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US shouldn't interfere in Polish election (Polish-American Advocacy Initiative)


Polonius3 1,002 | 12,500    
26 Jun 2010  #1
Polish-American Advocacy Initiative: U.S. Officials Must Not Interfere in Polish Elections

WASHINGTON, June 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The planned visit to Poland by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other U.S. officials immediately before the final round of Poland's Presidential elections can only be seen as a blatant attempt to influence the outcome of this election. This visit must be postponed until after the new Polish president is elected.

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David_18 69 | 987    
26 Jun 2010  #2
YES!!! Down with the American imperialism! Viva la Europe!
rychlik 41 | 374    
26 Jun 2010  #3
I've heard Polish Americans do not like Komorowski. Why?
Seanus 15 | 19,741    
26 Jun 2010  #4
Because he leans more towards Russia whereas JK will side more with the US.
delphiandomine 86 | 17,369    
  26 Jun 2010  #5
This latest release proves beyond all doubts that the American Polonia are in fact complete numbskulls.

SOURCE Polish-American Advocacy Group

Who? There's no trace of them online.

The Secretary of State's visit will focus news coverage on Komorowski and the Community of Democracies meeting,

I'm sure this meeting was arranged long before Lech died. Komorowski is the Acting President of Poland - therefore, what's the problem?

Such a grave error would only undercut America's friendship with Poland and court the wrath of Polish American voters in the U.S.

Undercut America's friendship with Poland? A PO Government and a President sympathetic to the Government isn't going to do that.

Polish American voters? Well, bearing in mind that many of them voted for some guy who couldn't even pronounce his own Polish name, they're frankly idiots and not worth bothering with. And anyway, the ones voting for Kaczynski will be voting Republican anyway, so again, no problem.

Quite amusing to watch a PiS cover group criticise America, though.

I've heard Polish Americans do not like Komorowski. Why?

Because they know nothing apart from what the English media reports. The Polonia elsewhere tend to be better educated and able to read the language - thus they know how things really are in Poland.

It's nothing to do with who likes who (for a start : Komorowski is hardly an America-hater) - but all to do with the fact that Kaczynski makes them think of the homeland that Babcia talks about, even though they've never visited and would never dream of paying taxes to the country which they so proudly claim to be citizens of.

Quite a few of them only discovered their Polish roots after 2004 as well.
Tymoteusz 2 | 358    
26 Jun 2010  #6
Poland is having an election?
Zed - | 196    
26 Jun 2010  #7
Kaczynski's fans are completely deluded about who he is.... It is he who is pro-russian even though he denies it. A destroyer of democracy, that's who he is!
plk123 8 | 4,158    
26 Jun 2010  #8
Poland is having an election?

lol.. way to be on top of the news.. btw.. the election is on the 4th of july too.. :D :D

I've heard Polish Americans do not like Komorowski. Why?

Because he leans more towards Russia whereas JK will side more with the US.

right, but not all of polonia is for duckski

This latest release proves beyond all doubts that the American Polonia are in fact complete numbskulls.

once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about..

Polish American voters? Well, bearing in mind that many of them voted for some guy who couldn't even pronounce his own Polish name, they're frankly idiots and not worth bothering with. And anyway, the ones voting for Kaczynski will be voting Republican anyway, so again, no problem.

please just shut it.. and not necessarily at republican at all.. you seem to be making some huge assumptions and making yourself look like a numbscull you accuse polams of being.. wtf dude.. lay off the vodka..

Because they know nothing apart from what the English media reports. The Polonia elsewhere tend to be better educated and able to read the language - thus they know how things really are in Poland.

again... you obviously know nothing of the polonia in the US.. or other and you keep making yourself look like a fool.. please give it up

Quite a few of them only discovered their Polish roots after 2004 as well.

you are an idiot.. jeez
Torq 26 | 2,363    
  26 Jun 2010  #9
even though they've never visited and would never dream of paying taxes to the country which they so proudly claim to be citizens of.

