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Mysterious death of Magdalena Żuk on holiday in Egypt


jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #91
Flakka is a recreational drug with a very unpleasant taste and short-lived effects. Hard to spike with anything other than a tiny dose.

The hotel was all-inclusive. I wonder if she was at the bar much,
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2017 #92
recreational drug

not sure about that..but there are many druggs that can make you psychotic,in Poland we call them dopalacze.
even simple ketamine,that is used to treat depression,can trigger permanent psychotic
peterweg 37 | 2,319
29 May 2017 #93
Every year one in 500 people have a incident or are managing psychosis. Nothing unusual, rare or shocking about it,

rightdiagnosis.com/n/nonaffective_psychosis/prevalence.htm#prevalence_intro
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
29 May 2017 #94
it's kind of 'shocking' when a young woman is dead though isn't it? not very well 'managed',
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #95
More sad than anything else.

If you don't know the place, Marsa Alam is a very remote resort, barely a town at all, mostly a cluster of all-inclusive places, geared to the elderly and family groups - the very opposite of party central. Perhaps the outcome would have been very different if she'd gone to Sharm Al Sheik or Hurghada, or been with others, rather than the issue being picked up by a holiday company's 9-5 rep..

Every year one in 500 people have a incident or are managing psychosis. Nothing unusual, rare or shocking about it,

Yes. I've seen this a few times in the UK and even more here in Poland. Including at a (supposedly posh) hotel resort, where the police had to come to take someone away - I suspect he went eventually to hospital. Extreme things can and do happen.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2017 #96
not very well 'managed',

well..there are alot of things need answering..
some polish tv went to Egypt to talk with locals.and they said this guy tourist manager,was involved in fishy business with girls.
and many other things.some disturbing videos of this operator guy,stealing her handbag and going through her things.taking her mobile phone..
its not standard behaviour.even police have to have some reason to take your stuff.guy was not authorised or qualified to deal with mental patient.its just all too strange

Perhaps the outcome would have been very different if she'd gone to Sharm Al Sheik or Hurghada,

i tho you said,she was psychotic??!!! how on earth can such person have any idea what to do?where to go?
perhaps if those who were responsible for her wellbeing drove her to Hurghada,things would be different.
instead,they were driving her around for 3 days,fok knows where
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #97
some polish tv went to Egypt to talk with locals.and they said this guy tourist manager,was involved in fishy business with girls.

I wouldn't put much weight on that. Desperately poor people will say anything in front of a TV camera.

how on earth can such person have any idea what to do?where to go?

It looks like you've misunderstood, Greggs. Those are much bigger places, with tourist infrastructure and more geared up to dealing with problems.

I wonder if there were many other Poles at the resort or at the flight gate to Poland that she was turned away from for extreme behaviour - if a something was going on and they noticed, would they have taken the time to help a stranger or looked the other way and not helped?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2017 #98
It looks like you've misunderstood, Greggs. Those are much bigger places, with tourist infrastructure and more geared up to dealing with problems.

cant you not follow simple strain in conversation? or you are just playing dumb when cornered with logic?
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #99
cant you not follow simple strain in conversation?

Now, now.

It seems obvious that a remote cluster of resort hotels geared to families and the elderly and a large town full of partying groups will have different infrastructure and different experience in dealing with problems.

Doesn't it Greggs?

And given that the place she stayed was full of Rainbow Tours people who booked from Poland and the airport gate she was turned away from due to extreme behaviour was for a flight to Poland, it seems odd that there was such a dearth of good Samaritans. Perhaps some nationalities are just more likely to look the other way at the time and make a fuss afterwards.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2017 #100
It seems obvious that a remote cluster of resort hotels geared to families and the elderly and a large town full of partying groups will have different infrastructure and different experience in dealing with problems.

jon..its fkin obvious that bigger cities have better infrastructure..but she could not go there by herself cus she was not mentally capable
it was job of those who were responsible for her wellbeing. for 3 days they did nothing and when it got too much they choose to kick her out of Hotel.

mentally ill person in foreign country.they did not inform any authorities for 3 days.
is that fkin normal?

she was turned away from due to extreme behaviour was for a flight to Poland

that was not confirmed..it was claim of those who could be possibly involved in her death.and there are contradicting witnesses statements regarding that story.

Perhaps some nationalities are just more likely to look the other way at the time and make a fuss afterwards.

no..some people dont get involved thinking that there are more competent people to deal in such case.they put trust in civil services.
if i see nasty case of someone getting psychotic,i wouldnt get involved,cus i am not competent or qualified,and can only make things worse.unless there is nobody else around,i would live it to competent people.
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #101
..but she could not go there by herself cus she was not mentally capable

Stating the obvious.

kick her out of Hotel.

Or sent her back to to Poland. Is it the hotel's fault that the Polish tour company's chosen airline wouldn't let her board?

they put trust in civil services.

In a tiny resort in a developing country? When you were in the village of Marsa Alam, did you see many 'civil services'.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
29 May 2017 #102
for some dumb people,not that obvious after all
jon357 69 | 18,445
29 May 2017 #103
I think you still misunderstand the English term "go to" in the sense of choosing a holiday destination. She went to Marsa Alam for her holiday. Not to Sharm, Hurghada or anywhere else.

Sharm is a tiny place, a cluster of resort hotels geared up to the elderly and families, remote and a long way from large towns.
Ironside 51 | 11,499
30 May 2017 #104
since you think there's something wrong in sticking to the known facts

I think is wrong to stick to rumors that fit your 'theory' as to what had happened and to dismiss those rumors that go contrary to YOUR theory.

