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Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team


David_18 68 | 982
23 Aug 2010 #1
Out of the 115 new EU ambassadors that are to represent the 27-nation bloc across the world, only two people have been chosen from the new wave of the EU's members; none are from Poland.

Over 90 percent of posts in the corps are to be filled by EU citizens from the 'old' 15 member states.

thenews.pl/international/artykul138153_anger-after-poland-left-out-of-eu-ambassador-team.html

Seriously this pisses me off... Atleast Poland should have it's fair share since it is the sixth most populous member of the European Union...

They begged Poland to sign The Lisbon Treaty and now Poland gets a slap in the face?

And how can they make Catherine Ashton EU foreign minister???? that is known to be involved and active in Soviet funded organizations during the 1980's

timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6932391.ece

This truly shows the ugly power game that the old EU members perform...
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,811
23 Aug 2010 #2
Hmm...point may be that Poland is not known for taking up diplomatic responsibilities across the EU or elsewhere.
There is non-EU Ukraine where Poland is seemingly more involved but else?.

But would you really choose a Pole as EU-ambassador in Russia for example? Where is the experience? Where is Poland involved as negotiator or otherwise?

You can't demand such posts just because you are Pole!

But still...it seems abit unfair...I will look for more info....
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
23 Aug 2010 #3
From the link:

Most of the ambassadorial placements were taken by French, Italian, Belgian and German diplomats.

Guess what, those are representatives of the oldest members of the EU. NL is not included either as is Luxemburg. The French always want to be the leader of the EU anway. But then again, this article does not offer a complete overview of who's going to do what.

Over 90 percent of posts in the corps are to be filled by EU citizens from the ‘old’ 15 member states.

Which is a correct state of affairs. Besides, to me there are not 15 old members, but 6. The rest is all new if you're either from BE, DE, FR, IT, LUX or NL. Poland is a relatively new member and just has to wait its turn, just like with everything else. The other member states had to do that too, so what makes Poland so special that they can skip the queue?

And besides, maybe PL just didn't have any suitable candidates? Every thought about that?

Seriously this pisses me off...

Well, one can make an issue out of everything.

Atleast Poland should have it's fair share since it is the sixth most populous member of the European Union...

But it's also one of the newest member, still a NET receiver and you surely cannot expect that the countries who pay a lot are willing to have an equal position as countries who are receivers?

They begged Poland to sign The Lisbon Treaty and now Poland gets a slap in the face?

They didn't. Your portrayal of the EU as a bunch of poor sobs, solely depending on Poland's good will is an entire incorrect one. True, Kaczynski said he would wait what the Irish would say about Lisbon, but he signed immediately after that. The only one who showed some guts is the President of the Czech Republik who had it sent to the High Court of Czechia.

And how can they make Catherine Ashton EU foreign minister???? that is known to be involved and active in Soviet funded organizations during the 1980's

From your link:

Kate Hudson, chairwoman of CND, said: “Supporters of nuclear weapons have made such allegations over the years, yet not once have they produced a shred of evidence to support them. In the 1980s Bruce Kent offered £100 to anyone who could prove CND had received money from Moscow — the cheque remains unclaimed.”

The line I marked in bold is a brilliant piece of manipulating on your part. It has never been proven that she in any form accepted money nor goods from the Soviets. So this might as well be filed in the drawer under F - Former East Bloc States' Paranoya.

This truly shows the ugly power game that the old EU members perform...

Power game? These countries simply pay the most (well at least BE, NL, DE and SW do), so they have the most rights to be there when the goodies are being given away.

But would you really choose a Pole as EU-ambassador in Russia for example?

Nope, never and ever. You get too much trouble indoors when you do that. First relations between them have to normalize and neutralize. Then we can start thinking of putting a Polish EU ambassador in Moskou.

it seems abit unfair

Unfair? Care to enlighten on that one?

>^..^<

M-G (don't you just love when Americans try to pinpoint any "wrongdoings" within the EU, while at the same time they don't even have a clue of what's going on in their own country)
OP David_18 68 | 982
23 Aug 2010 #4
Poland is a relatively new member and just has to wait its turn

Just cuz Poland is a new member it dosen't have to mean that they have to disciminate Poland and not acknowledge Polands role in the EU? The only thing they should wait for is their turn in the presidency of EU that they will have in Jul 2011, that's fair in my opinion.

Well, one can make an issue out of everything.

Yes indeed and that i do!!!

But it's also one of the newest member, still a NET receiver and you surely cannot expect that the countries who pay a lot are willing to have an equal position as countries who are receivers?

