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Kaczynski to be buried at Wawel ?!


Mr Grunwald 27 | 1,820
14 Apr 2010 #121
Sure we are, genetically.

No spiritually...

But some better than others.

Yes indeed but, when an intelligent person will know that he is like an unfilled bucket then he will truly be wise

Again, trying to level everything down to mediocrity... I wish Nietszche was here to back me up.

Sorry but it seems you... misunderstood me or?

i am biggest Poljak here.

If somebody even questioned that he/she must have been utterly insane

bingo.

Yeah cause you thought that I thought that I am a supreme being that should have anyone under their foot just because I have noble roots?

Holy sh**
plk123 8 | 4,150
14 Apr 2010 #122
But some better than others.

see, this is where our view diverge once again.. there is no better then others.. unless of course you are talking about me.. then yes. ;) :D :D

In 100 years when we are dead and gone, people will realize how critical 1989 was, and the heros that took part in Solidarnosc (who didn't sell out) will be accordingly praised.

yup and so was '79-'81... maybe even more critical in many ways then '89.. thus to me Walesa is heads above kaczka.. personal opinion.. sure but i think there wouldn't be as much stink as this terrible mistake.. and i think in a 100 years people will still go "why is kaczka buried at wawel? what were they thinking back then?" it really sickens me as kaczka is nowhere near deserving of being there.. next to kosciuszko or pilsudki.. extremely disrespectful to them and the others there.

if the word comes out that kaczka was the reason for this accident, i hope they just toss his coffin into wisla and let it float out to the sea. :D

You aren't Polish, and you have ZERO right to play down what he has contributed to Poland.

i disagree with that too.. everyone is entitled to an opinion.. he observed and thus can share his/hers opinion.. what is wrong with that?

Just a technical note:
after 50 years in a standard grave (6 feet, coffin etc) there isn't anything to rot anymore. Except perhaps in the case of ardent fans of MacDonald's, in which case some of their body parts will be pickled for a little longer.

actually and technically there will be quite a bit of the body left after 50 years in a sealed coffin like they are today here in the states.. one kind of liquefies a bunch but the bones and a bunch of stuff still remains.. also remember that one is shot full of embalming fluids and such before one is placed into a steel sealed coffin.
convex 20 | 3,978
14 Apr 2010 #123
Seriously, is it that hard for you to take that Poles actually think of Kaczynski as a hero, in more ways than one?

But how many actually think he's a hero? It's not hard for me to imagine that some Poles think he's hero. Look at the response. Everyone is sad, but hero is a stretch. Based on your heroic criteria, I'm guessing Komorowski will be laid to rest at Wawel as well? Or does the person in question also have to line up with your political views in order to be considered a hero?

And you, Yank-off?

Yea, by the way, you're welcome on behalf of all "Yank-offs" for flying that C-17 to Warsaw today.

My point is that you won't even be remembered in 60+ years when you are dead. Kaczynski will be. (for numerous achievements) Maybe, just maybe if you become someone of standing, you will be able to pass criticism. As of right now, you are just some nameless, delluded net entity... One of many millions.

What does it matter that I won't be remembered in 60 years? What does that have to do with Kaczynski? It's not a contest. How am I deluded, and about what? I know he's more important than I'll ever be. Not doing a very good job at belittling me.
Crow 139 | 8,408
14 Apr 2010 #124
Or as recent historians have found out maybe it comes from the word "plemię"?
Poland was uniting many tribes in it's time when she was created

In the beginning of time (in time after Ice age was finished in Europe, some 11-14.000 years ago), when first Poles came to today`s Poland from Balkan (following Danube River /old name Ister), from Rasia/Rashka (Thracia/Tribalia), they conquered nature under the name of Ledjani. When they learned secrets of agriculture main Polish (Ledjani/Lechi in Polish) tribe adopted name of Poljaci (people from fields, dependent on land, peasants). Then came the name of Sarmatians (Serbians) after first organized societies of our ancients were formed. `Srbi/Srbijanci` refers to a ethnic name based on root SRB, meaning `numerous brothers` obviously organized in society/culture (see- Sarmatism). Just then, came the name of Slavjani (Slavs) referring on all of us who belonged to same linguistic and cultural area, all of us who were able to talk `sloviti` (synonym to `govoriti` to talk in Serbian). When our old civilization faced its downfall and was mostly conquered (subjugated) by Greeks and Romans, proud name of Slavs become synonym to `slaves` and glorious Sarmatian (Serbian) name synonym to `servants`. Romans also used to call us `serfs` (derivation from Sarmatian name/agricultural people).