Exactly. If they pay taxes outside Poland for more than 5 years (not to mention,
if they are a permanent resident of a foreign country) they shouldn't have the right
to vote in Polish presidential and parliamentary elections. Why should those people
decide the fate of those who live in Poland, work and raise their kids here? Complete
nonsense.

Quite a few of them only discovered their Polish roots after 2004 as well.

True.

Quite a few of them only discovered their Polish roots after 2004 as well.

you are an idiot.. jeez


@plk123:

He made a perfectly true statement and you are insulting him. You're such a retarded
peasant, it's unbelievable :-)
plk123 8 | 4,158    
26 Jun 2010  #10
He made a perfectly true statement and you are insulting him. You're such a retarded peasant, it's unbelievable :-)

it's not even close to be a true statement, douchebag, thus i had to counter it..

Completenonsense.

no, what is nonsense is the crap you both post here. now, that is the truth.
MareGaea 29 | 2,762    
26 Jun 2010  #11
So what is the fuss? Who in PL cares about what some ppl in America who's great- great- great-granparents happen to emigrate from Poland think about the Polish elections? I mean, I wouldn't care what an American of Dutch descent would think about the recent elections in NL...

They don't pay tax and see PL (and the rest of Europe for that matter) mainly as an open air museum. Who cares what they think...

>^..^<

M-G (just my two cents)
Torq 26 | 2,363    
  26 Jun 2010  #12
it's not even close to be a true statement, douchebag

That's what you think, halfwit.

no, what is nonsense is the crap you both post here. now, that is the truth.

When it comes to posting crap - you are the Undisputed World Champion. Now, that is a fact.
Sokrates 8 | 3,348    
26 Jun 2010  #13
again... you obviously know nothing of the polonia in the US.. or other and you keep making yourself look like a fool.. please give it up

I know a lot about Polonia since 21 members of my family live there and my uncle is the president of the second largest polonia association in NY and 8th largest such association in USA and they know nothing about life in Poland.

Polonia in USA has this idealised view of how stuff should be while not living here and not experiencing our ups and downs.

You should stop posting out of your arse, at least you're not insulting our flag like you used to mierna podróbko Polaka.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,885    
26 Jun 2010  #14
delphiandomine wrote:

Because they know nothing apart from what the English media reports.

and

Well, bearing in mind that many of them voted for some guy who couldn't even pronounce his own Polish name

which is case and point why Poles, people that can't speak English, and certainly people that have never been to America.........do not know $hit about the USA.

zajebiscie Delph!

delphiandomine wrote:

This latest release proves beyond all doubts that the American Polonia are in fact complete numbskulls.

to some up..........what do you know about "American Polonia"? Ever met one?

keep tootin' that america-hating vuvuzela of yours, kid.
Sokrates 8 | 3,348    
26 Jun 2010  #15
to some up..........what do you know about "American Polonia"? Ever met one?

Some cretin removed my post, i know a lot of Polonia Fuzzy, 2/3rds of my family a grand total of 21 people and assorted polish spouses and kids that i can't keep track of are from Polonia and both Torq and Delphia are 100% correct, Polonia is from another planet, utterly clueless as to what makes Poland tick.
delphiandomine 86 | 17,369    
26 Jun 2010  #16
once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about..

Once again, you show that you have absolutely no manners or consideration towards users of this forum. I say it again - give the money back.

again... you obviously know nothing of the polonia in the US.. or other and you keep making yourself look like a fool.. please give it up

How else can you explain the phenomenon that Kaczynski won in America, but not elsewhere? It's simple - they don't know a damn thing that's going on in Poland, apart from what they read in the newspapers. And those American newspapers gladly call Kaczynski "conservative".

you are an idiot.. jeez

It's not me that took a considerable sum of money from an internet forum, only to then go around abusing the members constantly for no apparent reason.

