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Was Kaczyński behind the presidential veto?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Jul 2017 #1
Commentator Jan Bodakowski has suggested that Kaczyński, as a master strategist, may actually have masterminded Duda's veto. He compared it to the classic good cop-bad cop scenariowith Duda the good guy and Ziobro the villain. What do you think? I entertained that thought from the very beginning but thought no-one else evfen considered it. In politics, most anything is possible.

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mafketis 24 | 8,917
25 Jul 2017 #2
Kaczyński, as a master strategist, may actually have masterminded Duda's veto

A very quick skim of the piece seems like it's reaching. Occam's razor suggests tha JK simply underestimated how strongly the public felt about this (like his jihad against Donald Tusk earlier this year), it's not like he's ever had his finger on the public's pulse.... he has nothing remotely in common with most people in the country.

Also the idea that PiS doesn't lose anything from public protests is kind of ludicrous....

I do think that protest burnout is a real possibility so I think big public manifestations after today won't be needed for the time being.
Dougpol
25 Jul 2017 #3
Commentator Jan Bodakowski

Don't know who this commentator is, but it's total nonsense in my view. Anyone could clearly see that Duda was highly stressed and probably irritated at being put in such a position to have to veto these "reforms."

After all, he has to go on the president after dinner speech circuit in a few years to make his millions. American business would be interested in paying for his speeches on " How I sold Poland back in time to the Russian model of democracy."
Lyzko 26 | 6,963
25 Jul 2017 #4
Looks like Duda has some needed backbone after all. Good for him. So he and Szydlo are no longer pawns of Kaczynski!
:-)
Ironside 49 | 10,659
25 Jul 2017 #5
How I sold Poland back in time to the Russian model of democracy."

Poland has been soviet style democracy for the last 27 years. You didn't notice? Well happens. Changes has been stopped. The only question is for how long and is the blood on the streets really necessary to free Poland.
Lyzko 26 | 6,963
25 Jul 2017 #6
Think you just answered your own question.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Jul 2017 #7
nothing remotely in common with most people i

That sounds like the resentful trough-seeking clique of post-roundtbale has-beens.
mafketis 24 | 8,917
25 Jul 2017 #8
Yeah! He actually thinks like that which is just plain nutzo!!!! He's nutzo!!!!!
jon357 63 | 15,378
25 Jul 2017 #9
Kaczyński

strategist

He isn't a master strategist, simple an inveterate schemer, and yes he may well have done a one step back two steps forward scheme, or a two steps back one step forward scheme, both well known dirty tricks in politics.

Occam's razor suggests tha JK simply underestimated how strongly the public felt about this (like his jihad against Donald Tusk earlier this year)

This is however the most likely possibility.
Lyzko 26 | 6,963
25 Jul 2017 #10
People in the West of Europe are concerned that Poland may slide further away from democracy. Although if Duda's veto cannot be overridden, then perhaps there's less cause for concern:-)
gregy741 4 | 1,204
25 Jul 2017 #11
He isn't a master strategist

true,if he was,he would never put that Duda traitor as candidate for president.this idiot Duda is done anyway..

Although if Duda's veto cannot be overridden

no it cant...need 2/3 of sajm votes...67 % cant be done by PIS itself,,even with KUkiz
Lyzko 26 | 6,963
25 Jul 2017 #12
Hey there, folks!

Quit attributing my name to posts or messages I never wrote. It makes me look as though I'm saying stuff I didn't say.

Thanks
Ironside 49 | 10,659
25 Jul 2017 #13
Looks like Duda has some needed backbone after all.

Rather broomstick which can be Easily mistaken for a backbone from a distance.

People in the West of Europe

Nah, Germany is concerned their they key element in the building a new German empire hand in hand with Russia, seems to be slipping away. Democracy? lol!
Lyzko 26 | 6,963
25 Jul 2017 #14
Uh-uh, pal, not if ol' lady Angie can help it!! She'll steer the ship back on course, headwinds and political rip currents notwithstanding. You just wait and see:-)
jon357 63 | 15,378
25 Jul 2017 #15
he would never put that Duda traitor as candidate for presiden

At least you acknowledge that the reigns of power are not help by the so-called 'president' and so-called 'premier' but by a backbencher.
Lyzko 26 | 6,963
25 Jul 2017 #16
Correct!
gregy741 4 | 1,204
25 Jul 2017 #17
backbencher.

hes not backbencher..hes PIS leader..leader is someone who make decisions...check definition of leadership
Lyzko 26 | 6,963
25 Jul 2017 #18
....a "backboner" then.
LOL
jon357 63 | 15,378
25 Jul 2017 #19
hes not backbencher

Yes, he is, unless he's a minister or holding other parliamentary office. He doesn't.

backboner

Quite.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
25 Jul 2017 #20
yea,democracy is contradicting and funny thing...first required a strong leader to lead party,and then people are surprise that strong leader holds and desire power.

PO was also run by single person -Tusk and so was Palikot party-most-pro democratic(so they were saying) and yet run by a single guy
jon357 63 | 15,378
25 Jul 2017 #21
strong leader to lead party

To lead the Party or lead the country? As we've seen, these are two very different things.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
25 Jul 2017 #22
Kaczynski doesnt lead the country.Dudas vote prove that..idea of Szydlo and Duda being Kaczynskis puppets are created by the media for useful idiots..its label.not much to do with the truth.
Ironside 49 | 10,659
25 Jul 2017 #23
What difference does it make? You are supporting the nasty squat scum in Poland and rejoice that any improvement is stifled. good jon.
jon357 63 | 15,378
25 Jul 2017 #24
the nasty squat scum

A foul term for the millions of Poles who oppose the attempted coup by Kaczynski.
Lyzko 26 | 6,963
25 Jul 2017 #25
Nasty, but expected.
jon357 63 | 15,378
25 Jul 2017 #26
Exactly. They resort to this when they're thwarted.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
25 Jul 2017 #27
for the millions of Poles

errrrr 4k,and mostly soros paid UBywateli
Lyzko 26 | 6,963
25 Jul 2017 #28
Just like the AfD'ers to the SPD-adherents next door:-)
jon357 63 | 15,378
25 Jul 2017 #29
mostly soros paid UBywatel

You got proof of that silly assertion?

And yes, there are millions of Poles who don't support PiS and their evil plans. Most didn't vote for them.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Jul 2017 #30
PiS doesn't lose anything from public protests

But that had indeed been the case for most of the 20 months. An exception was the failed Decemebr putsch attmept which for a time did seem touch and go. The strange thing about the second July putsch attempt was the very late appearance of young people in the final stretch. Anti-Acta OK, footie hooligans, ditto, but so far youth had been the conspicously absent from the KOD marches and most other anti-PiS protests. It's not surprisng then that their sudden appearance has triggered speculation of outside influence and possible fianancing via certian NGOs. Add to that the step-by-step overthrow scenarios circulated by the Maidan duo and the astroturfing operation that suggested that Latin America was all for PO adn against PiS. It deso make one think.


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