Ain't that what the Lisbon treaty stands for? equality?

So just cuz Poland is poor it should be treated like ****?

They didn't. Your portrayal of the EU as a bunch of poor sobs, solely depending on Poland's good will is an entire incorrect one.

I didn't intend to portray EU "as a bunch of poor sobs".

From your link:

Lazy me buhuhuhu!!!

The line I marked in bold is a brilliant piece of manipulating on your part. It has never been proven that she in any form accepted money nor goods from the Soviets. So this might as well be filed in the drawer under F - Former East Bloc States' Paranoya.

Well rumours is often true. Maybe JUSt maybe she did not recive any bribes. But MAYBE she did... We will never know the complete truth untill it's revealed.

Power game? These countries simply pay the most (well at least BE, NL, DE and SW do), so they have the most rights to be there when the goodies are being given away.

Common... How does that sound?

M-G (don't you just love when Americans try to pinpoint any "wrongdoings" within the EU, while at the same time they don't even have a clue of what's going on in their own country)

Im still not from America...

the newly created EU diplomatic corps numbers some 1,700 personnel, although only 36 Poles have been hired as EU civil servants in the corps.

So that's a fair share right??? Out of 1700 jobs the poles get 36, gosh the one who decided that must have been drunk...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,730
23 Aug 2010 #5
Well rumours is often true. Maybe JUSt maybe she did not recive any bribes. But MAYBE she did... We will never know the complete truth untill it's revealed.

Sounds like Kaczynski logic to me.

So that's a fair share right??? Out of 1700 jobs the poles get 36, gosh the one who decided that must have been drunk...

Don't you get it? There might simply have been a lack of qualified graduates to do so. It's well known that to function in the EU, you need French, English and German language skills as a minimum. I don't know anyone in Poland who knows all three fluently - especially as French is rather unfashionable at the minute.
OP David_18 68 | 982
23 Aug 2010 #6
Sounds like Kaczynski logic to me.

HAHA common am i really that bad? I just don't believe it's a fair deal that Poland got from this.

Don't you get it? There might simply have been a lack of qualified graduates to do so. It's well known that to function in the EU, you need French, English and German language skills as a minimum. I don't know anyone in Poland who knows all three fluently - especially as French is rather unfashionable at the minute.

Poles are one of the most educated people in Europe if not the world. I know plenty of poles incl members of my own family that speaks all those languages.

Nope i don't buy that sorry!!!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,730
23 Aug 2010 #7
HAHA common am i really that bad? I just don't believe it's a fair deal that Poland got from this.

Poland will get her turn - but frankly speaking, she isn't ready yet to start influencing the EU. In time, yes - but right now? No. Come on, your own civil service is badly lacking in many ways - you're just not ready to deal with the EU. And let's be realistic - you don't really have the talent in the public sector at all.

Poles are one of the most educated people in Europe if not the world. I know plenty of poles incl members of my own family that speaks all those languages.

Educated in terms of pieces of paper, yes. But as everyone knows - there's no honesty in education in Poland.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
23 Aug 2010 #8
Well rumours is often true. Maybe JUSt maybe she did not recive any bribes. But MAYBE she did... We will never know the complete truth untill it's revealed.

Then you shouldn't say that it's "commonly known that she did take funds from the Soviets". You should've said "a woman who especially in the Eastern European States of the EU is rumoured to have received funds from the Soviet Union". That would've been more correct a statement.

Common... How does that sound?

So you won't mind if you pay 100 Euros to get into a club and get the same treatment as sb who gets in for free? I think it's more than fair that the countries who pay the most get the biggest share. It's also normal.

And as I said before, maybe PL just didn't have any qualified material. It can happen, you know.

I know plenty of poles incl members of my own family that speaks all those languages.

Unfortunately a job like that takes a bit more than just knowledge of languages.

>^..^<

M-G (busy)
OP David_18 68 | 982
23 Aug 2010 #9
Poland will get her turn - but frankly speaking, she isn't ready yet to start influencing the EU. In time, yes - but right now? No. Come on, your own civil service is badly lacking in many ways - you're just not ready to deal with the EU. And let's be realistic - you don't really have the talent in the public sector at all.

If the EU got the same attitude like you, then i guess Poland is doomed!!!

you don't really have the talent in the public sector at all.

We got TUSK!!!!!
The winner of the prestigious Charlemagne Prize 2010!!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne_Prize

Educated in terms of pieces of paper, yes. But as everyone knows - there's no honesty in education in Poland.

