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Poland blocks any action on climate change


kondzior 8 | 931    
7 Dec 2012  #61
Most of these researchers work in universities. Have you ever observed a college professor? It is all about (factional) politics, causes and sometimes petty grievances, maybe in reaction to the 'ivory tower' environment (nothing useful actually to do).

PS. No one offered any arguments against my "serpent people" hypothesis, so I do not see any reason to continue with it. If you have any new data, we can return to our pervious disscusion in that other thread.

Since now I have more time, I try to explain to you what is wrong with that article that Jon linked to. They agree that warming periods started without any CO2 increase, they correctly state that increased temperatures caused the rise of CO2 levels, then jump to conclusion, or rather to a straw man, that said CO2 increase have made the "warming" period even longer and warmer, without offering any evidence to support that claim.
jon357 65 | 13,654    
7 Dec 2012  #62
Read it carefully - that's actually the opposite of the findings of their research.
kondzior 8 | 931    
7 Dec 2012  #63
Do you even know your own language? So amuse me, tell me about these findings
... of course, globowarmthinkerists are so confused they can never decide what they are talking about ... "carbon" (WTF?!?!?!?!?! 2nd most plentiful element in the universe) or "carbon dioxide" (WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Do these morons believe these two substances are interchangeable?!?!?!?!?!? They HAVE ALMOST NO RELATIONSHIP AT ALL WITH ONE ANOTHER!!!!!!!!!!)

We can't analyze the "arguments" of globowarmthinkerists until they stop talking like they have dropped acid. Nothing they say has ever made sense AT ANY LEVEL
Yosemite 2 | 88    
10 Mar 2016  #64
100% of scientists do not believe that man mad C02 emissions are responsible for climate change? last i checked 97.2% of scientists did.

So lets ask one thousand scientists of their belief that the Pyramids were built by man. Unless all 1000 or 100% either agree or disagree does that mean it was or wasn't? What if 97.2% concurred? could that be classed as solid proof? I mean whether the pyramids were built by man or not doesn't have a direct effect on our sustainability on this planet, but climate change does. I'd say 97.2 % is a pretty solid figure to cause action, despite jobs being in jeopardy.
Szalawa 4 | 253    
10 Mar 2016  #65
100% of scientists do not believe that man mad C02 emissions are responsible for climate change?

Lolz, did my post infuriate you so much that you had to go look for a climate change thread and post under it? Greenhouse gases can be a contribution but is it for certain the cause to climate change we currently experience? well its more complicated then that. As we can not isolate a single variable outside lab conditions we do not know what fluctuations occur in the natural environment, such variations as the tilt of the earth and solar flares (la nina, el nino as temporary reasons) can be the reason behind such warming. We can not rule that out as there is so little we know, and after all... we make hypothesis that have to be proven, we assumed them to be true before hand but that does not mean that it is true. We know H20 is the largest greenhouse gas contributing to global warming so to speak and methane as the most potent. C02 is widely considered the sinister gas for this fear mongering, but as we know, we need C02, its what the plants breathe. Solution if there be a need is to plant more vegetation and leave carbon sinks such as the Pripyat marshes alone, that's what I believe is driving climate change, the destruction of our marsh lands/peat lands and forests/rain forests, more so then greenhouse gas emissions.

In the scientific community...we got a problem, too many are being paid to come up with data and hypothesis to support agendas in exchange for grants, often data is being fabricated to suit these agendas... so when it come down to something as politically intertwined as climate change it can be difficult to access what is true and what is *********. Just because something is published does not necessarily mean it is correct, there could be many flaws that need continual work on to be assessed.

(3 years study in ecology, environmental science and physical geography)
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
13 Nov 2016  #66
Looks like Poland will be getting support from President Trump on the climate change hoax.
Donald Trump, who calls global warming a hoax and has promised to quit the Paris Agreement, was considering ways to bypass a theoretical four-year procedure for leaving the accord, according to a source on Trump's transition team.

As has been pointed all over the internet, Trump's victory is likely to be a disaster for national and international action on climate change.

It's therefore unsurprising that Trump, an avowed climate change denier and fossil fuel champion, looks set to stack his key energy and environment positions with oil and gas men and free market zealots.

Poland now will have an allied in the international climate change hoax which no doubt could put thousands of Polish coal miners back to work.
Weg04    
13 Nov 2016  #67
Don't feed the Russian Trolls
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
13 Nov 2016  #68
Actually it is Russia that wants to benefit from weaning Warsaw off coal.
Russia wants to sell Poland nuclear energy and oil.
Poland has an abundance of coal.
Certain organizations and media are selectively lying that coal is killing people and destroying the environment with the global warming hoax and CO2 emissions.
There is a new technology that allows connecting coal industry with the environment.
The European Union blocks transforming the coal industry.
Poland 'could' build new clean coal plants that would use less coal and emit 90% less.
This would create jobs also.
Poland is told to build new plants based on Russian gas and imported nuclear power, whereas Poland already has rich coal resources.
So hardly a Russian troll Guest Poster.
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
24 Nov 2016  #69
Poland blocked combined European efforts to take stricter climate actions until 2020 for the third time.

Poland is onto the Global Warming Hoax.
Speaking of the climate change hoax....................
The Japanese capital of Tokyo on Thursday was hit by its first November snow in 54 years, slowing rush hour trains as residents slogged to work wearing heavy coats and boots in a city far more accustomed to earthquakes than to snow.

msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/tokyo-hit-by-first-november-snow-in-54-years/ar-AAkG5NM?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U348DHP

Notice the map on the right of this article showing that the northern United States is expected to have "BELOW" normal temperatures this winter.

