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An article: NATO is the American occupation of Poland and Europe, by Mateusz Piskorski


Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
28 May 2018  #151
No - a peaceful Europe is in the interests of the US. Basically doubles the size of the market for US companies,

It takes a lot of coke sold to recover what we spend to protect euro butts.
TheWizard - | 238
28 May 2018  #152
Yeah now that weapon sales to isis have dried up.
cms neuf - | 866
29 May 2018  #153
US total defensive and is 700 bn - this is not just for NATO, it covers all territories including defence of the US itself

US exports to the EU are 290 billion. US S&P 500 sales of European divisions are circa 450 billion.

So yes that is a lot of coke.

I like the US defence umbrella - it's awesome to be protected by all of that modern firepower and technology, will come in handy against the rustbucket Russian ships and planes if ever its needed.

Still Putin is smart - why waste money on weapons when you can employ some poorly paid youths to spin propaganda from the basement ? Well they are busy typing Putin is sunning himself on one of his yachts. Unless of course he is wrestling with a bear, scuba-diving or scoring the winning goal in a hockey match
Tacitus 2 | 822
29 May 2018  #154
The USA spending only a fraction of their defence budget on the defence of Europe compared to what they spend on their troops in the ME and Asia. Their largest number of troops are in South Korea and Japan. And las time I checked, none of their aircraft carriers are in the Baltic Sea.
TheOther 5 | 3,646
29 May 2018  #155
Germany can do the same.

Germany does not owe the U.S. a dime. The 2% target is simply a guideline, there's no penalty for not meeting it. It is up to each NATO country to decide how much to spend on its military and how to use the money.

to recover what we spend...

If you have global ambitions, you pay. Simples.
johnny reb 16 | 3,493
29 May 2018  #156
will come in handy against the rustbucket Russian ships and planes if ever its needed.

Who's propaganda have you been listening to.
Russia has developed a ultra super sonic missile that can reach the United States in twenty minutes, the U.S. has nothing that compares to that which worries Washington.

NEVER underestimate your enemy son.

The USA spending only a fraction of their defence budget on the defence of Europe

And how much does Europe spend of their defense budget on the defense of the U.S.A. ?

A US-Russia ground war on Russia's door step. Sure.

What I said was, "A ground war would last no longer then a week if Russia decided to keep it a ground war."
If the U.S.A. (NATO) was not in Europe, Russia could walk through the EU on the ground in one week is what I meant.

Anyone beg to differ ?
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
29 May 2018  #157
Germany does not owe the U.S. a dime.

Than the US should say good bye, up, and go home because, it seems, Germany couldn't care less and is doing us a favor. Do they charge the US rent? I wouldn't be surprised.

What pisses me off big time is that we call these lopsided silly arrangments as "mutual defense treaties". Mutual my a**.

Yeah, Germany or Japan are going to come to the defense of the United States. Sure. At best, they would express their support by email.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
29 May 2018  #158
And how much does Europe spend of their defense budget on the defense of the U.S.A. ?

Perfect. Well done.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
29 May 2018  #159
US exports to the EU are 290 billion.

I am old but not stupid. Nice sleight of hand, though.

You see, you conveniently forgot the reverse flow. We call it imports.

FYI, the US trade deficit with Europe was 150 billion in 2016. Let me explain what this means.

It means that if Europe just blew up and disappeared, we would keep said 150 billions here. No, we don't need Europe to trade with or for anything else. So far, Europe has been a pita to the US of biblical proportions.

Further, the rule is that every one billion of trade deficit equals 20,000 jobs sent abroad or staying home. Now, if you divide 150 billion bucks that went to Europe and never came back by 20,000 bucks per job that went with it...

Well, you can do the math. BTW, please don't forget to add 5 service jobs for every manufacturing job kept.

There is a reason why some call me "professor".
Rich Mazur 4 | 2,930
29 May 2018  #160
What I said was, "A ground war would last no longer then a week if Russia decided to keep it a ground war."

Maybe I wasn't clear.

I agree.
Joker 1 | 942
29 May 2018  #161
It is up to each NATO country to decide how much to spend on its military and how to use the money.

And most of these deadbeat countries decided to not to pay even the bare minimum until recently when pushed by Trump.

If the EU is so great and powerful then there shouldn't be any problem of dissolving NATO and let the Europeans take care of their own defense, instead of afflicting a huge tax burden upon the American taxpayer?

It goes unappreciated by Europeans anyhow, let them pay for their own way.

