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Official language of EU (is not Polish)


convex 20 | 3,978
5 Apr 2010 #31
I gave programming languages as one example, but there are many more instances, like electronic industry, that have already adopted english as an official language. And in most cases, it has nothing to do with UK.

You gave C++ as an example with real deep English like "bool" and "int"...and "false". And that can be fixed with the compiler...

I gave programming languages as one example, but there are many more instances, like electronic industry, that have already adopted english as an official language.

I think the lawn mowing industry has picked up Spanish as an official language.

This would make about as much sense as making Spanish an official language in the US.
f stop 25 | 2,513
5 Apr 2010 #32
Not that difficult to replace a couple of words.

Yea, you can translate couple of words, but until Microsoft, and Apple, and ATnT Bell labs.. etc. etc. start doing their business in German, why bother?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,641
5 Apr 2010 #33
Since when f stop? Exactly since the end of WWII...before that german was the language of the science and electronics etc....no reason that it couldn't be so again! Nothing is build in stone..especially not languages!

Who knows, maybe in some decades you will need to learn chinese?
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,172
5 Apr 2010 #34
What do you guys think,does it make any sense?

pride/cash

I would rather live in an poor and independent country then in an occupied Norway
OP grubas 12 | 1,390
5 Apr 2010 #35
Now why should english become the one and only lingua franca in the EU again?

Do you have problems with understanding text BB?It would be one and only,only in EU gov bodies.In Germany it would be german AND/OR english.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,641
5 Apr 2010 #36
Do you have problems with understanding text BB?

Why english at all? It's only the native language in GB and Ireland...;)

Anyhow...it's quite okay as it is...
z_darius 14 | 3,968
5 Apr 2010 #37
To mediate between the English and the Germans, let's look into the future of EU's main language. Babylon tells me that this is how "god save the Queen" would look: الله تنقذ ملكة
nomaderol 5 | 726
5 Apr 2010 #38
Even this language thing (besides other issues) shows that EU will be seperated into pieces. New approach, new logic, new mentality is needed for EU. Capitalism is based on individualism/selfishness. The more binding attempts with other tools (such as unique language, etc) will make seperation more as, again as i said, it contradicts with the logic of capitalism/individualism. If you somehow reach an agreement, it will be an agreement in that someones will be smart! and someones will be fool! EU should think/invent/whatever about socialism, an improved version of past socialism, for ex. You are trying to improve capitalism a lot by many modifications, then, why not try to improve socialism. Socialism logic is based on understanding others, therefore, it is easier to come together. A simple example. If much more money is spent, for ex, for the hospitals where cures for cancers, aids, etc are searched and people have been taken care of better and for free at hospitals, who cares if English or German or even Latvian is single official language of EU. Also present science is ill-science. True scientific researches will make many things easier and cheaper. Just an example. Hydrogen energy or solar energy are free and clean and fossil/fuel energy can be replaced by them while oil/fuel can be used only for plastic industry such as serum hoses, etc. All such things can be possible only in a socialist economy model. Then, languages will not be more than hobby. Nobody will care even if Bulgarian is chosen as official language.
convex 20 | 3,978
5 Apr 2010 #39
Yea, you can translate couple of words, but until Microsoft, and Apple, and ATnT Bell labs.. etc. etc. start doing their business in German, why bother?

In Germany, they do.

You might want to start looking at the comments (if there are any)... You'll probably see a lot more Portuguese, German, and Russian that you might imagine.

But seriously, technical documentation is a good example of why you should pay a professional translator that knows what they're doing.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,641
5 Apr 2010 #40
To mediate between the English and the Germans, let's look into the future of EU's main language. Babylon tells me that this is how "god save the Queen" would look: الله تنقذ ملكة

Now that would be a pain to learn...english and german are at least related languages! :(
OP grubas 12 | 1,390
5 Apr 2010 #41
I would rather live in an poor and independent country then in an occupied Norway

I always thought Norway was liberated in 45 or so.Am I wrong?
Arien 3 | 721
5 Apr 2010 #42
Maybe lower taxes???

What about the quality of roads and infrastructure? Health care? You can't privatize everything. Well, actually you can, but I think we've all seen the wonderful results of privatizing certain businesses, haven't we?

Just admit that we shouldn't pay people to breed, and I will agree that everyone should have a job (regardless of how unproductive).

I'm sure many women will hate me for suggesting it, but I really think that some women should seriously consider the idea of sterilization, but not for as long as we have hundreds of thousands of non-European immigrants pouring into the EU every year. It's just not right to tell people to think about their responsibilities, their future and our possible overpopulation problems, when our birthrates are dwindling towards zero already, but when our governments are still allowing other people to come in by the millions, which also happen to decide to start larger families. I mean, that's sort of like telling people they should try to get dry by taking a shower?

