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The "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign theft from Oswiecim, Poland


southern 75 | 7,096
19 Dec 2009 #91
Maybe they will put a polish sign instead to show that Oswiecim camp was polish.
TheOther 5 | 3,691
19 Dec 2009 #92
Have you seen this?

Quote:
"Avner Shalev, director of Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, said the theft "constitutes a true declaration of war".

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8420053.stm
scrappleton - | 829
19 Dec 2009 #93
the method of transport, all had to be planned with precision as capture would mean prison.

Precision? One end was unscrewed the other end was just ripped away. It was done fairly quick. A prank.. a daring one.. but just a prank. Now Poland has to listen to bullsh.t from Israel for two or three weeks.
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 10,709
19 Dec 2009 #94
Now it's Poland vs Israel??? ;)

No....wait...it must read Germany vs Israel! It was a german camp after all..
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
19 Dec 2009 #95
A strange story. What would someone do with it and why would they want it?

The Polish Government took the sign because government workers are so lazy, and this will be a reminder for them...Put it up in front of some Bureau.
TheOther 5 | 3,691
19 Dec 2009 #96
Bratwurst Boy

It's a serious incident, but still I find the reactions coming from Israel quite a bit over the top, I must admit.
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 10,709
19 Dec 2009 #97
The Polish Government took the sign because government workers are so lazy, and this will be a reminder for them...Put it up in front of some Bureau.

What would be the polish expression for "Arbeit macht frei" ?

I found the reactions coming from Israel quite a bit over the top, I must admit.

Just crass! :(
It isn't Polands nor anybody elses fault...
southern 75 | 7,096
19 Dec 2009 #98
What would be the polish expression for "Arbeit macht frei" ?

''Kurwa.''
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
19 Dec 2009 #99
One end was unscrewed the other end was just ripped away. It was done fairly quick.

You have a point.

Now it's Poland vs Israel??? ;)

No....wait...it must read Germany vs Israel!

i think it was vs Neo-Nazis in general.
Wroclaw Boy
19 Dec 2009 #100
Remember this Norway offers aid for Auschwitz upkeep about Poland basically left to fit the bill for Auschwitz

Personally i was always amazed at the fact that they did'nt charge for entry, its a donation system. As it should be, did Poland have an agreement or grant in place for this as i cant imagine them not taking revenue from a international attraction like that.

I really hope Poland doesnt profit from the camp. As i said before a Golem for the theives..
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
19 Dec 2009 #101
What would be the polish expression for "Arbeit macht frei" ?

Na Zdrowie!
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
19 Dec 2009 #103
The information the police and representatives of the State Museum Auschwitz-Birkenau that the theft was planned.

Sorry for my translation but they are basically saying it was planned.

I really hope Poland doesnt profit from the camp.

Well that is of course debatable. When I first came to Poland 8 years ago, it was Poland's biggest tourist destination, flights, hotels, restaurants etc... all made money of the tourists.

But it being free for visitors means the maintenance money comes from somewhere else.
it is all on that thread about Norway donating, I can't remember off hand.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
19 Dec 2009 #104
They have another one that they used when this one was begin restored or repaired.

I didn't think about that. They can replace it with a replica. They should have had the replica on it in the first place, maybe?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
19 Dec 2009 #105
It seems that the perpetrators had to have a ladder with him. Climb the gate is difficult to unscrew the screws in such a cold too easy. Have to be two or three people - he adds. However, it is too early to say that someone from the museum staff can assist the thieves - said officers.

camera aimed at the same gate with the inscription "Arbeit macht frei" is not recorded anywhere. - There is only online on the Internet - said, "Rom" Inspector Smith.

They can replace it with a replica.

They have already, while they keep looking.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
19 Dec 2009 #106
Wouldn't it be something if they did, in fact, forget to remove the replica and the people who stole it think they have the real thing when it isn't?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
19 Dec 2009 #107
Reward for information about the theft of the "Arbeit macht frei" sign: 115 thousand PLN

In connection with the event today to announce that for any information that will help you to find the stolen inscription " Arbeit macht frei" Director of the Auschwitz -Birkenau designated prize totaling 100 thousand . zł - informed the Auschwitz- Birkenau .

