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Anti-government opposition wants to impeach Poland's President Duda


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2016 #1
The leader of the liberal PO party, Grzegorz Schetyna, is calling for the impeachment of President Andrzej Duda and wants to reduce the government's role in the country's regions. This is the latest attempt by the party that was swept out off office by voters last October to derail the administration of the conservative Law and Justice party. Poland has a two-pronged regional system: a voivodship (provincial) office controlled by Warsaw and the Marshal's Office which represents the provincial authorities. Schetyna wants to do away with the voivodship office, but not to reduce bureaucracy. As the PO regime's interior minister, he never made such proposals. Since his PO still dominate many regional assemblies, Schetyna apparently believes eliminating the voivodship office will undermine the central government's authority. That might effectively lead to an all-out cold region v capital civil war against PiS and possibly produce some way of toppling the government. Meanwhile, public support for PiS is growing and the opposition's backing is at one of its lowest ebbs.
10iwonka10 - | 396
4 Jul 2016 #2
What opposition is doing in Poland now is just disgusting.... first running to Brussels for help in attacking current government . Help did not come so new ideas now.

It came to my mind Orwell and pigs at trough.....when trough is taken away it is big squeal.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2016 #3
the impeachment of President Andrzej Duda and wants to reduce the government's role in the country's regions

Very solid grounds for that; he is not above the law.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2016 #4
Very solid grounds

None whatsoever for the best president ever, maybe except for the late lamented Ryszard Kaczorowski. You guys are living in a fairy-tale world whose only programme, only plan, tactic or agenda is to bash PiS. No fresh ideas, no sensitivity to what the nation needs or wants, just bashing morning, noon and night, day after day after day....and public support for the frustrated hate-spewers keeps slipping. At presetn it looks as if Petru won't even make it into the Sejm next time round.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2016 #5
the best president ever

Except he wasn't.

Ryszard Kaczorowski

Nor him.

PiS have to obey the law; if they don't (and they don't) they will be subject to any and ever sanction the law provides.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2016 #6
PiS have to

PiS have to serve the Polish nation, not a narrow post-commie elitist clique of foreign-interest lobbyists and compliant media types, academics nad entertainers -- the PO's traditonal constituency. But their time is over. The good-change era is now under way. May it last indefinitely!
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2016 #7
PiS have to serve the Polish nation

And as such they have to do so in accordance with the law. If they break the law, they pay the penalty for that.
Harry
4 Jul 2016 #8
Except he wasn't.

As was reflected by the opinion polls which universally showed him as being within a few months of being the first ever president to lose in the first round of elections.

If they break the law, they pay the penalty for that.

Sadly at the moment they don't. Even when they confess their crimes, they just get pardoned, for example the head of the anti-corruption agency is a convicted and self-confessed criminal. Of course the problem that that Duda has is that the statute of limitations for his crimes expire well after his term in office ends.
Crow 137 | 7,756
4 Jul 2016 #9
Sure, those who believe in European map without Poland on it, don`t like Duda.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2016 #10
If they break the law

For all the scams and hanky-panky that went on under his regime Tusk got rewarded by getting kicked upstaris to become President of Europe. So far at least he has evaded justice just like Stefan Michnik.
Crow 137 | 7,756
4 Jul 2016 #11
Tusk is controversial figure. i would remind you that Tusk was brave enough to say that all what Poland doing against Serbia, doing it on the pressure from western Europe. On the other side, Tusk supported secession of Kosovo from Serbia. Tusk is politician of equilibrium, aware that we was chosen to survive presidential plane crash. But, what is his final role is just about to be seen.... to try to put Poland down or to take part in resurrection of Poland`s power...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Jul 2016 #12
opinion polls

Just shows to go how wrong the polls were to predict that TW Litwin (Komorowski) would win. At least by then the PO knew it would lose the GE so they tried to pull a fast one by rushing to illegally appoint TK judges. Their idea of fairness was 14 PO appointees and 1 from the opposition. And they are totally to blame for igniting yet another phase of the costly, wasteful and debilitating Polish-Polish war.
jon357 63 | 14,255
4 Jul 2016 #13
But, what is his final role is just about to be seen

Very hard to say, Crowie. He won't have an active part in Duda's impeachment, that's for sure. Partly because of his role in the EU (he needs to keep a certain distance) and partly because he would not want to stoop to PiS' level, even though they've tried to administratively attack him.
Harry
5 Jul 2016 #14
And they are totally to blame for igniting yet another phase of the costly, wasteful and debilitating Polish-Polish war.

