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Poland blocks any action on climate change


Rich Mazur 4 | 3,588
18 May 2019  #331
What is really "funny", not ha ha funny, is that the globalists and their leftist useful idiots, with plenty of them here, just don't see the conflict and their own stupidity in demanding open borders and lower fossil fuel consumption - both at the same time.

Well, geniuses, when Ramirez moves to "America", he will heat and cool his apartment, buy two cars, and run his two teevees all day long. Duh! Back in his sh**hole, he had a bicycle and no running water to deplete the earth limited resources.
mafketis 20 | 7,327
18 May 2019  #332
The problem for me is that I cannot discern that any of the powers that be are _really_ concerned about climate change. The piddling half measures trotted out usually seem to involve collecting extra charges that go to undisclosed organizations.

Also the scale of proposed action cannot possibly have any real effect. I've read that two airline flights a year cancels out any carbon reduction a person otherwise engages in.

I'll believe that those in power are really concerned when they propose grounding over 80% of all jet travel or something similar with a large enough scope that it might make a difference...
johnny reb 17 | 3,873
18 May 2019  #333
I cannot discern that any of the powers that be are _really_ concerned about climate change.

And this is why Trump boycotted the Summit.
Six months after the Summit the U.S.A. had decreased our carbon output yet China who did attend the Summit increased their carbon output.

How can you compete with a country like that ?
While Poland refuses nuclear energy and keeps right on burning cheap dirty coal.
Seems nobody wants to sacrifice squat to fix the problem and the finger pointing continues.
The only fix I can see is another world war to eliminated 80% of the population.
Spike31 2 | 865
18 May 2019  #334
While Poland refuses nuclear energy and keeps right on burning cheap dirty coal.

Actually Poland is a burning black coal which is much cleaner when it comes to gas emisions than brown coal burned in German powerplants. Brown coal produces a large amount of Sulfur Dioxide on top of large amount of CO2.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

I know that facts are you enemies, Johnny, but please try to make friends with them.

That said, there shouldn't be any CO2 regulations and each country should decide for themselves. This is especially important for developing countries who wants to build their economies on industry which is the only proven way to move from a club of perpetually "developing countries" to"developed countries".
Joker 1 | 1,116
18 May 2019  #335
While Poland refuses nuclear energy and keeps right on burning cheap dirty coal

Dude, I seen it with my own eyes! Its this blackish green smoke that billows out of 1/2 the chimneys. To be fair, many of the homes have converted over to gas, but its still nasty. You can see black soot dripping down the roofs of the homes that still use it. The worst thing is the smell and not to mention youre breathing in this crap!

If the new green AOC party were to see this, they would be thankful for the EPA and all their emission controls that are in place throughout the US.
johnny reb 17 | 3,873
18 May 2019  #336
I know that facts are you enemies, Johnny,

Here are some of what I base my facts on:

theguardian.com/environment/gallery/2018/dec/14/poland-deadly-coal-addiction-in-pictures

I know common sense is not a gift Spike, it's a punishment because I have to deal with people like you who don't have it.
johnny reb 17 | 3,873
24 Aug 2019  #337
The climate hoax has finally been confirmed.
Obama's just spent $15 million on a home in Martha's Vineyard that he claimed, while in office, would be under water within ten years with the rise of the oceans water caused by climate change. lol

Maybe he only plans on living there for seven years before it floods.

What a Hoot !
cms neuf - | 951
24 Aug 2019  #338
This is the Poland section Johnny - we are just entering our 4th 30 degree plus heatwave of the summer.

Might be normal but shopping for my kids yesterday they were putting out winter coats.
johnny reb 17 | 3,873
24 Aug 2019  #339
This is the Poland section Johnny

The climate change propaganda by obama effected Poland by supplying false facts.
I merely pointed out that obama was busted with his hypocrisy.
And the useful idiots panic and get sucked right into these lies.
If I had concern about climate change I would be focusing on the fires burning in the rain forests in South America that supply 30% of the oxygen to the world.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,610
24 Aug 2019  #340
Actually, this year we are having the second such hot summer in a row in Poland. Climate change has become reality and not only statistics.

fires burning in the rain forests in South America that supply 30% of the oxygen to the world.

These fires will just add to climate change. The man chiefly responsible for the fires in Amazonia is Brazil's president Jair Bolsonaro, knicknamed "Brazilian Trump".
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,588
24 Aug 2019  #341
Climate change has become reality and not only statistics.

What is "climate"? Is one hot summer in Poland "climate change"? How about two hot summers? Did two hot summers happen in the last 1000 years in Poland?

And what do we do about it while China, India and every underdeveloped sh*thole are free to pollute forever? Yes, forever, because once they get an exemption they will never give it up.
johnny reb 17 | 3,873
24 Aug 2019  #342
Climate change has become reality and not only statistics.

You mean the statistics that the scientists admittedly lied about ?
I see you still haven't done your homework that I gave you Z.
[quote=johnny reb]I wonder if any of them have ever read their history books about the Maunder Minimum when Europe had no summers to speak of.This article explains it well.

livescience.com/51597-maunder-minimum-mini-ice-age.html

The earths climate goes in cycles from cold to hot and hot to cold over time all by the acts of Mother Nature.
If you disagree then please explain the Maunder Minimum.
Crow 137 | 7,631
24 Aug 2019  #343
Why Poland blocks any action on climate change, is rather rhetorical question. Poland is tired to listen others and now when Poland got erection, Poland blocks.
johnny reb 17 | 3,873
24 Aug 2019  #344
and not only statistics.