That's a new one, please enlight me :)

Then you shouldn't say that it's "commonly known that she did take funds from the Soviets". You should've said "a woman who especially in the Eastern European States of the EU is rumoured to have received funds from the Soviet Union". That would've been more correct a statement.

Ok my bad ;)

So you won't mind if you pay 100 Euros to get into a club and get the same treatment as sb who gets in for free? I think it's more than fair that the countries who pay the most get the biggest share. It's also normal.

It's not about the one that pays the most gets the largest piece of the cake. It's about that Europe is a union between countries and it should all be shared equal population wise.

Weren't that the purpose with the Lisbon treaty?

And as I said before, maybe PL just didn't have any qualified material. It can happen, you know.

I don't think poles are so dumb, that they only got 36 qualified personnel to fill the 1.700 spots.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
23 Aug 2010 #10
It's not about the one that pays the most gets the largest piece of the cake. It's about that Europe is a union between countries and it should all be shared equal population wise.

So, if you have a country with a vast population, but is poor as a church-rat, therefore doesn't pay one cent and receives huge quantities of money, and you have a country with a much smaller population, but rich and paying a tremendous big part of that cake, that smaller country should just shut the hell up and just pay, while the bigger country should decide what's going to happen?

The Lisbon Treaty was indeed partly about that. Now perhaps you understand why NL was so against it? Or at least, it was against the previous form, to which it voted "no"?

I don't think poles are so dumb, that they only got 36 qualified personnel to fill the 1.700 spots.

I didn't say the Poles were dumb. And it has nothing to do with that whatsoever, however, it can happen that they just couldn't find the right candidates. We don't even know how many candidates the Polish govt put forward.

>^..^<

M-G (busy)
Crow 137 | 7,721
23 Aug 2010 #11
nger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team

now, that`s just another joke on the account of Poles
OP David_18 68 | 982
23 Aug 2010 #12
So, if you have a country with a vast population, but is poor as a church-rat, therefore doesn't pay one cent and receives huge quantities of money, and you have a country with a much smaller population, but rich and paying a tremendous big part of that cake, that smaller country should just shut the hell up and just pay, while the bigger country should decide what's going to happen?

I get your point i truly do... But the only way for the union to work is to acknowledge every country and give it a fair share population wise. We can't have a "Rich and the poor" democracy in the EU, that only works in Oligarchys like Russia.

I didn't say the Poles were dumb. And it has nothing to do with that whatsoever, however, it can happen that they just couldn't find the right candidates. We don't even know how many candidates the Polish govt put forward.

I just can't believe that they only had 36 people who qualified... BULLshiet in my opinion

Fishy as hell!!!

now, that`s just another joke on the account of Poles

Indeed... So Crow maybe you could send some serbs to Brussel and show them some slavic power??? :D
Crow 137 | 7,721
23 Aug 2010 #13
So Crow maybe you could send some serbs to Brussel and show them some slavic power???

i would take EU seriously only if EU establish Polish language as primary official language within the EU.

otherwise, Serbs would be forced to urge on all Slavs that we unite around Poland and save our identity
Seanus 15 | 19,706
23 Aug 2010 #14
The EU is marching off down the road to spiritual bankruptcy. Any more of that nonsense and they will implode. Tusk and Kommie need to learn that William Wallace (Mel Gibson) and his men were not showing their butts so that others could have their way with them ;) ;) They got the wrong end of the stick on that one :)
Ironside 48 | 9,843
23 Aug 2010 #15
And besides, maybe PL just didn't have any suitable candidates? Every thought about that?

Well, you can justify anything:)but where it says that EU is about turns? I think is pretty ominous and is not bid well for EU future!

I-S (*******!)
Crow 137 | 7,721
23 Aug 2010 #16
eventual Great Polish Commonwealth from Baltic to Balkan would have much brighter future then EU

with, Polish language as official. That would be a freedom. Imagine that economic potential, those resources, power,... independence
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
23 Aug 2010 #17
Crow, you talk to wrong crowd here...These Poles would rather have a flaming homo as a representative of Polish people than a Polish nationalist!
OP David_18 68 | 982
24 Aug 2010 #18
with, Polish language as official. That would be a freedom

Would the Serbs agree on that?

eventual Great Polish Commonwealth from Baltic to Balkan would have much brighter future then EU

Maybe something like this? The new Slavic era is comming!!!!

Poland Realm

Jagiellon realm on 15th century. Kingdoms of Poland, Hungary, Bohemia and Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
Crow 137 | 7,721
24 Aug 2010 #19
Would the Serbs agree on that?

Serbs? They would be warrior elite of Great Poland.

