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US shouldn't interfere in Polish election (Polish-American Advocacy Initiative)


MareGaea 29 | 2,752
27 Jun 2010 #31
Poles have been in NY city council continously for the past 100 years y'know while Dutch were busy beating up Jews and selling soap in the docks market

Did you know that NY used to be called New Amsterdam? Guess who founded that city? :)

Edit: and as a little extra it's nice to know that the Dutch have always been part of the ruling elite in NYC...

>^..^<

M-G (Harlem, Brooklyn, Bronx, Yonkers, Flushing - all Dutch names)
Ironside 49 | 10,372
27 Jun 2010 #32
I hope she doesn't go because she will give our money to Poland again.

where is that money ? What about 4 billions US dollars or more we paid for some military rubbish made in usa?

You'd still waiting in line for toilet paper

What are you about? having ****** life eh?

Its like Europeans pretending that their countries are still sovereign. Very amusing to u

Sure, tell me can Pennsylvania leave the Union?I'm sure you don't need much to be amused is not a bad thing,thought.

You are a very talkative today, regained your spunk Johnny ?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010 #33
Did you know that NY used to be called New Amsterdam? Guess who founded that city? :)

When it was a tiny village called Manhattan, then Poles took over and look where it is today?:)

nice to know that the Dutch have always been part of the ruling elite in NYC...

Want a nice statistic as to how many Dutch were mayors vs how many Poles i'm pretty sure its on their site? Also current council doesnt have a single Dutchman but it does have two Poles.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
27 Jun 2010 #34
When it was a tiny village called Manhattan, then Poles took over and look where it is today?:)

See, you don't know anything about NY's history. Everybody knows that the Dutch founded NY and most of the buroughs of that city derived their names from originally Dutch names.

Want a nice statistic as to how many Dutch were mayors vs how many Poles i'm pretty sure its on their site? Also current council doesnt have a single Dutchman but it does have two Poles.

That's funny, as when I look on the NY city counsil website, I don't see any Polish sounding surname...Perhaps Karen Koslowitz could be of distant Polish descent, but it says nowhere that she is Polish.

council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml

On the other hand, "Jimmy van Bramen" and "Daniel Dromm" sound pretty Dutch, eh? And how about Roosevelt, Vanderbilt...All Dutch names as Dutch can be. Our crown prince went to NYC last summer to celebrate 400 years of Dutch ties with NYC. Poles do not enter until about 1850...

>^..^<

M-G (face it, Dutch have more with NYC than the Poles do)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010 #35
On the other hand, "Jimmy van Bramen" and "Daniel Dromm" sound pretty Dutch, eh?

It doesnt say they're Dutch though :)))

All Dutch names as Dutch can be.

Roosevelt Dutch?!

M-G (face it, Dutch have more with NYC than the Poles do)

Had :)))

Poles do not enter until about 1850...

Actually Poles enter at the end of the first partition at 1773-5.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
27 Jun 2010 #36
Roosevelt Dutch

Oh yes. And guess what, there have been two presidents of the US by that name.

Roosevelt is an Anglicized form of the Dutch surname 'Van Rosevelt,' or 'Van Rosenvelt', meaning 'from field of roses.'[2] Although some use an Anglicized spelling pronunciation of /ˈruːzəvɛlt/, that is, with the vowels of rue and felt, Franklin used [ˈroʊzəvəlt], with the vowel of the English rose.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

Some more from the same link:

One of the wealthiest and oldest families in New York State, the Roosevelts distinguished themselves in areas other than politics. Franklin's first cousin, Ellen Roosevelt, was the 1890 U.S. Open Championships women's singles and doubles tennis champion and is a member of the International Tennis Hall of Fame.

The Roosevelts had been in New York since the mid-17th century. Roosevelt was born into a wealthy family of Dutch origin; by the 19th century, the family had grown in wealth, power and influence from the profits of several businesses including hardware and plate-glass importing

from this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

Edit:

There was also a Martin van Buren, also president of the US...That makes already 3 Presidents of the US...

More funfacts: did you know that the NYC flag is based upon the old Dutch flag?

