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"Plebs Out!" Roman Kuźniar, presidential advisor on educational matters talks about uni


Varsovian 92 | 634
22 Oct 2012 #1
Prof. Roman Kuźniar z Instytutu Stosunków Międzynarodowych Uniwersytetu Warszawskiego powiedział: "nawet na dobrych uczelniach widzimy ludzi, którzy zdecydowanie nie powinni oglądać uniwersytetu, nawet na wyciecze szkolnej, bo nie spełniają kulturowych i intelektualnych warunków, żeby otrzymać tytuł magistra".

In sum, he said some people shouldn't even think about higher education because they are plebs.

Strangely, back in the mid to late 1980s as a truly hardline Commie lecturer at Warsaw University he happily lowered himself to student level - leaving his wife at home while having a pretty Romanistyka studentka on his arm at student parties. Did he get divorced in the end, does anyone know?
jon357 63 | 15,061
22 Oct 2012 #2
I don't see what the point is of the gossipy stuff in this thread. Surely his relationships are his own business
OP Varsovian 92 | 634
22 Oct 2012 #3
Well, he was talking about cultural values at university.

Anyway, what is a rabid, frothing at the mouth anti-American doing alongside a major Polish politician?

I don't know the guy personally - I just know his stance in former years.

Perhaps someone else can supply details on how he is now as pro-West as he used to viscerally hate the decadent, bourgeois West and everything it stood for?
Harry
22 Oct 2012 #4
Prof. Roman Kuźniar z Instytutu Stosunków Międzynarodowych Uniwersytetu Warszawskiego powiedział: "nawet na dobrych uczelniach widzimy ludzi, którzy zdecydowanie nie powinni oglądać uniwersytetu, nawet na wyciecze szkolnej, bo nie spełniają kulturowych i intelektualnych warunków, żeby otrzymać tytuł magistra".

Sounds like he is right on the money.

In sum, he said some people shouldn't even think about higher education because they are plebs.

No he didn't. Kindly do not lie when providing translations.

I don't see what the point is of the gossipy stuff in this thread. Surely his relationships are his own business

PiS settling old scores again?
David_18 68 | 982
22 Oct 2012 #5
In sum, he said some people shouldn't even think about higher education because they are plebs.

Wrong!

Even a journalist would loose his job if he would sum it up the way you did ;)
OP Varsovian 92 | 634
22 Oct 2012 #6
David 18

Some people shouldn't even go to university on school trips because they don't qualify culturally or intellectually.

Wow!

Try saying that to anybody in education. As a teacher I would blanch at anyone saying that in a pub! Actually, coming to think about it, nobody would ever say that in a pub because he'd get his face smashed in.
Harry
22 Oct 2012 #7
Some people shouldn't even go to university on school trips because they don't qualify culturally or intellectually.

And again you lie about what the man actually said, this time but cutting off part of what he said so that you can make it look as if he said something which he did not.
OP Varsovian 92 | 634
22 Oct 2012 #8
Sorry - I come from a bit of a pleb background and I take offence at people who got where they are today by toadying up outrageously to the Soviet lackeys of yore. You, obviously, don't approve of the lower classes - perhaps you don't say that openly in public places, but reserve your class-hatred venom for the anonymity of the internet.
Harry
22 Oct 2012 #9
I come from a bit of a pleb background

So you're middle class. And too ignorant to know who the plebs were.

You, obviously, don't approve of the lower classes - perhaps you don't say that openly in public places, but reserve your class-hatred venom for the anonymity of the internet.

How nice of you to start lying about me now that I have shown you won't get away with lying about what Kuzniar had to say.
OP Varsovian 92 | 634
22 Oct 2012 #10
"widzimy ludzi, którzy zdecydowanie nie powinni oglądać uniwersytetu, nawet na wyciecze szkolnej, bo nie spełniają kulturowych i intelektualnych warunków, żeby otrzymać tytuł magistra"
jon357 63 | 15,061
22 Oct 2012 #11
Sounds fair enough to me - university isn't for everyone and never has been. Otherwise apprenticeships and technical colleges wouldn't have a role.

Strange that you're getting on a high horse about educational snobbery. I well remember on another forum it transpired that we come from quite near each other (you said you'd had a drink at The Three Houses at Christmas and so had I) then you promptly rattled out a list of all the fee-paying schools within 20 miles and asked which one I'd been to!

And I still don't see what the guy's private life 30 years ago has to do with anything. Sour grapes maybe...

Your understanding of the Polish text is, by the way, deeply flawed. Nothing at all about 'plebs'.
OP Varsovian 92 | 634
22 Oct 2012 #12
With 4 working class grandparents I went to private school and university. I guess you think I somehow didn't deserve to get there because I didn't fulfil cultural requirements? Now it makes sense to me why I was labelled a leftie at school.
jon357 63 | 15,061
22 Oct 2012 #13
Hard to say what your grandparents have to do with anything, but evidently your time at private school and university wasn't very well spent since you have managed to misinterpret both the passage you originally quoted and my last post!

Either deliberately, basically ignorance, or not deliberately, basically stupidity. Which is true?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
22 Oct 2012 #14
Prof. Roman Kuźniar

It's truly hilarious when a peasant accuse others of being plebs. One quote from "professor"...

Nic dziwnego, że one próbują ratować strefę euro. Nam się to może nie do końca podobać, gdyż nie ma dla nas miejsca przy stole. Ale sami jesteśmy sobie winni. Przecież Donald Tusk zapowiadał w 2008 r., że od 2012 r. będziemy w strefie euro - ale później się z tego wycofaliśmy.

...is enough to present pitiful intelectual abilities of this funny man.


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