Maybe something like this? The new Slavic era is comming!!!!

Jagiellon realm on 15th century. Kingdoms of Poland, Hungary, Bohemia and Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

Serbs defended Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, with passion. It was our obligation to Polish warlords since the era of Great Morvia. Our ancestors believed that only Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth guaranties that all Serbs (from Balkan to Baltic/Lusatia) might live in one state. Then also, Serbs relied on Polish help against Turks.
OP David_18 68 | 982
24 Aug 2010 #20
Serbs defended Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, with passion. It was our obligation to Polish warlords since the era of Great Morvia.

Just like you fought by our side in the battle of Varna my brethren!!
Crow 137 | 7,721
24 Aug 2010 #21
after all Hunyady (Sibinjanin Janko) was Serbian and he wasn`t only Serbian under Władysław`s command.

You must understand serious Serbian situation. Half of our lands were under Austro-Hungarian and half under Turkish rule. Our people and elite completely served to Christian cause, to our own liberation. But officially, some Serbian lands were forced to accept vassal status to Turks. So, while Serbs resisted to Turks and were regularly first line against them, in the same time, if some Serbian nobleman refused to obey to send his squadrons to serve in Turkish army, Turkish punishment was fast and cruel. It was agony. Serbian lands were border region for both- for Austo-Hungaria and for Ottoman Empire. This situation almost exterminated Serbs.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
24 Aug 2010 #22
eventual Great Polish Commonwealth from Baltic to Balkan would have much brighter future then EU

Yes - what would you have? A bunch of countries too poor to scratch their own arses and then they come begging at the EU for money as they won't make it othewise. I think all of those countries are happy where they are right now.

I know it's a free Internet world, but could we pls have to read less of this everlasting glorious nonsense? Would make reading a lot more pleasant. Thank you.

after all Hunyady (Sibinjanin Janko) was Serbian and he wasn`t only Serbian under Władysław`s command

Yeah, let's talk some more of events that happened a couple of hundred years ago, and let's pretend they're relevant for the current situation.

Half of our lands were under Austro-Hungarian and half under Turkish rule

I think the Croats, Macedonians and Slovenes would beg to differ with you on this one.

>^..^<

M-G (too busy to worry)
Crow 137 | 7,721
24 Aug 2010 #23
MareGaea

will you stop to urinate on people of this forum?
OP David_18 68 | 982
24 Aug 2010 #24
This situation almost exterminated Serbs.

Yes indeed, we are talking about the blood tax right? Данак у крви? :D

I think all of those countries are happy where they are right now.

Wohoooo here we go again!!!

We know Most of the Slavic countries are poor, we had some bad luck the past 60 years ok?
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
24 Aug 2010 #25
will you stop to urinate on people of this forum?

If you stop talking nonsense, I will become milder towards you. Go find yourself a Serbian forum.

We know Most of the Slavic countries are poor, we had some bad luck the past 60 years ok?

So what'd you think how big are the odds that given the current situation a Slavic Union of all these poor, unlucky countries will be successful?

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
OP David_18 68 | 982
24 Aug 2010 #26
So what'd you think how big are the odds that given the current situation a Slavic Union of all these poor, unlucky countries will be successful?

Nah no chance that we will see anything like a Slavic union the next 30-50 years. But who knows how the next century will look like :D!!!

NEVER SAY NEVER!!!!!!
Crow 137 | 7,721
24 Aug 2010 #27
es indeed, we are talking about the blood tax right? Данак у крви? :D

yes. Among other satanic Turkish inventions

I will become milder towards you. Go find yourself a Serbian forum.

why? to let that people like you brainwash children of Poland?

eat cake
ender 5 | 398
24 Aug 2010 #28
Poland as a 8th biggest payer to UE budget supposed to have some representation in diplomatic corp.

For some who thinks Poland spends more UE money then other UE countries can have a look at 2007 money spending chart.

UE spendings
TheOther 5 | 3,831
24 Aug 2010 #29
But the only way for the union to work is to acknowledge every country and give it a fair share population wise

Okay then, since Germany has by far the biggest population in the EU...
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
24 Aug 2010 #30
Here's a chart of which country pays the most and who receives the most:

As a country Germany pays the most, followed by the UK and, remarkably, the Netherlands in 3rd place, a country with only a quarter of the British or German population. On the other hand, Greece receives the most, followed by Poland and, also remarkably, Spain.

So per capita the Benelux is the greatest contributor, per country DE, UK and NL are the biggest contributors while HL, PL and ES are the biggest receivers.

>^..^<

M-G (off to bed)


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