The BEST Guide to POLAND
Unanswered  |  Archives 
 
 
User: Guest

Home / News  % width posts: 1,016

GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!


Matyjasz 2 | 1,544
9 Nov 2008 #301
So from what document is this quote taken from?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #302
From his works which made them so famous...it's his signature!

The Copernicus manuscript book states: [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)

If he had felt/been polish he would then now at last told it, don't you think?
Piorun - | 658
9 Nov 2008 #303
The Copernicus manuscript book states

NICOLAI COPERNICI TORINENSIS

TORINENSIS = Toruńczyk (from Toruń)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #304
Even then...this town was called Torn and was officially German just a few years back before his birth. The town may have changed hands, the citizens not!

He made his nationality quite clear:

The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)

Show me where he writes "polish" or "polski" or something like that and you can convince me!
shopgirl 6 | 928
9 Nov 2008 #305
What about Marie Curie?
Was she French or Polish?

Marie Skłodowska–Curie (7 November 1867 – 4 July 1934) was a physicist and chemist of Polish upbringing and, subsequently, French citizenship. She was a pioneer in the field of radioactivity, the only person honored with Nobel Prizes in two different sciences, and the first female professor at the University of Paris.

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #306
Hmm...as your quote states "Polish upbringing" and even her name sounds Polish I would say she was a Pole...
shopgirl 6 | 928
9 Nov 2008 #307
Ahhh! But she became (of her own free will) a French citizen!
Doesn't that make her French according to the rules some of our Poles are following as with Copernicus?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #308
She had her reasons to choose Paris for working...but I don't think that made her French once she crossed the border!
Education and heritage aren't interchangeable with passports...Or else the family of Copernicus really would had become full Poles once the town Torn changed hands.
shopgirl 6 | 928
9 Nov 2008 #309
That's nice sentiment sweetie, and I agree with you, but I wanted to see what the Poles would say. (I would think they would rather claim a twice Nobel winner to Copernicus, but we shall see!)
Prince 15 | 590
9 Nov 2008 #310
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

She was born Maria Skłodowska in Warsaw, Vistula Country, Russian Empire, and lived there until she was 24. In 1891 she followed her elder sister Bronisława to study in Paris

Marie Skłodowska-Curie (7 November 1867 - 4 July 1934) was a physicist and chemist of Polish upbringing and, subsequently, French citizenship. She was a pioneer in the field of radioactivity, the only person honored with Nobel Prizes in two different sciences, and the first female professor at the University of Paris.

There was no Poland when she was living in France. Poland was under occupation she supported Polish independence.

She named the first new chemical element that she discovered (1898) "polonium" for her native country, and in 1932 she founded a Radium Institute (now the Maria Skłodowska-Curie Institute of Oncology) in her home town Warsaw, headed by her physician-sister Bronisława.

Kopernik was writing that he is from Toruń not the "German"

Language:

In Poland we were using Latin and German language in writing. In Kopernik's times Polish language has been created.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikołaj_Rej

"A niechaj narodowie wżdy postronni znają,
iż Polacy nie gęsi, iż swój język mają."

("Let it by all and sundry foreign nations be known
that Poles speak not Anserine but a tongue of their own.")

Mikołaj Rej (February 4, 1505 - between September 8 and October 5, 1569 (...) He is considered, along with Biernat of Lublin and Jan Kochanowski, to be one of the founders of Polish literary language and literature.

Kopernik couldn't write in Polish - it was impossible. He was using languages all Poles were using in writing.

Only Polish versions exist in reality.

mapa/kompletny/kopernik.html

What is important in places connected with his family history (his father was form Kraków).
He was using Latin version (in documents). When we look on fact that in modern times people use Polish version of this name ... and they live mostly in Poland... in places strongly connected with his history ...

What is more Skłodowska - Cure was supporting Polands independence like Mikołaj Kopernik who was loyal soldier in Polish army and he has been fighting against country considered to be "German".

In my opinion using of German version of his name is very wrong because you can't find Germans or Poles with such name. You can find people with name Kopernik or his Latin name in most documents.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #311
Kopernik couldn't write in Polish - it was impossible. He was using languages all Poles were using in writing.

It was impossible for him as he probably never learned the language.
But he could had described himself as Pole in latin very well...but he didn't!
But he did write that:

The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)

In my opinion using of German version of his name is very wrong because you can't find Germans or Poles with such name. You can find people with name Kopernik or his latin name in most documents.

And I repeat again...it was custom at that time to latinize your surname to show your belonging to the "intelligentsia"
Kopernikus is the latinized form of Kopperlingk...so it doesn't matter one yota if you find others called Kopernik!
shopgirl 6 | 928
9 Nov 2008 #312
I know Copernicus as "Copernicus" not as Kopernic or any other version, Polish or German.

I know Marie Curie as "Marie Curie" nor as Marie Skłodowska. If you were talking about Skłodowska, I would not recognize that name.
Prince 15 | 590
9 Nov 2008 #313
It was impossible for him as he probably never learned the language.

Especialy when he was studing in Kraków or serving in Polish army and his father was from Kraków and people with his name live in Kraków. This name is Kopernik.

But he did write that:

He was writting that Torinensis = from Toruń:
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #314
I know Copernicus as "Copernicus" not as Kopernic or any other version, Polish or German.

"Copernicus" is the anglicized form of the latin "Kopernikus"("C" instead of "K"), whereas the Poles call him "Kopernik"...

He was writing that Torinensis = from Toruń

Yes, and he was right about that but where does he write that he is Polish???
My family stems from Silesia, Liegnitz, Breslau etc...didn't made them Polish!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
9 Nov 2008 #315
If you were talking about Skłodowska, I would not recognize that name.