Those interested in submitting relevant information please contact us immediately with the police throughout the country - said in a statement.


Wouldn't it be something if they did, in fact, forget to remove the replica and the people who stole it think they have the real thing when it isn't?

There is a third copy in a holocaust museum in the U.S. too.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
19 Dec 2009 #109
PLN, Zloty, Polish money.

Although that figure is just from the Police, the security company and the museum, so I imagine it will rise substantially very soon.
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 10,709
19 Dec 2009 #110
PLN, Zloty, Polish money.

I know that Seanie! ;)

I was interested in the exchange with Euros...
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
19 Dec 2009 #111
Precision? One end was unscrewed the other end was just ripped away. It was done fairly quick. A prank.. a daring one.. but just a prank. Now Poland has to listen to bullsh.t from Israel for two or three weeks.

Scrappy, are you sure it's a prank?
convex 20 | 3,978
19 Dec 2009 #112
Are you saying that pre 20'th century wars are what a FOOTNOTE? Thats one of the silliest things ever written on here.

Yea, they become a footnote. Ask someone about the Thirty Years' War and see what kind of response you get.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
19 Dec 2009 #113
By now it's prolly been smuggled out of Poland and is who knows where? Could even be on another continent. All they had to do was put it in a box and ship it.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
19 Dec 2009 #114
I was interested in the exchange with Euros...

I don't understand you?

Yea, they become a footnote. Ask someone about the Thirty Years' War and see what kind of response you get.

The First Reich: The Holy Roman Empire (800/962 - 1806)
The Second Reich: The German Empire (1871 - 1918)
The Third Reich: Nazi Germany (1933 - 1945)

answerbag.com/q_view/4009

This type of thing makes me think that Neo-Nazis want a forth Reich.
Again I wish to remind everyone this is purely speculative and just my opinion.

I doubt if it was a Polish commissioned thieft, if it was planned but no doubt there will be a lot of Polish hate propaganda in the up and coming weeks.

The sooner the thieves are caught the better as this is one of those frustrating 'Political' mud throwing sensationalist pieces of news.

By now it's prolly been smuggled out of Poland and is who knows where? Could even be on another continent. All they had to do was put it in a box and ship it.

I would imagine so as the hunt continues and the population of Poland wants it returned.
But if it were just some stupid people, well then they should be caught soon enough or they'll leave it somewhere for the police to take it back, I would not like to be them right now.

They catch a lot of fine art thieves at the sale end of things, perhaps these guys will make their mistake there, if they do not already have a buyer. Again all this is pure speculation.
TheOther 5 | 3,691
19 Dec 2009 #115
I don't understand you?

He wanted to know the exchange rate EUR/Zloty.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
19 Dec 2009 #116
Ah, yes, I misread, I thought he wrote

"What's that, in Euros?".

My bad, I should have known BB is too bright for that.

Today
1 Polish zloty = 0.2382 Euros according to Google, so 115000 PLN reward is about 27393 Euros.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
19 Dec 2009 #117
They catch a lot of fine art thieves at the sale end of things, perhaps these guys will make their mistake there, if they do not already have a buyer. Again all this is pure speculation.

The worst thing that could happen, they take it, ship it someplace, and it goes into storage. It would be harder to find it that way.
Mr Grunwald 31 | 2,079
19 Dec 2009 #118
One thing, useless moronic scumbags! (thoose who stole it ofcourse)
They should have taken the replica and put it up there!! Thoose were NOT professionals! Most probably some scumbags who wants some fun I say...
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
19 Dec 2009 #119
They should have taken the replica and put it up there!! Thoose were NOT professionals! Most probably some scumbags who wants some fun I say...

Yes, I agree...just put the replica on the fence and put the real one in safe keeping.
scrappleton - | 829
19 Dec 2009 #120
But it being free for visitors means the maintenance money comes from somewhere else.

Yeah there ya' go.. probably not a lot of money for security cameras either.

Probably Polish dudes getting a little vodka in them. However, I think it's in the news a lot in Poland of Israeli school kids going on school trips there and wiping feces all over hotel rooms basically acting the fool while they're in the country. Maybe this is retaliation.. who knows?


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