>^..^<

M-G (now name me an American president of Polish descent)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010 #37
M-G (now name me an American president of Polish descent)

James Polk son of Sam Polk of Silesian Poles (Polk being a germanised version of Polak) and son of Jane Polk, i think she was Scottish or Irish.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
27 Jun 2010 #38
Hm...Wiki says following:

Polk, the first of ten children, was born in a farmhouse (possibly a "log" cabin)[1] in what is now Pineville, North Carolina in Mecklenburg County on November 2, 1795, just outside of Charlotte. His father, Samuel Polk, was a slaveholder, successful farmer and surveyor of Scots-Irish descent. His mother, Jane Polk (née Knox), was a descendant of a brother of the Scottish religious reformer John Knox.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Polk

So it seems like he's in fact Scottish/Irish. But let's for sport's sake assume that he is of Polish descent, that would only be one against 3 Presidents of Dutch descent. By the way I seem to remember that Polk is a common Scottish surname.

Anyhow, NYC is in fact the most "Dutch" city of the US and they cherish and celebrate it quite regularily.

>^..^<

M-G (haec hactenus)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
27 Jun 2010 #39
So it seems like he's in fact Scottish/Irish. But let's for sport's sake assume that he is of Polish descent, that would only be one against 3 Presidents of Dutch descent.

Well the Poles were latecomers.

By the way I seem to remember that Polk is a common Scottish surname.

Lemme dig him up, his gramps came from Silesia.

Anyhow, NYC is in fact the most "Dutch" city of the US and they cherish and celebrate it quite regularily.

Especially during polish parades!
ender 5 | 398
27 Jun 2010 #40
name me an American president of Polish descent

we were taking them out
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Czolgosz
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
27 Jun 2010 #41
Well the Poles were latecomers

James Polk: (1845-1849)

Martin van Buren: (1837-1841)

Theodore Roosevelt: (1901-1909)

Franklin Delano Roosevelt: (1933-1945)

polish parades!

That's sth of the last few decades and doesn't mean a thing. Minneapolis has a Dutch parade and yet the city is predominantly Scandinavian. To be a van Buren, Vanderbilt, Van Coevoorden (Vancouver) or Roosevelt in the US means you're nearly nobility over there. And I'm not even talking about Wallstreet (Waal Straat), Broadway (Bredeweg) and Coney Island (Konijnen eiland).

we were taking them out

Indeed :)

Anyway, it was fun, but I'm off to bed now.

>^..^<

M-G (NYC is knitted of Dutch wool as the saying goes)
Pinching Pete - | 558
27 Jun 2010 #42
NYC is knitted of Dutch wool as the saying goes

Well , it would seem that a lot of Puerto Ricans do the knitting nowadays ;- (..
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
27 Jun 2010 #43
Sokrates wrote:

Poland was a major power in Europe and everyone who had a problem with it got their arse kicked.

now THAT sounds American!

it always cracks me up to see thread after thread digress into history lessons. oh, it also bores me.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
27 Jun 2010 #44
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After reading all the various opinions on this topic, all I can say is GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!! Everyone should chill out.

All this talk about Polish Americans want this candidate or that candidate to win in Poland I think is becoming a little much. I think this whole thing is much a do about nothing.

As a Polish American who reads various Polish American newspapers, I think most Polish Americans will respect the choice of whoever the Poles in Poland vote for. I know I will. All I ask for is that the next elected guy does all he can to cut taxes and promote small business in Poland. But I don't know if this position will have that big of an impact on those things.

As for the notion of any US official like Mrs. Clinton trying to influence the election, this is wrong. The US government should stay out of the Polish election. But I don't know how true this notion is.
Ironside 49 | 10,372
27 Jun 2010 #45
do you not understand a difference between a state and a country?

well, do you?
Americans are quick to laugh at EU country's but they don't even remember that today states are yesterday country's.
Federal government has stronger and stronger grip on you, laugh away.

that's a major stretch..

not really, but its hard to prove otherwise

Everyone should chill out.

you chill out - you are talking too much
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
27 Jun 2010 #46
dood.. there is polonia all over the world and kaczka wins with all of polonia..

"dood", he lost to Komorowski almost everywhere but in the USA and in Belarus. Belarus I understand, but the USA vote proves that they're completely out of touch.

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But I don't know if this position will have that big of an impact on those things.