They did indeed put the bait out. But not even the most Machiavellian of plotters could ever have dreams that PIS would be so stupid about such an obvious plot. All Duda had to do would be to swear in the three legally appointed judges and refused to swear in the two who had not been appointed legally. but instead he is illegally refusing to follow a direct order from the court which is legally empowered to order him, and all of the Poles, to do things. Even his fellow professors from his university have now turned on him and pointed out that his actions are completely illegal. His career in law is finished, he'll be lucky not to be expelled from the Bar Association. Although frankly, given that his term in office expires well before the statute of limitations for his crimes, I think he may have other things to worry about. And that's before we even start to talk about those flights that he took personal purposes and billed to the Polish taxpayer.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2016 #15
not to be expelled

That is all chicken feed and small beer compared to the scams, scandals, unkept promises and financial hanky-panky committed under the Tusk regime.
jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2016 #16
All Duda had to do would be to swear in the three legally appointed judges and refused to swear in the two who had not been appointed legally.

This will be his downfall.
Harry
5 Jul 2016 #17
his downfall

I don't think this will be his downfall, I think that he can rely on enough support from the Party to not be impeached, provided he keeps on being a good boy and doing what the man who so publicly that last weekend described himself as the president's boss tells him to do. However, once the current regime is finally voted out and Duda is no longer president things may very well change for him, and hopefully for his boss too.
jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2016 #18
I think yes, the effect will be delayed. Worth remembering that PiS have a habit of turning on their own and using things from the past against them. When he's fulfilled his usefulness and JK stabs him in the back, then we'll see this again.

And a recent analysis, much publicised in Poland today, stresses how JK trusts absolutely nobody at the moment.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2016 #19
JK stabs him in the back

You and your BB (hopefully you've figured it out by now ) cronies really go in for wishful thinking, don't you. Well, have your fun and settle back for an 8 or probably even 12-year wave of good changes serving the nation, not the post-commie clique. You just don't seem to get it. That is all passé, démodé, on the dust heap of history and will never return. Except for the resentful losers with whom you apparently hobnob (and losers don't count!), the nation is now enjoying a new-found sense of personal sovereignty, the rule of a governemnt that is on their side and changing the coutnry for the better, not one in the pay of foreign corporations
jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2016 #20
8 or probably even 12-year wave

We'll get that when PiS are voted out. I suspect the impeachment will be underway well before then. Before that, we have the depressing spectacle of PiS digging themselves further and further into the mire. As last time.
Crow 137 | 7,756
5 Jul 2016 #21
Moment Duda announced Intermarium (ie new Commonwealth), Duda got enemies in some circles of power. Now, for sure that Duda didn`t announced Intermarium on its own. Somebody gave signal to him, green light at least. i mean, that`s how things work. But who could gave him green light. Let me tell you. i guess it was equilibrium of interest of few powers: USA, China, Vatican and Russia. They all support Duda. They know that is Intermarium needed for peace in Europe. EU as it is, is just Germano-Anglo-Franco tool for assimilating others. This about migrants, wars all-around is just petting, a game, smoke. We all witnessing historical transformation of Europe and world. Of course, game is global, worldwide. Crisis travel from point to point. Every country have its role, same as some politicians.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2016 #22
impeachment

It's like all the other failed PO ploys, recalling this or that minister or other doomed daredevil schemes. They do it just to stay in the news and that's about all they can do. Thankfully, the pro-Polish good-change party has become the first party since 1989 to win a parliamentary majority, and that puts paid to all of PO's desperate and vindictive but totally fruitless pseudo-initiatives.
jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2016 #23
pro-Polish

Very anti-Polish in fact. And the law is the law. Kaczynski may think his gang are above the law, however they aren't.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2016 #24
the law is the law

That's what Hitler said about the Nuremburg laws and Stalin about his anti-kulak and anti-"enemy of the people" legislation.
jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2016 #25
Nuremburg laws

And you equate the Polish Constitution to the 'Nuremburg laws'. Interesting...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2016 #26
failed PO ploys

Yes, another of PO's desperate attempts to stay in the news has bitten the dust.
The Sejm has voted 267-166 to reject the PO motion to recall Macierewicz.
The Polish nation knew what they were doing when they gave PiS an outright
victory last October. All the embittered losers can do is rant, spew venom and
snitch.

And you equate

I equate it only to your contention that "the law is the law".

And you equate

jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2016 #27
No Po, you equate the Polish Constitution to the 'Nuermburg laws'. Shame on you.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2016 #28
the Polish Constitution

The post-commie Polish Constitution, the brainchild of TW Alek (Kwaśniewski), is due to be revised or possibly even replaced. One more in line with the ideals. needs and aspirations of the nation is needed.
jon357 63 | 14,255
5 Jul 2016 #29
Polish Constitution

The Polish Constitution which the PiS tendency dislike but everyone else is happy with.

They don't have a mandate to change the constitution anyway.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Jul 2016 #30
everyone else is happy

Not everybody else. Most people don't know or care. Only the post-PRL clique that benefited the most from transformation are all for it.
Unless the opposition parties impose voting discipline and do not let their MPs vote according to their conscience, some PSL, PO and Nowocezsny PMs may support PiS/Kukuiz to approve the new constitution.


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