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IPN apologises to Adam Michnik


jonni 16 | 2,485
21 Dec 2009 #1
It was in today's newspapers here in PL that the somewhat discredited IPN (Institute of National Remembrance) have been ordered by the courts to apologise to the newspaper editor and former political prisoner Adam Michnik.

They'd said that his father was guilty of crimes against Poland. He wasn't - and they've had to apologise.

These are the same clowns who published a book saying that Nobel prize winner Lech Wałęsa was a Communist spy. :-)) Also the subject of a court case.

Here's a link to an article on the Wprost website (in Polish - it hasn't reached English language media yet).

IPN in " March of 1968 in the documents of the Ministry of Interior ," said that before the war the father Michnik was " arrested and was sentenced for spying for the Soviet Union ." Father Michnik , a member of the illegal Communist Party of Western Ukraine in 1934 . Together with other communists was sentenced in the process of Luck to eight years in prison. The Court stated , however, that there is insufficient evidence that he was convicted of espionage , not for belonging to an illegal organization and attempting to overthrow the then regime . - I had a feeling that this biography has been formulated in such a way that zohydzić father in the eyes of the readers and my eyes. Calling a Soviet spy, my father picked up a slander attack on his dignity and my right to respect his memory - Michnik said

delphiandomine 83 | 17,730
21 Dec 2009 #2
Many thanks for that article.

If it doesn't prove that the IPN are nothing but a bunch of goons hired by PiS to discredit their political enemies, then what does? The fact that the 'book' about Walesa was written by a Masters student with close links to PiS should have been enough of a dead giveaway that it was merely done by someone trying to make their career at someone else's expense.

PO's continued funding of the IPN is an utter disgrace to the country. It's a shame that Poland can't look into her past fairly and honestly, but still.
1jola 14 | 1,879
6 Jan 2010 #3
somewhat discredited IPN

Former communists and traitors working for SB are working hard to discredit IPN.

These are the same clowns who published a book saying that Nobel prize winner Lech Wałęsa was a Communist spy. :-)) Also the subject of a court case.

To call a government institution, which has the responsibility to study, investigate, and prosecute nazi and communist crimes against Polish nationals, "clows" speaks volumes about you. I have the book here and have read it. Have you? Which part of the book do you not agree with? Refer me to some particular document or handwritten denouncement of Walesa you think that the two PH.D historians are wrong about. Court case? That's a joke. Walese thretens court cases all the time, but he is all threats.

Nobel prize winner Lech Wałęsa

So is Omama. For peace. So was Szymborska for literature. Have you read her poems praising Stalin?

If it doesn't prove that the IPN are nothing but a bunch of goons hired by PiS to discredit their political enemies, then what does?

You have no knowlege on the subject at all, so our coversation will be short.

The fact that the 'book' about Walesa was written by a Masters student

Wrong book. You are not even on the same page as your sidekick above. When you learn Polish, you can read this book:

gdansk.naszemiasto.pl/wydarzenia/865003.html

have been ordered by the courts to apologise to the newspaper editor and former political prisoner Adam Michnik.

Are these the same cours that haven't been able to prosecute even one communist criminal? Ask yourself one question. Crimes were committed, they went unpunished. Why?
Harry
6 Jan 2010 #4
To call a government institution, which has the responsibility to study, investigate, and prosecute nazi and communist crimes against Polish nationals, "clowns" speaks volumes about you.

He's actually referring to the two authors of the book which the deputy director of the IPN, Maria Dmochowksa, said publicly the book was part of a "witch-hunt" and shouldn't be published under the institute's name. He's not calling the whole institute clowns (although there is ample evidence that there are more clowns there than just those two).

Walese thretens court cases all the time, but he is all threats.

Really? I thought he'd won several court cases since the year 2000 about these claims. Do explain how those cases never happened.

Former communists and traitors working for SB are working hard to discredit IPN.