The Bleeding Heart Liberals have no scientific evidence and yet they continue with their fear mongering.
jon357 65 | 13,654    
24 Nov 2016  #70
Global Warming

Even the Trump person has started to acknowledge the reality of man-made global warming.
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
24 Nov 2016  #71
Not really, Trump has just softened his stance on it to appease the other side as ay politician would do.
jon357 65 | 13,654    
24 Nov 2016  #72
softened his stance on it

Exactly as I said.

Man-made global warming is a reality.
tellthetruth    
24 Nov 2016  #73
The reality is that Maurice Strong should been jailed for the damage he has caused the global economy.
jon357 65 | 13,654    
24 Nov 2016  #74
As he got older and more mature he got better.
tellthetruth    
24 Nov 2016  #75
Good point Jon, he holed himself up in an apartment in Shaghai and became a recluse. I do not want to single out the Canadians, but they do seem to breed some of the craziest people with f+cked up ideas on federalism and one world orders. Maurice Strong was a criminal and the front person for Carbon credits trading, which is the biggest scam on this planet. You can pay to pollute, so you can pollute if you have money.
jon357 65 | 13,654    
24 Nov 2016  #76
Certainly he had a chequered youth in the fossil fuels field, however he did repent and get better about it.

I do not want to single out the Canadians, but they do seem to breed some of the craziest peopl

This much is true, nuts like Kevin Annett etc, however they as a rule do tend to be conscious of the environment and alert to the (possibly irrevocable) effects of man-made climate change.

Carbon credits trading, which is the biggest scam on this plane

Not the biggest by far but getting there. Allowing polluters to continue polluting by bribing less developed countries. At least in Poland (still very polluted here in Warsaw) things are slowly improving.
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
24 Nov 2016  #77
Man-made global warming is a reality.

If there was any scientific evidence to support your claim Trump would pay attention.

softened his stance on it

Exactly as I said.

But that is not exactly what I said, I said that:

Trump has just softened his stance on it to appease the other side as any politician would do.

"Appease" was the key word you left out.
Trump knows it is a hoax and how Al Gore has become a Billionaire off the hoax.
Trump is going to give the coal miners back the jobs Obama took away from them.
Poland in the same way knows it is a hoax and that is why they are passing the buck until 2020.
Marsupial - | 914    
25 Nov 2016  #78
It is irrelevant one does not show evidence to an uneducated idiot as idiot can't inderstand it. The reason researchers work in unis is becsuse they are smart not dumb low income earners. Now that trump is in the usa will simply be left behind in idiot land like poor poland. China will easily overtake the usa technologically as will germany as will almost everyone.eanwhile we disconnected from the grid and our car uses 1.9 l per 100km. Good luck selling your backward trash to anyone but internally to the poor sods that live there. When the wortless baby boomer idiots are dead the world will improve.
Marsupial - | 914    
25 Nov 2016  #79
Yeah serpent people wortless cretin. Back to scrubbing the toilets.
jon357 65 | 13,654    
25 Nov 2016  #80
Trump would pay attention.

He is at the moment beginning to do do just that, since man-made global warming is a reality and a very dangerous one.

Poland, by the way, acknowledges it too.
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
4 Jan 2017  #81
global warming is a reality and a very dangerous one. Poland, by the way, acknowledges it too.

Is that why this thread is named 'Poland blocks any action on climate change' ?
You are wasting your time worrying about the climate change hoax.
What most likely will wipe most of the population off the face of the earth will be one of the infectious super bugs that there is no antidote for.

Funny how no one talks about that when it is much more of a threat to man kind then climate change.
Once the New World Order releases a super bug, man made global warming will be a moot point because 50% of the world population will be dead. (Agenda 21)

There, global warming all fixed until we have the nuclear world war that melts the earth.
The global warming hoax is the last of this worlds worries right now.
Marsupial - | 914    
4 Jan 2017  #82
Poland is more backward under pis. Luckily they will be ignored along with the other crackpots. Fortunately poland does not rely on exporting yesteryear energy so it cannot dig itself into a hole that way. In fact a polish woman invented the best piece of solar kit around. Poland can kiss the ass of progress like all who ignore it will.
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
4 Jan 2017  #83
Poland is more backward under pis.

You are backwoods. A toddler lost in the fog. Dimwit. Stop posting untreated stuff about things you have no clue about. You're doing it all the time it is boring.

Poland can kiss the ass of progress

You sound like a kid. Grow up!
NoToForeigners 6 | 986    
4 Jan 2017  #84
You're doing it all the time it is boring.

Guy has some serious issues.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,183    
4 Jan 2017  #85
Poland may be proved right in not being bullied into sacrificing it's coal mining industry, technology is moving a pace to clean things up

Indian firm makes carbon capture breakthrough

theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/03/indian-firm-carbon-capture-breakthrough-carbonclean

Many countries may regret shuuting down and flooding their coal mines , only to find that they are totaly reliant on foreign oil and gas supplies, and hence under the influence of forign powers and oligarchs
Peeweeher    
4 Jan 2017  #86
Most of the world won't need much fossil fuels in a decade.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,183    
4 Jan 2017  #87
Why is that , someone cracked cold fusion
NoToForeigners 6 | 986    
4 Jan 2017  #88
@dolnoslask
Actually we are very close to do that.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,183    
4 Jan 2017  #89
Actually we are very close to do that.

Actually do you know that many innovations in cleaner technology have been invented but the patents were bought out and put on the back shelf , guess who bought them and put them in room 101,

Oil and gas is big business woe betide anyone who points to a better energy solution.

Time will tell he, my guess is that we will still be creeping round arming and supporting countries like Saudi Arabia, regardless on their record on human rights and their support for terrorism, because we need the oil and gas to fuel our power stations

Polish coal may not be clean but its blood free,
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
4 Jan 2017  #90
but its blood free,

And helps support the economy of southern Poland and puts food on the table.



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