Exactly. If they pay taxes outside Poland for more than 5 years (not to mention, if they are a permanent resident of a foreign country) they shouldn't have the right to vote in Polish presidential and parliamentary elections. Why should those people
decide the fate of those who live in Poland, work and raise their kids here? Complete
nonsense.

The thing with this is - I'd be in favour of stripping it from *all* of the Polonia. But the easiest, most practical way to do it is simply to strip the ones without an ID card of their right to vote. Anyone without one has no tie to Poland! I mean, if you can't be bothered to visit the motherland once every 10 years to pick up a new ID card...

no, what is nonsense is the crap you both post here. now, that is the truth.

No, the truth is that you're incredibly ungrateful for what this forum has given you.

They don't pay tax and see PL (and the rest of Europe for that matter) mainly as an open air museum. Who cares what they think...

Alas MG, these people have a right to vote. And they know nothing about Polish politics or the consequences of their vote.

Polonia in USA has this idealised view of how stuff should be while not living here and not experiencing our ups and downs.

I think they also see a very narrow view of things - for instance, Kaczynski criticises Russia and they're all "yaaay!" without knowing a damn thing about how it effects Poland. I don't blame them - they don't speak the language and the English press doesn't do a good job of reporting on things - but they really have no concept of just what influence they have.

to some up..........what do you know about "American Polonia"? Ever met one?

Met a few. One of them has shedloads of integrity and refuses to vote in the elections despite holding a Polish ID card because he doesn't want to influence the next 5 years here when he has no intention of living here permanently. The others - sadly fall for all the nonsense about Kaczynski standing up for Poland and being against the evil EU. None of them, unsurprisingly, answered my question as to why Kaczynski didn't pass a bill to exit the EU when he had the parliamentary majority to do so. In fact - one of them was so badly informed that he thought Poland joined the EU during the Tusk government!

Polonia is from another planet, utterly clueless as to what makes Poland tick.

The strange thing for me - and this applies to the Polonia everywhere - WHY do they do such a terrible job of teaching the language to their children? I know several British and Australian 2nd generation Polonia who don't speak Polish.
tygrys 2 | 294    
26 Jun 2010  #17
It is up to the Polish people, not U.S. officials, to choose the next Polish president.

Sure it is. The same when we had elections in the US and Poles were telling us who to vote for because Poles wanted what was best for Poland. We don't care who gets elected way in Poland, we don't like Hillary, she does not represent all Americans, she gives our money away to other countries, she is a useless piece of $hit. I hope she doesn't go because she will give our money to Poland again.
Tymoteusz 2 | 358    
26 Jun 2010  #18
It's not me that took a considerable sum of money from an internet forum

Wow. Never accept a gift from the devil PLK. Apparently there are "strings attached"

they really have no concept of just what influence they have.

I suppose thats true enough. I personally want Poles to have what they want. Whether its aligning with us, Russia, the EU, or none of the above. Doesn't matter to me, I trust the poles to do whats right for them. It would be nice to see that courtesy reciprocated by the Europeans.

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one of them was so badly informed that he thought Poland joined the EU during the Tusk government!

Eurozone country. Once you take money from them you are in. Its like Europeans pretending that their countries are still sovereign. Very amusing to us Yanks :)

WHY do they do such a terrible job of teaching the language to their children?

Why would we bother teaching a dying tribal language when English, Spanish, and Mandarin are the languages that matter? Its enough to suffer the insufferable scrutiny of you snobs when we do try to.

I suspect that idealogical differences are the real cause of the venom here. Thats fine, We have pretty thick skin and tommorrow is a new day.
Pinching Pete - | 560    
26 Jun 2010  #19
I hope she doesn't go because she will give our money to Poland again.

It's better than giving it to Haiti and some clown's Swiss bank account.
delphiandomine 86 | 17,369    
  27 Jun 2010  #20
Its like Europeans pretending that their countries are still sovereign. Very amusing to us Yanks :)

Actually - contrary to what most Americans think, the Lisbon Treaty formally set out the conditions for EU withdrawal for the first time. Of course - any country that wishes to withdraw could simply repeal the act of parliament which allowed EU accession in the first place - therefore, they still are sovereign.