:)
f stop 25 | 2,513
5 Apr 2010 #43
Exactly since the end of WWII...before that german was the language of the science and electronics

that was long time ago. I wish that... unix, for example was invented in Germany. Even if now you do find Germans making big new strides, they're most probably working for American companies.

I think the lawn mowing industry has picked up Spanish as an official language.

obviously, you have a gardener! ;)
OP grubas 12 | 1,390
5 Apr 2010 #44
Why english at all? It's only the native language in GB and Ireland...;)

It is spoken around the world.
convex 20 | 3,978
5 Apr 2010 #45
What about the quality of roads and infrastructure? Health care? You can't privatize everything. Well, actually you can, but I think we've all seen the wonderful results of privatizing certain businesses, haven't we?

Sure you can. Name one public entity that has needed less money year on year to produce a good or service. Good luck.

when our birthrates are dwindling towards zero already

Population reversal would be great.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,641
5 Apr 2010 #46
It is spoken around the world.

Are we talking EU or not? ;)

I doubt the 1 Billion chinese hurt their heads with thinking they should now all learn english...
f stop 25 | 2,513
5 Apr 2010 #47
But seriously, technical documentation is a good example of why you should pay a professional translator that knows what they're doing.

That's one thing that always amazed me: in my searches for techincal documentation, app notes etc., I find more hits in Polish than in German!

Are we talking EU or not? ;)

it would be a big mistake to ignore the rest of the world.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,641
5 Apr 2010 #48
That's one thing that always amased me: in my searches for techincal documentation, app notes etc., I find more hits in Polish than in German!

Listen...you can do with english what you want but the topic was to make English the sole lingua franca of the EU and that's not going to happen, period! :)
z_darius 14 | 3,968
5 Apr 2010 #49
Now that would be a pain to learn.

Nah, all you really need to know in that language is Allahu akbar. C'mon, how hard could this be?
convex 20 | 3,978
5 Apr 2010 #50
that was long time ago. I wish that... unix, for example was invented in Germany. Even if now you do find Germans making big new strides, they're most probably working for American companies.

Hey, that's a good example. Take a look at the names of the contributors for linux packages. Lots of umlauts in that lot..
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,641
5 Apr 2010 #51
C'mon, how hard could this be?

If I don't believe in "Allah is great" quite impossible! ;)
f stop 25 | 2,513
5 Apr 2010 #52
Hey, that's a good example. Take a look at the names of the contributors for linux packages. Lots of umlauts in that lot..

see? Smart germans do it in English!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,641
5 Apr 2010 #53
it would be a big mistake to ignore the rest of the world.

Why ignoring?

German was once the lingua franca of Europe...

The world wasn't ignored then either! :)
convex 20 | 3,978
5 Apr 2010 #54
see? Smart germans do it in English!

but then look at the code

/* alles auf deutsch :) */
f stop 25 | 2,513
5 Apr 2010 #55
Listen...you can do with english what you want but the topic was to make English the sole lingua franca of the EU and that's not going to happen, period! :)

I know it's hard, but you have to face it - all these languages (German, Polish, Chech..etc) are dying already - the ones that are going to matter are english, chinese and spanish.
convex 20 | 3,978
5 Apr 2010 #56
The problem is that there is an assumption that one can quickly learn a second language enough to communicate on the same level as a native speaker.

Technical documentation is a good example. I would rather get documentation in perfect Korean and have it translated, than in "English" from someone who can't string together a single coherent sentence.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,641
5 Apr 2010 #57
the ones that are going to matter are english, chinese and spanish.

I only agree with chinese but still we are here talking about the EU, don't we?

Maybe in the near future the US will talk mainly spanish, who knows...lingua francas are changing and then nobody in Europe will ever talk about english being the #1 in Europe either...because not many Europeans are native english speakers actually!

As it is it's quite okay...;)
convex 20 | 3,978
5 Apr 2010 #58
Maybe in near future the US will talk mainly spanish, who knows...lingua francas are changing and then nobody in Europe will ever talk about english being the #1 in Europe either...

That's true actually. Voter registration forms are available in Spanish. 50 years ago, no one would have thought that the majority of pamphlets and brochures would be dual language. Product labeling, billboards, radio...
f stop 25 | 2,513
5 Apr 2010 #59
Europe either...because not many Europeans are native english speakers actually

I've said it already - over 50% of EU people are learning english. That three times more than any other language.

And, EU, yes, I get it, but then I'll say it again, ignoring the rest of the world would be very shortsighted
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,641
5 Apr 2010 #60
I've said it already - over 50% of EU people are learning english. That three times more than any other language.

And I explained already, that is a relict of WWII and the cold war...but in the EU especially after Germany's reunification things have changed...and are still changing...keep up with the politics! ;)

Spanish is on the up in the US, the main country responsible with english having such an influence, the EU, "old Europe" now more eurocentric and independent, other big rivals of markets and language are rising (like China)....watch this space! ;)


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