This is /in short/ true history of Poles and Slavs in general. Other is just daily politics. Only some technical details have to be confirmed by official science.
plk123 8 | 4,150
14 Apr 2010 #125
Seriously, is it that hard for you to take that Poles actually think of Kaczynski as a hero, in more ways than one?

yes.. a rather impossible task..

also you slander Walesa achievements by calling him a commie.. he's no more a commie then kaczka.. and most likely less of one..

convex:
Aren't you half Polish?

Yup, born and raised in Poland.

then by your own reasoning you really only half allowed to comment on polish matters.. sorry.. let's keep it real. :D :D

Kaczynski will be. (for numerous achievements)

for crashing a plane.. that is it.. well, ok for being a huge homophobe and otherwise intolerant arse..

Yes indeed

lol.. you guys are crazy ...

Yeah cause you thought that I thought that I am a supreme being that should have anyone under their foot just because I have noble roots?

nope but you seem to think you are better then others which is utterly wrong. you are NOT. :)
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,456
14 Apr 2010 #126
Did some of you read that???

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8620415.stm

But Mr Wajda said the decision "will spark protests and could cause the deepest splits in Polish society since 1989".

If this forum is somehow comparable...well....
plk123 8 | 4,150
14 Apr 2010 #127
If this forum is somehow comparable...well....

there you go.... another great thing kaczka will be known for.. causing a huge split among Poles.. another reason he shouldn't be in Krakow.
rock - | 460
14 Apr 2010 #128
Just a question,

Why most of the people do not like Kaczynski?

As far as I know he was a nationalist. Wanted a free Poland. He was against Russia and Germany which is understandable. Fighted against unlawfulness.

I only respect to these spesifications.
Mr Grunwald 27 | 1,820
14 Apr 2010 #129
you are NOT. :)

I AM!!
*grunts in his corner for not getting the proper attention he wished for*

As far as I know he was a nationalist

lol no he wasn't a nationalist LOL

nop.org.pl/?artykul_id=5
They are nationalists...
Filios1 8 | 1,336
14 Apr 2010 #130
slander Walesa achievements by calling him a commie

'Bolek' was truly a communist's best friend. A total moron from layman background who could be used as a puppet.

This is the reason why our country is still trying to get up off its knees. It's because our friend Bolek was afraid to rid our government of communists, like what happened in the Czech Republic. Look at the corruption the Czech Republic now? Virtually nonexistant. Lech Walesa is no more deserving to be buried at the Wawel than Kaczynski.

I give Walesa credit where credit is due. He had courage during original Solidarnosc movement... but he was certainly no saint, and is guilty of many things...

How convenient for him to lose head of institute of national rememberence, Walentinowicz, AND Kaczynski. All his 'enemies'...

then by your own reasoning you really only half allowed to comment on polish matters.. sorry

I'm sorry? What do you not understand by the words, 'born and raised' in Poland?
There is a difference between me, and someone who is recently arrived from entirely different culture... Difference is that I actually grew up with this mentality, and know it well.

for crashing a plane.. that is it.. well, ok for being a huge homophobe and otherwise intolerant arse..

I might advise you, that you refrain from saying he crashed anything until we have some solid evidence... as of right now, you are talking out of your ass, and you know it.

As for homophobe and intolerant? Intolerant to whom? Go visit Poland, plk. You will see that 98% of population is still homophobic. They voted Kaczynski in, he didn't just appear magically as president. Country should look in the mirror, before calling someone homophobic. And just for the record, I don't think he was a homophobe at all...

only respect to these spesifications.