Lets look at the Factual Statistics then about WHO is doing something about carbon emissions and who isn't.
"Paris Agreement" by the United Nations, is an international agreement reached in 2015 aimed at reducing carbon emissions, slowing rising global temperatures and helping countries deal with the effects of climate change.

Since then carbon emissions have sky rocketed around the world and that is why Trump walked out knowing it was a joke.
And the names you useful idiots called Genius Trump for not participating was just beyond laughable.
Since the 2015 Paris Agreement the United States has decreased our carbon emissions far greater then any other country on earth by more then double" with China increasing theirs by the most which is almost off the charts.

capitalresearch.org/app/uploads/AEI-Chart-with-2017-CO2-Emissions.png

How are countries who play by the rules suppose to compete with those who do not ????
Anyone ?
Dougpol1 31 | 3,055
20 Sep 2019  #345
Any climate change protests by school children in Poland today? Or are schools too busy, going on inane trips to the cinema and such like?



Crow 137 | 7,631
20 Sep 2019  #346
Earth is quite well. Anglos, Frankos and Germanics didn`t ruin and eaten everything. Now we eat. Again. They beg us not to eat. Idiots.
johnny reb 17 | 3,873
20 Sep 2019  #347
Any climate change protests by school children in Poland today?

They should be protesting electric cars.
The strain they are going to put on the electrical grid in the future will create another huge problem.
Maybe the children could explain to their teachers that it takes carbon fuels (Coal) to create that electricity.
kaprys 2 | 1,869
20 Sep 2019  #348
@Dougpol1
I'm not sure about protests but as far as I remember, mid-September is when Clean Up the World takes places and kids go to parks, forests etc to pick rubbish. A quick google search shows it's this weekend. Perhaps a more active way to show kids what ecology is but that's just my opinion.
Dougpol1 31 | 3,055
20 Sep 2019  #349
a more active way to show kids what ecology is

Excellent. Unfortunately it's not just a question of ecology any more though. Shirley you are not a climate change denier kapyrs? and in my view the supermarket or fast food outlets next to these forests/waste land should be held responsible. Biedronka (as a case study) make the vast profits. So they should be held accountable, or the council can clear the area and present them with the bill.

Easy.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,317
20 Sep 2019  #350
What is the point of small European countries trying to be more ecologically sound when China and India continue to massively pollute?
Lenka 3 | 1,547
20 Sep 2019  #351
Or are schools too busy, going on inane trips to the cinema and such like?

Protest shouldn't be a school thing. Protest is expression of one views so organiaing it as a school activity is counterproductive imo

@Milo
Of course we can do nothing but will that change anything? Are you stealing because after all so many others do? Do you litter since others do?
Miloslaw 6 | 2,317
20 Sep 2019  #352
Of course we can do nothing but will that change anything?

My question is "Will doing something change anything?"
And the answer is clearly NO!
Lenka 3 | 1,547
20 Sep 2019  #353
Ti be fair we don't know. China and India might be quite different in 10 years.
And it does change something. Even if a tiny bit.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,317
20 Sep 2019  #354
China and India might be quite different in 10 years

Lenka, do you want a bet on that?
I don't know many Chinese, but I know Indians very well.......
kaprys 2 | 1,869
20 Sep 2019  #355
@Dougpol1
What do supermarkets have to do with kids?
As for climate change, not słodziaki ...
Clean Up the World is organised worldwide really and though I don't know where the protest in your photo took place, if that's a recent photo, it's probably part of the event, too.

Ecology like charity; ) starts at home. Whether or not kids are encouraged to take part in such actions at school (and Lenka actually made a great point about a protest organised at school) if they're not taught the basics at home, a random school protest or cleaning won't change much.

As for legislations and laws, it's the government's role
cms neuf - | 951
20 Sep 2019  #356
Well one point is that Polish cities would have cleaner air - you don't spend much time here so probably don't realize what a serious health issue that is for us.

So the Polish govt can work on that - that grey smog is not floating over from India
kaprys 2 | 1,869
20 Sep 2019  #357
@cms neuf
Well, I spend most of my time here and I agree about the smog.
But again - it's the government's role
Miloslaw 6 | 2,317
20 Sep 2019  #358
Well one point is that Polish cities would have cleaner air

Poland is probably the most air polluted country in Europe.
Southern Poland especialy.
It is a serious health hazard and needs to be addressed, but it will not make a difrerence to "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" even if sorted out.

We need to get The Chinese and Indians to act, otherwise we are just wasting our time.
Dougpol1 31 | 3,055
20 Sep 2019  #359
What do supermarkets have to do with kids?

You suggested schoolkids should be picking up litter. Most of the litter is near supermarkets (round the back, etc)
I was saying make it the supermarkets responsibility - or put cameras there and prosecute the local low-life population for boozing and littering. And build some facilities such as pubs and cafes, to show that there is no excuse for scum behaviour any more, and fine people properly for despoiling the environment.

In the meantime - the children whose future it is should have been out on the streets today demonstrating with the rest of Europe.
Nottingham - my home town, had many thousands of schoolchildren marching in the town square today insisting that world governments must act now against climate change..

And what did Polish school children do was my question.
Anybody?
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,588
20 Sep 2019  #360
In the meantime - the children whose future it is should have been out on the streets today demonstrating with the rest of Europe.

The ruling classes love using kids as tools to stifle any criticism. Who, other than me, would ever say that the teenagers are lying idiots and that is why we send them to schools and colleges to become adult lying idiots - and just better at it.

Later, that skill will be useful running for offices.


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