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PO-PiS again neck and neck


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 May 2013 #61
I often get the impression that the only good politcians are those campaigning to get elecetd or re-elected. Once in power, they all mroe or less... !"#¤%&/(łX?*X?=#%**=$@°=?"!¤% (those are American comic-book symbols for obscenities).
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
29 May 2013 #62
It's pretty much campaigning for them to have a well paid, cushtie job where they can feel important and have the power to change the way people have to live.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 May 2013 #63
Politics is pretty horrible and most politcians are power-hungry schemers and ego-trippers....but so far nothing better has been invented to run countries, regions, cities and villages. Do away with it and you've got anacrhy.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
29 May 2013 #64
Yes there must be some type of leadership of the pieces of trash [excuse my language but some people do behave like nothing but human trash] would have a field day. PO is your perfect example of a bunch of career men who want to have power [oh and money of course]. PiS seems to have some people in it that do seem to actually care about this country, but can't seem to get that through to the majority of the country.

When someone says 'you are a politician' to somebody, they mean 'you say one thing in public to get votes, then do another when in power.' Lots of people are branded with this phrase. The current UEFA president is being accused of being a politician. When people in a company have meetings behind closed doors in order to get the company to go in a way that suits them best, what do people say? They are playing politics. The way many politicians behave has now turned politician or politics in to a dirty word.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 May 2013 #65
The latest survey conducted by Homo Homini has shown PiS leading 32% to PO's 27%, almost identical to results acheived in an internal PiS survey.
Rzepa wrote that while PO was squabbling within their own ranks, PiS was touring the country promising the liquidation of junior secondary schools, cutting back unemployment, restoring 22% VAT and reverting to the previous retirement age.
jkb - | 198
30 May 2013 #66
Life has shown that any and all political surveys are worthless.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
30 May 2013 #67
A civilised national movement like that advocated by Dmowksi maybe, but the young tatoo-thug style street brawlers of the ONR and MWP

I think you are not all that well informed. ORN is a creation of secret service and MW has been spawned by Grietych who since then has been proved worthless. I wouldn't nevertheless equate those two with tattoo-thugs.

I have been talking about national movement, there some chances it will develop in time.
jon357 71 | 20,367
30 May 2013 #68
Life has shown that any and all political surveys are worthless.

And this one especially so.
Harry
30 May 2013 #69
" PiS was touring the country promising"
PiS can promise whatever it wants: people know better than to believe DuckBoy and PiS have no chance to form the next government.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
30 May 2013 #70
Rzepa wrote that while PO was squabbling within their own ranks, PiS was touring the country promising the liquidation of junior secondary schools, cutting back unemployment, restoring 22% VAT and reverting to the previous retirement age.

Only they forgot to mention who will pay for this. Of course they also will have to fund Mr. Maybach. In Podkarpackie they believe anything.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 May 2013 #71
PO lose yet another poll to PiS. This is no longer a chance occurrence but a clear trend. Hopefully it will eventually sweep the pie-in-the-sky shysters of the Tusk gang out of office for many years to come. The only worrying thing is that 14% misguided respondents have been duped into supporting the Miller gang. Miller and Kwaśniewski were both in the upper echelons of the now defunct communist dictatorship.
Harry
31 May 2013 #72
Miller and Kwaśniewski were both in the upper echelons of the now defunct communist dictatorship.

Did you work with them on a daily basis?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
31 May 2013 #73
PO lose yet another poll to PiS. This is no longer a chance occurrence but a clear trend. Hopefully it will eventually sweep the pie-in-the-sky shysters of the Tusk gang out of office for many years to come. The only worrying thing is that 14% misguided respondents have been duped into supporting the Miller gang. Miller and Kwaśniewski were both in the upper echelons of the now defunct communist dictatorship.

See, Polonius, you really are a master of spin. Those of us with a clue about Polish politics know that PiS gained 29.9% in the last election, which means that despite everything, they haven't actually gained any ground at all.

Now, let's look at this from a purely analytical viewpoint :

30% - PiS
27% - PO
14% - SLD
6% - RP
4% - PSL
3% - SP
16% - don't know

We know that any combination of PO/SLD/RP/PSL can form a government, although with varying degrees of support. Some combinations may be a full coalition agreement, other combinations may be on a confidence and supply basis. Either way, that bloc can count on 51% of the vote - because not one of those parties will support a PiS government. Such a bloc might be non-partisan, it might be PO led, whatever - it doesn't change the reality that all of those parties are keen to keep PiS out of power.

It also doesn't reflect one major flaw of telephone polling - that they are statistically skewed towards older people too. Many young people (who will vote PO/SLD/RP) do not have landlines at home - yet they do vote. This is what was observed last time, and it will happen again - and these people do not vote PiS.

Perhaps Polonius can outline how PiS would return to power with such polling results?
jkb - | 198
1 Jun 2013 #74
PiS will only return to power if they get 231 seats in Sejm and 51 in Senat. Unless something terrible happens and the majority of voting population goes full retard, I don't see that happening.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
1 Jun 2013 #75
It would be nearly impossible under the Polish system to get such a double majority.

It amazes me that despite it being clearly obvious that PiS cannot break the 30% barrier regardless of what they do, the rank and file members still continue to support Kaczynski's leadership. End result? The other parties will always find a way to agree to keep PiS out of power.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
1 Jun 2013 #76
PiS can promise whatever it wants: people know better than to believe DuckBoy and PiS have no chance to form the next government.

You hatred for PiS is so great isn't it? Funny that those people who are so confident PiS can not get in to power, feel the need to keep reiterating it over and over again, almost if they are trying to convince themselves. The more they say it, the chance there is of it happening.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
1 Jun 2013 #77
We feel the need because of people like Polonius posting constant rubbish about the "rise of the 4th Republic" and so on.

