign to them

yeh have you looked at a map recently? The UK is made up of FOUR countries, the inhabitants of which ALL get to vote! Not just 'the English'. Amazing isnt it?

God I hate ignorance especially when it dressed up as some would be profound statement.

Also, InPolska, do you mean 'the British goverment' or 'the English people' - you seem a tad confused.
As for France I have one thing to say about 'equality' there....and that is 'Drancy'.
dolnoslask 2 | 1,165    
20 May 2016  #43

'Drancy' That be a sad and unfair thing to bring up , especially given the context, and as for brexit the more I read the less likely it will have any real effect on existing migrants / ex pats across europe.

May be in the future there will be rules for migration post brexit
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
20 May 2016  #44

The UK is made up of FOUR countries, the inhabitants of which ALL get to vote! Not just 'the English'. Amazing isnt it?

Not only! Gibraltar is voting too and it's not part of the UK :P
pweeg3    
21 May 2016  #45

So are Irish citizens in the UK

""
The English fail to comprehend the concept of equality. De Gaulle saw it. The problem the English have with "the EU telling us what to do" boils down to the fact that an idea of building something together remains completely foreign to them; they see a parallel with Westminster telling the Scots or the Irish what to do and that is the only idea of a union they understand"

You have zero understanding of the British. What the British object to is unelected socialism and undemocratic behaviour by the EU.

A perfect example being the 250k euro fine for refusing migrants proposed by Jean-Claude Junker. How is that 'building something together', rather than a dictatorship by unelected scumbag?
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 388    
21 May 2016  #46

You have zero understanding of the British. What the British object to is unelected socialism and undemocratic behaviour by the EU.

brits shouldn't have any problems with being ruled by unelected rulers... after all- I don't remember voting for PM nor the queen.
Ironside 44 | 8,307    
21 May 2016  #47

What the British object to is unelected socialism and undemocratic behaviour by the EU.

Nah, what the British object to is the number of immigrants in their country and a perspective that there are more of them coming.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,347    
21 May 2016  #48

Nah, what the British object to is the number of immigrants in their country

That's right, and it is not even just that, it is that we are then told that we are 'too lazy to work' and if we even try and raise it as an issue, that we are 'racist'.
Ironside 44 | 8,307    
21 May 2016  #49

we even try and raise it as an issue, that we are 'racist'.

Hey, you are supposedly living in the leftie paradise, are you fed up with the PC and its definition of the world racism?> You racist you :D

we are then told that we are 'too lazy to work'

Kinda goes both way as Poles are being singled out and made a perfect scapegoat for those who oppose immigration as well as for the politicians to pretend that they want to tackle immigration. On the top of being benefits scourges, jobs thieves, notorious for an anti-social behavior, don't integrate, speak Polish, don't like for some odd reason those oh so very welcoming locals, keep to themselves, talk too loud, don't step of the pavement to allow enough space for a strolling local, send money to Poland and so on ....by comparison being told that you too lazy to work is not that bad.

You must admit it. :D
After all you have the most generous benefits in the world that are just a magnet and a beacon in one for all kinds of misfits. Right after Scandinavia, Germany, France, Swiss land, Canada and the Dutch ....wait? :)
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,347    
21 May 2016  #50

You must admit it. :D

no i really must not...:) Sorry it's boolox that you just made up .
YOu know what, Iron, even if I wanted to rent a room in London, as a native Londoner, I would be discriminated against.
The benefits are really not that generous you know.

tbh I dont think Brits have such a problem with Polish people - it more Roumanians, Bulgarians, Kosovans, Albanians etc that they find scary.

Also, Brexit is being publicly debated on an immigration platform - which is just to appeal to stupid people and their votes. Brexit or not we would still have immigration. ffs.
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 388    
21 May 2016  #51

YOu know what, Iron, even if I wanted to rent a room in London, as a native Londoner, I would be discriminated against.

please, elaborate how would you be a discriminated against (and by who)!
spare no details, I insist.
pweeg3    
21 May 2016  #52

I don't remember voting for PM nor the queen.