It seems only a Turk has a sober mind today...
Mr Grunwald 27 | 1,820
14 Apr 2010 #131
And just for the record, I don't think he was a homophobe at all...

neither do I, just not being for gey marriage isn't homophobic! It's called being an realist...
Marriage was meant for a women+man=kids in an economical phase, or we could all just breed like rabbits out of control and everyone could be ****** and goats
OP spiritus 68 | 666
14 Apr 2010 #132
Let's behave children.

Getting back to the point......

If protests are planned then I hope to God that this is concluded BEFORE Sunday's funeral otherwise it would be an embarassment for Poland to have the watching world see such a spectacle.
Filios1 8 | 1,336
14 Apr 2010 #133
BEFORE Sunday's funeral otherwise it would be an embarassment for Poland to have the watching world see such a spectacle.

Agreed 100% What benefit is there to protest at the funeral? They have voiced their opinion,and that is enough. They will not overturn the decision to bury him in Wawel with Pilsudski. Further protests are simply detrimental to Polands image...
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,456
14 Apr 2010 #134
Chancellor Merkel and president Köhler will come to the funeral...they will be flying in two different planes...
TIT 5 | 211
14 Apr 2010 #135
Further protests are simply detrimental to Polands image...

and whos trying to do the mess?
our beloved Gazeta Wyborcza
plk123 8 | 4,150
14 Apr 2010 #136
Further protests are simply detrimental to Polands image...

this burial is what is detrimental to Poland's image.. the protests are an expression of freedom what the populace wants or doesn't want... this certainly shouldn't be up to the twin.. i think Krakowiaks have the right to disagree with this deal.. same with the rest of poles.. i find the burial most disrespectful.
rock - | 460
14 Apr 2010 #137
they will be flying in two different planes...

Do we have to say wise Germans or what ?
TIT 5 | 211
14 Apr 2010 #138
Krakowiaks have the right to disagree

Krakowians are conservative folks in large, end of story
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,456
14 Apr 2010 #139
Do we have to say wise Germans or what ?

If you want to....;)
rock - | 460
14 Apr 2010 #140
Yeah, again your IQ statistics.

Even in that tragedy :(
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,456
14 Apr 2010 #141
Are you spoiling for a p*issing match or what?
TIT 5 | 211
14 Apr 2010 #142
The young Poles...



mephias 11 | 304
14 Apr 2010 #143
Chancellor Merkel and president Köhler will come to the funeral...

For me it is most surprising point in this accident. Even in Turkey according to security procedures, president, prime minister or chief of general staff never travel in same airplane. Even some private companies has procedures and they don't allow more than five employees in same flight.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,456
14 Apr 2010 #144
Well....I must admit I learned that german VIP's also regularly flew crowded in one plane before...I really thought we were smarter than that.

Only luck kept something like Smolensk from happening before.

Now a law is planned to prohibit that...we need laws, you know! ;)
rock - | 460
14 Apr 2010 #145
Are you spoiling for a p*issing match or what?

I just wanted to say you have to be more emphatic. That is all.

What do you think a Pole would feel when you emphasize that your president and chancellor are coming with 2 different planes. Useless info.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,456
14 Apr 2010 #146
What do you think a Pole would feel when you emphasize that your president nad chancellor are coming with different planes. Useless info.

Why useless info?
rock - | 460
14 Apr 2010 #147
Everybody admires that your president and chancellor are coming to funeral.

With different planes part is useless.

Senses BB senses...
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,456
14 Apr 2010 #148
Senses BB senses...

I'm German, what do you expect....
pgtx 30 | 3,158
15 Apr 2010 #149
i think Krakowiaks have the right to disagree with this deal..

well, i as a krakowianka, disagree... and does that change anything? no... :)
anyway... it's not a matter of anybody's choice... the decision has been made...
we have to just suck it up, used to it, and move on... :) as usual...
Polek
15 Apr 2010 #150
I was born in Krakow and I was always proud of Wawel – Cracovian sacred site for all Polish people, atheists and believers equally. Now, when such a mediocrity (as Kaczynski) out from the grave try to grab a spot in this sacred place I want to throw up. In my view, this is a desecration of Polish National Monument.

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