Of course, there's the whole other argument about no country really being sovereign these days, but ;)

Why would we bother teaching a dying tribal language when English, Spanish, and Mandarin are the languages that matter? Its enough to suffer the insufferable scrutiny of you snobs when we do try to.

Dying? I wouldn't call a language spoken by over 40 million people "dying" - a language which also provides a gateway into other languages!
Tymoteusz 2 | 358    
27 Jun 2010  #21
a language which also provides a gateway into other languages!

fair enough. I retract parts of my statement.
Sokrates 8 | 3,348    
  27 Jun 2010  #22
I think they also see a very narrow view of things - for instance, Kaczynski criticises Russia and they're all "yaaay!"

The point of the point is that they dont live in Poland, they're anti-communist, anti-Russian and rabidly patriotic, while patriotism is commendable all of this is coupled with total ignorance as to whats happening in Poland so they always support whoever they see as the current anti-Russian hawk.

The strange thing for me - and this applies to the Polonia everywhere - WHY do they do such a terrible job of teaching the language to their children? I know several British and Australian 2nd generation Polonia who don't speak Polish.

Thats actually not true, by and large Polish language is alive and kicking, some parts of my family moved to US from UK post WW2 but there's one branch thats living in NY since the first partition, thats almost 150 years and all of them speak fluent Polish.

Polish-Americans will gain the american accent to them since american engrish (not English) is what they use but in general Poles in US stick together, are medium to well off and keep the spark alive.

I'm neck deep into Polonia organisations in US, the Poles who'd drop their roots are a very small margin, most of them become lot more Polish then Poles here, i know of a grand total of three cases where Polish girls would marry a guy only if he agreed that a kid have a Polish name and learn the language, one case where a Polish man divorced an Asian-American because she was teaching their kid Catholicism is bad.

They're politically stupid but then again USA is generally a moronic country so Polonia aquired this trait, after all its their home, by and large Polonia everywhere except UK is a testament to the positive traits of our people.

Dying? I wouldn't call a language spoken by over 40 million people "dying"!

60 milion.

fair enough. I retract parts of my statement.

You're still an idiot though, Poland had universities when Americans were living in log cabins and wiping with hands, your hillbilly nation is likely to not even exist if our commanders such as Pułaski and Kościuszko didnt teach your village militias how to wage a regular war so calling Poland "tribals" is a bit out of place, no?
Tymoteusz 2 | 358    
  27 Jun 2010  #23
You're still an idiot though, Poland had universities when Americans were living in log cabins and wiping with hands, your hillbilly nation is likely to not even exist if our commanders such as Pułaski and Kościuszko didnt teach your village militias how to wage a regular war so calling Poland "tribals" is a bit out of place, no?

Ad-Hominem attacks always let me know when I'm winning an arguement. :) Yes, Poland is wonderful. Actually, since "Poland" has only existed on and off as a autonomous nation when your neighbors allowed. You have been by definition a tribal group. Thanks for making me rethink that. I actually find that quite respectable. Its unfortunate that your best military minds usually decide to leave before trouble starts.

60 milion

Yes, thriving. .0087% of the worlds population.

calling Poland "tribals" is a bit out of place, no?

I was calling the language a tribal remnant.

Pułaski and Kościuszko

I've been to Savannah and Tybee.
Pinching Pete - | 560    
  27 Jun 2010  #24
USA is generally a moronic country

LMAO.. Yeah okay dude.. look at you.. and look at us. You'd still waiting in line for toilet paper on a cold Saturday afternoon if it wasn't for the EU. Point is ... you need help most of the time.. We usually GIVE help most of the time. See the difference? Who do think enforces NATO most of the time?

Is the US in decline a little, are there plent of fools here.. most certainly.. but in general we're fighting to keep people out of here most of the time. MILLIONS STILL WANT TO MOVE HERE? Understand? Strange predicament for morons, no??