Neither of them rule.
Smyk9    
21 May 2016  #53

Despite the **** that might be coming my way post Brexit - I still can't imagine voting anyway other than to leave.

I stay in Poland quite often ... I'm renting a flat and some few months ago registered myself for residential purposes.
I don't work in Poland - but live here for nearly 6 months a year .... I am thinking of buying a nice house or as a stop gap - a dzalka.

Everything is so easy - a little form filling and a few formalities
I can imagine what a pain in the asss buying a house will be were I not an eu citizen ... perhaps that eu registration card will become void - perhaps life will be become a lot more difficult. ........ but even so I couldn't vote anyway but leave.

I guess this is the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite face - does anyone already living in Poland reckon life will become difficult for expat brits. ... or will things for those already living in Poland not really change ?
pweeg3    
21 May 2016  #54

Brexit is being publicly debated on an immigration platform - which is just to appeal to stupid people and their votes.

The funny thing is that Brexit will make zero change to immigration as entry to the EEA is the only alternative and freedom of movement is a key part of it.

How I will laugh when the idiots realise it.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,347    
21 May 2016  #55

please, elaborate how would you be a discriminated against (and by who)!

the council for housing, foreign landlords and house-shares, foreign owned flat agencies, whoever.
Do you think it doesnt happen?
Ironside 44 | 8,307    
21 May 2016  #56

no i really must not...:) Sorry it's boolox that you just made up .

OK? now I know what to say to get you all riled up. :P
As for blx, you need only to read something else that PF. Even on PF you can find it a plenty, there is only one item on this list of complains that I have made up - sad really.

YOu know what, Iron, even if I wanted to rent a room in London, as a native Londoner, I would be discriminated against.

If you say so.... Would you care to explain? Maybe I'm stupid in thinking that rental business is ruled by the market.
That however support my argument I made talking to Chemikiem that so called 'special' legislation created that supposedly is there to combat racism and whatnot are simply a ground which breeds resentment.

The benefits are really not that generous you know.

Hey did you read my post? I believe that was the point I was making, I'm glad that you agree with me.

tbh I dont think Brits have such a problem with Polish people - it more Roumanians, Bulgarians, Kosovans, Albanians etc that they find scary.

Do you think that they can tell the difference?

Also, Brexit is being publicly debated on an immigration platform - which is just to appeal to stupid people and their votes.

Roz, you are pretty much an educated and traveled person who has some interest in public issues. I'm afraid that for your run of the mill countrymen that is the main and a sole reason for Brexit. I'm sure they are some people with valid concerns and issues in regard to the EU but those are few and between.

"still have immigration " - but controlled roz , controlled....:) by the way just the in case you would miss it again I'm agreeing with you here.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,347    
21 May 2016  #57

Do you think that they can tell the difference?

yes...
although of course every country has its quota of stupid people...
Tictactoe    
21 May 2016  #58

People know what the EEA is, but you have to start somewhere. At least a vote of no is a vote of no confidence in the federal state. Charles De Gaulle was right we are insular, we are an island, that's a fact, we share no land mass with continent.

But like any disobeying leader he was removed from office and a more appropriate one put in his place who accepted the UK joined and no veto anymore. There is a list of removed leaders who don't tow the line and after the referendum, the current Polish Catholic government will be removed.

The EU is a huge corporate Mafia, you're just unaware. Don't worry, Poland will pay the price in about 10 years time. Nothing is free and Poland will learn a harsh lesson.
Ironside 44 | 8,307    
21 May 2016  #59

Don't worry

Why would she worry? She is French.

Poland will pay the price

Poland has been paying for the last two decades, already.
Religio    
20 Jun 2016  #60

Merged: UK expats voting for Brexit

Financial Times reporting that UK expats are voting for Brexit no matter what. Even if it adversely affects healthcare, pensions and the pockets of expats living abroad.

Do PF's UK expats agree?




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