The know facts are as follow, young women from Poland without any evident health problems went for a trip to Egypt. Three days on she was dead.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
30 May 2017 #105
it's kind of 'shocking' when a young woman is dead though isn't it? not very well 'managed',

No more shocking than the 10,000 people who die every single hour of 365 days of the year.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
30 May 2017 #106
The know facts are as follow, young women from Poland without any evident health problems went for a trip to Egypt. Three days on she was dead.

And that is unusual because of ... what??
Wulkan - | 3,243
30 May 2017 #107
According to your logic, Polish tourists who visit Egypt usually die after 3 days, well done pete boy.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
30 May 2017 #108
I wouldn't put much weight on that. Desperately poor people will say anything in front of a TV camera.

And in what way is saying that somebody is involved in a fishy businesses with women going to help these desperately poor people?

Anyway you're being prejudiced, assuming poor people lie. Perhaps they were just asked a question by reporters and told the truth?
jgrabner 1 | 76
31 May 2017 #109
German citizens can travel to Egypt without a passport

indeed, that is the law since 2002. They just have to bring a separate photo which the Egyptians will affix onto the visa, that in this case will be issued on the spot as a separate document at the point of entry. French, Belgian, Italian, and Portuguese citizen enjoy the same privileges. All others EU citizens can also obtain a visa at the point of entry (with the exception when coming from Israel), but they need a passport.

source: egyptian-embassy.de/konsulat
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
31 May 2017 #110
It is also interesting that our Brit gang is so 'certain' that this young lady went insane and committed suicide - but aren't even slightly suspicious that during her 14 minute video conversation with her boyfriend she hardly said a word. You'd think a mad woman who was shouting and being aggressive to Egyptian hotel and hospital staff would have a lot to say [or yell] to her boyfriend during their chat? I mean, it's almost like she was frightened of something, no? Bah, must be more conspiracy theories.
mafketis 32 | 10,552
31 May 2017 #111
ut aren't even slightly suspicious that during her 14 minute video conversation with her boyfriend she hardly said a word

I haven't seen the video and don't want to, but a friend (in healthcare) who did wondered what the 'civilians' hanging around in the hospital were doing and said that was pretty suspicious on its own
Ironside 51 | 11,499
31 May 2017 #112
And that is unusual because of ... what??

It is outside the norm. If young healthy females drop dead around you all the time I think the law should take a good look at you.
idem - | 132
31 May 2017 #113
It is all speculation but if she was unstable, spoke only Polish maybe they did not know how to deal with her?
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
25 Jun 2017 #114
Here's an example of another majority Islamic country where it appears if something happens to you, it's difficult to get anybody to do anything about it.

mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/british-mum-suffers-holiday-hell-10683637

I'm not suggesting this incidents proves anything, as we don't know if the woman on holiday in Turkey is telling the truth [although I can't see why she would lie].

I'm just saying this stuff does happen and that is why laughing off the Magdalena Zuk incident are proven to be suicide, is careless, to say the least.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
25 Jun 2017 #115
I'm just saying this stuff does happen and that is why laughing off the Magdalena Zuk incident are proven to be suicide, is careless, to say the least.

The fact that the Polish prosecutors so far have found absolutely nothing to prove anything other than suicide says it all.

Here's an example of another majority Islamic country where it appears if something happens to you, it's difficult to get anybody to do anything about it.

Come on, she fell for one of the oldest scams in the book. It's no different to the idiotic foreigners in Poland that get stung in clip joints.

It's not a nice situation, but following strange men that you've just met in a foreign country is hardly a wise idea, is it? Would you wander off with a strange girl in Spain?
weg04
25 Jun 2017 #116
It's no different to the idiotic foreigners in Poland that get stung in clip joints

Did you really just say that?
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Jun 2017 #117
The fact that the Polish prosecutors so far have found absolutely nothing to prove anything other than suicide says it all.

Indeed. And they've looked hard.

It's not a nice situation, but following strange men that you've just met in a foreign country is hardly a wise idea, is it?

Always worth being cautious, not just with attractive and flirty strangers but also with drink, food, basic safety etc. A number of foreign tourists and other visitors in Poland have died over the years of various sad causes, including a young woman a couple of decades ago who just disappeared without trace.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
25 Jun 2017 #118
A number of foreign tourists and other visitors in Poland have died over the years of various sad causes, including a young woman a couple of decades ago who just disappeared without trace.

Wasn't there some foreign conspiracy theorist who died only recently and suddenly?

Why weren't our friends on here so concerned about him? Was it because Żuk was a young, attractive female?
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Jun 2017 #119
Wasn't there some foreign conspiracy theorist who died only recently and suddenly?

Max Spiers, there's a thread about him here.

Why weren't our friends on here so concerned about him? Was it because Żuk was a young, attractive female?

Or because if the conspiracy woo that's being written about him is true, it could (in the 'minds' of some of the sillier posters here) reflect badly on Poland. Whereas Zuk falling out of the window in Egypt fuels their fragile prejudice.
jon357 69 | 18,445
25 Jun 2017 #120
People having tragedies on holiday is all too common - not just youngsters like Magda Zuk holidaying in the sun.

There was an American tourist murdered by a gang outside a nightclub in Piaseczno a while back, plus other occurances like the French man attacked by the police (he went to court about that and won compensation plus abject apologies btw). When people travel abroad, they should take great care to be careful - being a foreign tourist almost everywhere (even an all-inclusive family hotel, like Zuk went to) means there is a heightened risk, especially if alcohol or other recreationals are involved. And in hot places, stay out of the sun and drink plenty (really plenty) of fluids.

Anyway, the post-mortem's been done here in Poland, and no sign of foul play.


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