So ?
Prince 15 | 590
9 Nov 2008 #316
"Copernicus" is the anglicized form of the latin "Kopernikus"

It is his Latin name not anglicized version of German name ...

Example (Polish king born in Kraków):

podpis
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #317
*yawn*
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DFS_Kopernikus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMES
:)
Piorun - | 658
9 Nov 2008 #318
Bratwurst Boy You’re still at it, give it a rest will you.

Bratwurst Boy Is your obsession with claiming Copernicus as a German stems from the fact that he refuted the calculations of Joannes Werner, an astronomer of Nuremberg, regarding the “Motion of the Eight Sphere”?

Have you ever read his biography? What do you know about the man? Well at the outbreak of war between Poland and the Teutonic Knights Copernicus is part of the Polish embassy to the Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights requesting restoration of Braniewo, captured by the Teutonic Knights. When he was a commissioner for Warmia he was given a task of negotiating for the Warmian territories seized by the Teutonic Knights. He was appointed inspector of arms and defenses in the fortress of Frombork as well as supervisor of wills. It’s Copernicus that drew up a map of Warmia and the western borders of Royal Prussia for the Poznan convention. He assisted Bernard Wapowski the King’s Secretary, with mapping the Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania. His uncle, the Bishop of Warmia although a Watzenrode had a fine German name like £ukasz. Many people in Poland have German surname. Copernicus and the other members of the Chapter of Frombork vowed allegiance to the Polish King Zygmunt I and proved himself loyal to the Polish Crown. Action speak louder than words, where in your sick little mind did you get the idea that he considered himself to be German?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #319
Bratwurst Boy You're still at it, give it a rest will you.

He...you are funny!
It's not me keeping this thread alive! Whenever one of you keeps up with the stubborn notion that Kopernikus was a full blooded Pole I will post the evidence to the contrary...you better stop or we will do the dance still next summer! :):):)

Action speak louder than words, where in your sick little mind did you get the idea that he considered himself to be German?

*snicker* Truth hurts, doesn' it!

The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)

LOL :)

Oh and tell me since when political leanings decide about heritage and ethnical belonging...should be really interesting! ROFL :):):)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
9 Nov 2008 #320
Greg is priceless, SO funny. BB, r u Silesian or pure German?
Prince 15 | 590
9 Nov 2008 #321
Piorun

He knows that he is wrong ... leave him with his false statemnts...
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #322
BB, r u Silesian or pure German?

German!

leave him with his false statements...

Yeah, f'uck Copernicus...how dared he to call him self "German mathematician"!!!

The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, inPrussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)

God...maybe it's a polish thing to so absolutely deny and ignore facts! :):):)
(Not a good foundation for a scientist btw...)
Prince 15 | 590
9 Nov 2008 #323
It is false. Find me document with this signature.

FROM TORUŃ !!! :)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #324
Well he was from Thorn...do you see anybody denying that? What's your problem boy? To thick a head?
Millions of Germans lived for centuries in what became Poland after the wars...boundaries shifted, ethnics didn't.
Or the Polish ethnie should had stopped existing during the partitions! You know millions of Poles becoming Germans or Russians, right? Following your
logic nobody should have wanted independence or an own polish state as they became immediately all happy Germans and happy Russians...

And what about that???

The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)

He described himself as
PRUSSIAN GERMAN MATHEMATICIAN
Explain this if he was such a passionate Pole...:)
He lived under the polish crown, nobody forced him
to call himself german! :):):)

His uncle, the Bishop of Warmia although a Watzenrode had a fine German name like £ukasz.

Nope

Watzenrode was born in Thorn (Toruń) as the son of the trader Lucas Watzenrode the Elder (1400-1462). He studied at the universities of Kraków, Cologne, and Bologna.

When both his sister Barbara Koppernigk and her husband Nicolas had died around 1483, Lucas took care of their four children, Katharina, Barbara, Andreas and Nicolaus, who would become known as the astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Watzenrode_the_Younger

...nothing Polish about them! :)
Piorun - | 658
9 Nov 2008 #325
nobody forced him
to call himself German! :):):)

See that's the difference between us Poles and you Germans.

Lucas Watzenrode

That's because you can't spell in Polish or pronounce it.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #326
See that's the difference between us Poles and you Germans.

That Poles want to stay Poles and Germans want to stay Germans?
Where is the difference?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
9 Nov 2008 #327
I feel bad 4 u BB. U fly the flag alone for Deutschland.

There does seem to be a lot of evidence for the case that he was German.
Prince 15 | 590
9 Nov 2008 #328
That Poles want to stay Poles and Germans want to stay Germans? Where is the difference?

Post me picture where with document where Kopernik has name you mention. Find me Germans with such name... YOU CAN'T

WE CAN FIND PEOPLE ONLY WITH POLISH VERISON OF HIS NAME ... IN PLACES WHERE HIS FAMILY HAS BEEN WORKING ...WHAT IS MORE THEY WERE LOYAL POLISH CITIZENS.

I SHOW DOCUMENTS I SHOW FACTS.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,810
9 Nov 2008 #329
I feel bad 4 u BB. U fly the flag alone for Deutschland.

Facts stay facts....I don't have to invent anything...'s not so bad! :)
Piorun - | 658
9 Nov 2008 #330
U fly the flag alone for Deutschland.

When I see Kopernik and BB flying the German flag in the same picture we will talk, until then.
Have you missed the word forced there BB?

Home / News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!
BoldItalic [quote]
 
To post as Guest, enter a temporary username or login and post as a member.