Call up Brussels and complain...lol
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2018  #162
It goes unappreciated by Europeans anyhow, let them pay for their own way.

sure..then the world should dump dollar and ban it as as trading currency and ban US financial sector in Europe.get rid of dollars kept as reserves and sell all US bonds.i think china got like trillion worth US bonds. you get inflation higher than Venezuela in no tine.

trade resources and goods in euro or yuan.sanction gulf states and buy oil and gas from Iran and Russia..and stop supporting US wars and terrorism.this would put you in line
Tacitus 2 | 822
29 May 2018  #163
@johnny reb

And how much does Europe spend of their defense budget on the defense of the U.S.A. ?

Quite a lot actually. The USA is the only the country who has invoked support by the Nato. That US politicians still have the nerve to complain after so many Europeans died or have been wounded for them in Afghanistan is very telling.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2018  #164
That US politicians still have the nerve to complain

they are just pushing sale of their garbage military gear.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2018  #165
same on Poland that piskorski is still in prison.
cms neuf - | 866
29 May 2018  #166
So if say Germany said that NATO should be dissolved, thanks for the memories but we Can stand on our own 2 feet now - and then started a nuclear program, what do you think the US reaction to that would be?

As for EU imports to the US those are things that you either need or want - you have demonstrated perfectly why major powers should act as guarantors of free market and open trade.

You might be a professor but when you got your doctorate why didn't they teach you how to use an ATM?
TheOther 5 | 3,646
29 May 2018  #167
Yeah, Germany or Japan are going to come to the defense of the United States.

There has only been one time that Article 5 of NATO has been invoked, and that was by the USA after 9/11. Germany and other member states are still in Afghanistan fighting that war with us. So what do you complain about?

let the Europeans take care of their own defense

They are discussing this already.

instead of afflicting a huge tax burden upon the American taxpayer

The USA decides for itself how much it wants to spend on its military. That has nothing to do with NATO. The 2% target is a guideline, not a must. You know there's a difference between NATO dues (which cover operational costs) and the increased military spending that Trump is demanding, don't you?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,377
29 May 2018  #168
still in Afghanistan fighting that war with us.

Trillions of dollars, the best tech, tons of soldiers, 17 plus years and they still can't defeat a bunch of goat herders and farmers with rusty ak47s...

They are discussing this already.

Indeed the eu has already created numerous eu security organizations, complete with goose stepping soldiers waving the eu flag.

But if they think a eu army is going to scare russia much less repel.an invasion theyre sorely mistaken. The us cant even defend against the newest russian missle tech and the eu is somehow going to rofl please....

The 2% target is a guideline, not a must. You know there's a difference between

Right because the eu has really cared about rules and guidelines. Whenever a nations citizens voted against the Lisbon treaty they brought it in anyway. Happened to Ireland, Netherlands, etc. If it goes against the eu project of.creatinf a united socialist monostate rules, guidelines and even referendums arent respected.

And I bet now theyll push another brexit referendum and itll have a different outcome - just like they did to Ireland eith the Lisbon treaty referendum

Not respecting your own rules, guidelines and votes is right out of the commie playbook
TheOther 5 | 3,646
29 May 2018  #169
they still can't defeat a bunch of goat herders and farmers with rusty ak47s...

And the worst thing is, the U.S. carries some responsibility for the creation of the Taliban by "arming the Afghan resistance".

But if they think a eu army is going to scare russia much less repel.an invasion theyre sorely mistaken

That's why France and Germany will at some point in time start a joint nuclear weapons program now that the U.K. is leaving the union.

Right because the eu has really cared about rules and guidelines

The EU as an organization has no say in NATO matters.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,377
29 May 2018  #170
"arming the Afghan resistance

Well it was Reagan's idea to arm the most radical faction against the commies. Rhey werent interested in the more moderate ones. And then us money had to be spent buying back the same stingers and blowpipes they sent once they realized giving anti helicopter rockets to islamic fundamentalists was a bad idea...

The EU as an organization has no say in NATO matters

Yes, but almost all EU members are NATO members so obviously theyre connected

France and Germany will at some point in time start a joint nuclear weapons program

And it still wont be enough to counter russia... russia could overrun the baltics within a day and one sarmat missle (awesome.name btw) could wipe out all of france

The reason why poland is looking to the us for security and not other eu/nato nations is because they knew only the us had a chance against russia. Just look at the total lack of response in Ukraine and these hypocrites talk about 'european solidarity'
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
29 May 2018  #171
I contemplated. Its good to have US conventional troops on Polish soil. Sooner or later Germany would went crazy over internal turmoils and another Hitler would emerge. And we know what Hitler`s do. See, with US conventional troops in Poland, I like to think that Germany won`t dare.