Exactly. Most Polonia don't have a bloody clue, especially if they have never lived in Poland post 1989. Most American Polonia couldn't tell you about the exact role of the President. In fact, some of them seem to believe that he heads the Government!
convex 20 | 3,978
27 Jun 2010 #47
As for the notion of any US official like Mrs. Clinton trying to influence the election, this is wrong. The US government should stay out of the Polish election. But I don't know how true this notion is.

Yes, so should the rest of the foreign ministers attending the CD meetings, which were planned a couple of years ago. Takes a special amount of stupid to link the two together.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
27 Jun 2010 #48
If Polish govt officials want to visit USA before our next presidential election, I won't complain. I won't accuse them of trying to influence the election, either.
Ironside 49 | 10,372
27 Jun 2010 #49
Did you know that NY used to be called New Amsterdam? Guess who founded that city? :)

bloody Dutch its your doing, shame on you
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
27 Jun 2010 #50
All I ask for is that the next elected guy does all he can to cut taxes and promote small business in Poland. But I don't know if this position will have that big of an impact on those things.

Then you should back Komorowski. PO are the party of business, whereas PiS support large nationalised industries that suck up incredible amounts of cash for nothing.

Just look at who Solidarność are supporting ;)

And yes, this election does have an impact - Komorowski will support the government agenda, whereas Kaczynski will use his veto to prevent many things that can help small businesses.
plk123 8 | 4,150
27 Jun 2010 #51
well, do you?
Americans are quick to laugh at EU country's but they don't even remember that today states are yesterday country's.

obviously you don't... states were never countries of their own.. never

not really, but its hard to prove otherwise

yes it is.. one pretty weak army beating another weak army doesn't really constitute saving europe from that weak army.. it's not hard to prove.. illusions of grandeur is what that is..

"dood", he lost to Komorowski almost everywhere but in the USA and in Belarus. Belarus I understand, but the USA vote proves that they're completely out of touch.

lol.. yeah, whatever..
Crow 139 | 8,148
27 Jun 2010 #52
US shouldn't interfere in Polish election

only in eventual future Slavic Confederation Poland can expect USA not to interfere in Polish elections
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #53
America likes to keep an eye on things. Expect a few 'tricks' to keep JK out of power.
Pinching Pete - | 558
28 Jun 2010 #54
America likes to keep an eye on things.

I like to keep an eye on dog's dumping in my yard, other than that I'm cool.

Seriously, Conspiracy Boy.. there's no real vested interest to keep JK in power over here. Polonia likes him.. so what? It's not big deal.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
28 Jun 2010 #55
Expect a few 'tricks' to keep JK out of power.

Yeah, that's why we were so good at defeating Castro and Il Jong. US is not so mighty as you may think.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #56
Conspiracy? What's that, Pete? Poland is not Iran so there will be minimal intervention. America are glad that Ahmedinejad stayed in power.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
28 Jun 2010 #57
Ahmedinejad

We don't want him in power. US wants some guy who will bow to Israel's crown to rule Iran. That is what we want. Do you see that happening?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #58
Not at all. Ahmedinejad is the next excuse for some global engineering. The CIA will give the nod for a dumb attack eventually.
Ironside 49 | 10,372
28 Jun 2010 #59
states were never countries of their own.. never

obviously you are wrong their were for a brief moment between rejection of rightful government and construction of the first federal government of 13 colony's.

There is also case of Texas, hardly never then...

yes it is.. one pretty weak army beating another weak army doesn't really constitute saving europe from that weak army.. it's not hard to prove.. illusions of grandeur is what that is..

?
weak compare to what ?
Anyway this "weak" Red Army ( who never lost except in Poland 1920 and Afghanistan 1987) were always victorious, if said army would give a hand communists in Germany there would be Red Country from Vladivostok to Rhenium and maybe to the Atlantic.

Given circumstances of 1920s that scenario was probable.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
28 Jun 2010 #60
If we had our way we would just put a bunch of puppets in every country on this earth and there would be no dissention. It would be an invariable Pax Americana. Everyone would do what we want, there would be no trouble. Anywhere. You can see for yourself that clearly isn't the case. People put who they want in charge of their countries. You cannot give your power away by blaming someone else.

And most important of all, we would defeat the Kazoo Nation to win the World Cup.

Every year.


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