You are a sad f#cking clown.. plain and simple.
Sokrates 8 | 3,348    
  27 Jun 2010  #25
Yes, Poland is wonderful.

For me it is but then again i'm a patriot but it has its faults, none of them is being "tribal" though.

Actually, since "Poland" has only existed on and off as a autonomous nation when your neighbors allowed.

See? Thats why i claim Americans are morons, if you werent a little uneducated chimp who by some quirk of evolution aquired the power of coherent english you'd know that for 700 years out of 1000 years of its existence Poland was a major power in Europe and everyone who had a problem with it got their arse kicked.

The only time when Polands existence depended on foreign powers was post WW2 when all of Eastern and central Europe depended on the whims of Uncle Joe.

Its unfortunate that your best military minds usually decide to leave before trouble starts.

Do you mean Pułaski who thought you hillbillies how to use cavalry, Kościuszko who thought you hillbillies how to use combat engineers and built West Point?

Wait you must mean the Poles who saved Europe at Vienna from the Turks or Polish commanders who saved Western Europe from the Soviets in 1920?

Y'know in our 1000 years of history we've had so many outstanding military minds i can't decide who did you have in mind, unlike US which never had a single great generals and its merely decent commanders can be counted on both hands :))))))

Yes, thriving. .0087% of the worlds population.

Yes thriving ethnic 60 milion Poles while how many ethnic Americans are there? Oh right 0 :))))

I've been to Savannah and Tybee.

They're just two iconic guys out of a lot more, i'm just using them since even you must've heard something.

We've organised your cavalry, your artillery, your fortifications, we thought you european drills and engineering even West Point was built by a Pole so calling people who contributed so heavily to the foundation of the United States, tribals makes America what?
Tymoteusz 2 | 358    
27 Jun 2010  #26
Tribal is really a compliment in the context of what I said. You're being a Hillbilly.

how many ethnic Americans are there?

1 for sure. I have a card in my pocket that explains the two nations that I belong to. Hillbilly. Oh, America is two continents. There is a North one and a South one.

This is fun.
Sokrates 8 | 3,348    
27 Jun 2010  #27
Tribal is really a compliment in the context of what I said. You're being a Hillbilly.

Just trying to bait you, kudos for not swallowing the hook:)

1 for sure. I have a card in my pocket that explains the two nations that I belong to. Hillbilly. Oh, America is two continents. There is a North one and a South one.

Last i checked there's no such thing as an american nation, a conglomerate of people if anything.
MareGaea 29 | 2,762    
27 Jun 2010  #28
I know a lot about Polonia since 21 members of my family live there and my uncle is the president of the second largest polonia association in NY and 8th largest such association in USA

What do they do? Get together every month, dance around a tree and drink Polish beer while listening to polka music?

>^..^<

M-G (aren't all of those groups merely folkloristic thingies?)
Sokrates 8 | 3,348    
  27 Jun 2010  #29
What do they do? Get together every month, dance around a tree and drink Polish beer while listening to polka music?

They rent buildings for the cheapest possible price to the Polish schools due to being in the city council, but then again NY council this time its Greenfield (Zielonka) and Koslowits (Kozłowicka), Greenfield is my distant aunts second uncle so we're not directly related but family is family:)

Poles have been in NY city council continously for the past 100 years y'know while Dutch were busy beating up Jews and selling soap in the docks market :)))))

M-G (aren't all of those groups merely folkloristic thingies?)

Political, social, historical, you get Polish schools, bars, historic and literature associations, re-enactment groups, political factions etc.

Its all dedicated to Poles preserving their heritage and having some political leverage, for example no mayor of New York or Chicago would ever dream of f*cking with the polish minority since its a political suicide.
Tymoteusz 2 | 358    
  27 Jun 2010  #30
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Smelling blood in the water, In walks the opportunistic Dutch progressive!


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