Unless of course, you wish to explain to us how PiS will win an election with 30% of the vote. I mean, I'm waiting for a reasoned, well thought out proposal on how Jaroslaw Kaczynski can become the Prime Minister and win the vote of confidence in the Sejm. It seems that you're in a small minority that actually believes that Jaro can win - even most posters on PF have long accepted that PiS can't form a government with him as the leader.

It seems to me that PiS have deluded themselves into believing that they can attain a majority.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
1 Jun 2013 #78
Well if you think PiS and Polonius are deluded, then let them post whatever theories they have, and either not reply, or reply with a simple 'whatever you say Polonius. Let's wait and see.' You'll have every confidence that PiS is unable to win anyway, so why get so hot and bothered if somebody believes they can?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
1 Jun 2013 #79
Why? Why should predictions of PiS winning get to dominate PF?

I notice you're also silent on the matter. Expecting another loss, are we?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 Jun 2013 #80
The latest Millard Brown poll shows 30% for PiS, 26% for PO, SLD - 13%, Palikot - 10%, PSL - 5% and the New Right (Nowa Prawica) - 5%.

radioszczecin.pl/index.php?idp=6&idx=100043
jkb - | 198
3 Jun 2013 #81
The latest Millard Brown poll shows 30% for PiS, 26% for PO, SLD - 13%, Palikot - 10%, PSL - 5% and the New Right (Nowa Prawica) - 5%.

Yet another poll. Yet another guessing game. Worthless.
Harry
3 Jun 2013 #82
The latest Millard Brown poll shows 30% for PiS,

So, despite the ceaseless stream of drivel from the bitter and envious about how terribly the Tusk government is doing, PiS have increased their share of the vote by just 0.1% and are still a good 15% off where they need to be in order to form the next government. All good then.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
3 Jun 2013 #83
It has to be said, that latest poll is a disaster for PiS. It shows that a PO/SLD/Palikot coalition (perhaps on a confidence/supply basis) would be returned to power, and sets the scene nicely for Tusk to retire as PM at the mid-term point, ready for a crack at a position of power in the EU.

I've said it countless times - PiS can win 30% of the vote without really trying. But they need to change their policies - fast - if they want to have any hope of forming the next government.
Harry
3 Jun 2013 #84
PiS can win 30% of the vote without really trying. But they need to change their policies - fast - if they want to have any hope of forming the next government.

The problem for PiS is that they need to keep certain of their policies in order to maintain the support of the bitter and envious voters from the 'teraz kurwa my' block, the same idiots who used to vote for the League of Polish Fascists or Andrzej the sex pest. If they drop certain stances, other parties can and will take away that support. In the same way, them being the party of Radio Maryja will pretty much rule them out for a lot of voters but without the support of Father Maybach PiS will lose supporter and might even see the support of RM / ND / TV Trwam being given to a new Catholic nutter party.
milky 13 | 1,657
3 Jun 2013 #85
PiS can win 30% of the vote without really trying

Sometimes just being the opposition is enough to become a promising alternative. Look at the muppets in power in Ireland,basically the same party as FF except for historical differences.

"Half of the American people have never read a newspaper. Half never voted for President. One hopes it is the same half."
― Gore Vidal, Screening History
jkb - | 198
3 Jun 2013 #86
Sometimes just being the opposition is enough to become a promising alternative.

PiS has been in the opposition for the past... 6 years? Did they become promising to you?
Ironside 51 | 11,338
3 Jun 2013 #87
So, despite the ceaseless stream of drivel from the bitter and envious about how terribly the Tusk government is doing,

no hes dong great give him next ten years and there will not be single Polish oner in Poland just Polish slaves.
Some people here are conferenced about the state of Pound and didn't embraced you international l ideological nonsense like you.
quote=jkb]PiS has been in the opposition for the past... 6 years? Did they become promising to you?[/quote]
Better that PO's criminals.
jkb - | 198
4 Jun 2013 #88
Harry: So, despite the ceaseless stream of drivel from the bitter and envious about how terribly the Tusk government is doing,
no hes dong great give him next ten years and there will not be single Polish oner in Poland just Polish slaves.
Some people here are conferenced about the state of Pound and didn't embraced you international l ideological nonsense like you.

You speak of ideological nonsense, but that's exactly what you're giving us with your "no Polish owners" statement. That's purely ideological, it's also international, but foremost, it's nonsense.

jkb: PiS has been in the opposition for the past... 6 years? Did they become promising to you?
Better that PO's criminals.

Better? In what way? Are you suggesting madmen are better than criminals? Neither are good. And explain, how exactly can people who lost their marbles long ago, appear promising to anyone?
Ironside 51 | 11,338
4 Jun 2013 #89
You speak of ideological nonsense, but that's exactly what you're giving us with your "no Polish owners" statement. That's purely ideological

No that purely factual. Few owners are just few owners and not a trend, the trend is wage-slaves.

Better? In what way? Are you suggesting madmen are better than criminals?

I'm suggesting that such a change would cut off many deals which are hurtful for the Polish interests.
jkb - | 198
5 Jun 2013 #90
jkb: You speak of ideological nonsense, but that's exactly what you're giving us with your "no Polish owners" statement. That's purely ideological
No that purely factual. Few owners are just few owners and not a trend, the trend is wage-slaves.

If it's factual, do you have anything to support your statement? Or are you just making them up as you go? Are you a fortune teller? Something you say about the future can't possibly be claimed as a fact by a sane person. It's a prognosis.

jkb: Better? In what way? Are you suggesting madmen are better than criminals?
I'm suggesting that such a change would cut off many deals which are hurtful for the Polish interests.

Right. In exchange for other ordeals that might be harmful to Polish interests and Polish people's sanity. Thanks but no thanks.

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