On the other side, when it comes to Russia, US conventional troops can`t damage Polish-Russian relations. Radar and rocket systems can be dangerous if we presume that some US idiot (or provoker) in some installation can accidentally launch some missile onto Russia what then can provoke Russian retaliation. That could be dangerous but, US conventional troops aren`t. Bases for conventional US troops would be even good for Poland`s economy.
TheOther 5 | 3,646
29 May 2018  #172
with US conventional troops in Poland, I like to think that Germany won`t dare

Nobody is interested in "Lebensraum im Osten" anymore over there, Crow. Take a deep breath and relax... :)

I doubt that Poland will ever be attacked again, but if then it will be the Russians. With American troops on the frontline, that conflict would turn nuclear faster than you can say oops.

And it still wont be enough to counter russia

I don't believe that's the purpose of nuclear arms. It's about deterrence.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,377
29 May 2018  #173
That's why I'm against it. It's not western Europe that will be wasted by a war with russia, poland will face the most destruction. Yet pis insists on poking the bear...

And a eu army will not be enough to deter russia... even with an expanded nuke program. Nato and eu still arent helping ukraine push russia out and retake Crimea. They've given up on that a long time ago. And poland and sooner the baltics esp Estonia will have to do all the heavy lifting should russia invade. That's why imo poland should learn to live next to russia rather than constantly antagonizing them. Neutrality would be our safest option.
TheOther 5 | 3,646
29 May 2018  #174
poland will face the most destruction

That's a given, I'm afraid, but bombs, radiation and fallout won't stop at the border. Nobody wins a nuclear war.
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
29 May 2018  #175
Nobody is interested in "Lebensraum im Osten" anymore over there, Crow. Take a deep breath and relax... :)

you are naive. Behind destruction of Yugoslavia and partition of Serbia is Germany on the first place (then other western European countries, US Clinton`s and Islamic league followed), with activated her regional Nazi and Nazi-Islamic satellites within Croatia and among Bosnian and Albanian Muslims.
johnny reb 16 | 3,493
29 May 2018  #176
fallout won't stop at the border

Good point, radiation will make the air, soil, water all toxic for life times to come.
It would only take four nukes to decimate the EU, Warsaw, London, Paris, Berlin and game over.
Oh, and Russia is capable of doing that anytime they want to.
So without Sugar Daddy U.S.A. as the only deterrent the E.U. is screwed.
Respect your enemies and keep them even closer.

some installation can accidentally launch some missile onto Russia what then can provoke Russian retaliation.

And that is what scares me the most of anything.........an oops !
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
29 May 2018  #177
Nato and eu still arent helping ukraine push russia out and retake Crimea.

BBC and CNN won`t tell you that but, have in mind that EU and NATO don`t push Russia from Ukraine but pushing and prevents any Poland`s possible spread of influence onto Ukraine. Preventing deeper Poland`s influence on Ukraine EU/NATO prevents formation of Intermarium. Note that Duda himself betrayed project. That is what his masters ordered to him.

Since EU maiden, joint Ukrainian-Poland`s UKRPOLBAT project is destroyed. Did Russia ever opposed to that program? Never. Why program collapsed? Because Germany (EU) pays Nazi banderists in Ukraine and wants itself to control Ukraine. So, existence of UKRPOLBAT turned to be joke that was then terminated.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2018  #178
good news Crowie.
youtube.com/watch?v=99nQCs3IQT4
world is uniting against terrorist state run by orange clown.talking about dumping dollars and other economical ties.
people have enough of US banditry,stealing and freezing countries money through sanctions, funding terrorists and threats.
Trump wanted the wall around america...the worlds nations will build it for him.
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
29 May 2018  #179
Good news that European leaders, Russia included, talk with optimism about European security and future. I also likes that Japanese, Indians, Africans, Latin Americans, Arabs, Turks and Chinese wants to work with Europe.

As for Trump, don`t forget that it was EU and US Clinton`s/Obama that initiated maiden in Ukraine, not Trump. Trump himself now eat sh** that EU leading powers and sick Clinton`s and Obama provided. Trump will join to progressive world and make US great again, I am sure.
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
29 May 2018  #180
! BRAKING NEWS ! Incident at NATO Parliamentary Assembly in Poland !

I just learned that member of Serbia's parliament (from opposition Radical Party) Natasa Jovanovic caused a shocking debate at NATO Parliamentary Assembly in Poland. She defended Russia and Putin, accusing NATO for destabilizing peace, referring to Yugoslavia, Serbia, Kosovo. She even said that NATO should be careful about what they're doing, not to cross the red line because Putin would respond, and then they'll regret it.

I`ll gave link to news as soon as possible.

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