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the... Oh sorry, I was getting you confused with the junior senator for Wisconsin. Easy mistake to make.
1jola 14 | 1,879
6 Jan 2010 #5
the book was part of a "witch-hunt"

One one hand, Poland is accused of not facing its past. When we do, it's a witch hunt. The documents speak for themselves and regretably Walesa was an agent in the 70's. Personally, I, like all Poles, would like that not being so, but it is. The research done on the subject is beyond reproach. Many people sucumbed to pressure to inform, some volunteered though for priviledges, cash, etc. Walesa has become an embarassment now, and watch what will come of his "lawsuit."

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the... Oh sorry, I was getting you confused with the junior senator for Wisconsin. Easy mistake to make.

Rarely people confuse me with a US senator, but thnks for the compliment. Yeah, Harry, I'm the McCarthy of PF.

You can take a look at Walesa's goon assault a journalist in court with total impunity. We don't need such sacred cows in this country. The police refused to react. An assault in court, no less. Scandalous. What do you make of this?



BTW, the thug is the President of "Walesa Institute." Whatever that means.
Harry
6 Jan 2010 #6
When we do, it's a witch hunt.

At least part of it is according to the IPN.

The documents speak for themselves and regretably Walesa was an agent in the 70's.

Pity the documents can't be relied upon to speak the truth.

What do you make of this?

It's not as bad as the drink driving case involving the son of a certain former electrician from Gdansk which was 'made to go away'.
Infotimes - | 19
6 Jan 2010 #7
They'd said that his father was guilty of crimes against Poland.

He was!

He was guilty and sentenced for 8 years altogether with other communists.
Problem is that IPN said that he was sentenced for spying for Soviets and they had only documents that he was sentenced for membership in Anti State organization and trying to overthrow political system.

I think that IPN was right. If nowdays someone from Al-Kaida works in US or some EU country and "is only trying to change political system" he spies for Al-Kaida too.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
14 Jan 2010 #8
Michnik's biological father Aron Schechter may not have been convicted of espionage, but he was definitely a subversive operating in Stalin's Comintern-linked Polish Communist Party and subsidiaries in Belarus and Ukraine whose goal was to undermine independent Poland. Michnik's mother was a writer of Stalinist textbooks in the postwar period whose purpose was to brainwash and Sovietise Polish schoolchildren. And Michnik's brother is a Stalinist desk-top murderer with blood on his hands, a fugitive from justice to this day hiding out in Sweden. Michnik comes from a truly 'fajna rodzinka'!
kith 1 | 72
15 Jan 2010 #9
So was Szymborska for literature. Have you read her poems praising Stalin?

No, I haven't. Yikes. Where can I read these poems (in English)?
1jola 14 | 1,879
15 Jan 2010 #10
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wis%C5%82awa_Szymborska

Like Czesław Miłosz, Szymborska produced ridiculous works for the Stalinist regime that one writer termed Unreal World of Real-Socialism. This was not the highlight of their careers as writers. Miłosz explains this in The Captive Mind. I don't know of English translations of these but I'll try to find some beauties just for laughs.
pawian 161 | 9,971
19 Sep 2012 #11
Michnik comes from a truly 'fajna rodzinka'!

But we mustn`t judge people by their family, only by what they are, must we?
jon357 63 | 14,148
19 Sep 2012 #12
Wow!

A three year old thread!

But yes, you're right, we shouldn't.
sofijufka 2 | 191
20 Sep 2012 #13
Michnik's mother was a writer of stalinsit textbooks in the posotwar period whose purpose was to brianwash and Sovietise Polish schoolchildren.

You know, it's funny, but I think that her books might have quite the opposite effect. I've found in my library her book "History of Poland till 1795" - and I believe, that this book could teach young people 'think historically", that each event has it's own cause and effect . Her conclusions were wrong, of course, but later published textbooks were good only for repetition. My mother teached history, year after year she had to have a new textbook, and each of them was "thinner" and good only for test's exam.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
20 Sep 2012 #14
Soviet-style hsitory created 'progressive' and 'reactionary' kings and nobles. Bolesław the Bold was idolised because he had St Stanislaus murdered. Are any of Helena Michnik's books available online?


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