GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE!

So from what document is this quote taken from?

From his works which made them so famous...it's his signature!


If he had felt/been polish he would then now at last told it, don't you think?

NICOLAI COPERNICI TORINENSIS

TORINENSIS = Toruńczyk (from Toruń)

Even then...this town was called Torn and was officially German just a few years back before his birth. The town may have changed hands, the citizens not!

He made his nationality quite clear:


Show me where he writes "polish" or "polski" or something like that and you can convince me!

What about Marie Curie?
Was she French or Polish?

Hmm...as your quote states "Polish upbringing" and even her name sounds Polish I would say she was a Pole...

Ahhh! But she became (of her own free will) a French citizen!
Doesn't that make her French according to the rules some of our Poles are following as with Copernicus?

She had her reasons to choose Paris for working...but I don't think that made her French once she crossed the border!
Education and heritage aren't interchangeable with passports...Or else the family of Copernicus really would had become full Poles once the town Torn changed hands.

That's nice sentiment sweetie, and I agree with you, but I wanted to see what the Poles would say. (I would think they would rather claim a twice Nobel winner to Copernicus, but we shall see!)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie



There was no Poland when she was living in France. Poland was under occupation she supported Polish independence.


Kopernik was writing that he is from Toruń not the "German"

Language:

In Poland we were using Latin and German language in writing. In Kopernik's times Polish language has been created.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikołaj_Rej



Kopernik couldn't write in Polish - it was impossible. He was using languages all Poles were using in writing.

Only Polish versions exist in reality.

mapa/kompletny/kopernik.html

What is important in places connected with his family history (his father was form Kraków).
He was using Latin version (in documents). When we look on fact that in modern times people use Polish version of this name ... and they live mostly in Poland... in places strongly connected with his history ...

What is more Skłodowska - Cure was supporting Polands independence like Mikołaj Kopernik who was loyal soldier in Polish army and he has been fighting against country considered to be "German".

In my opinion using of German version of his name is very wrong because you can't find Germans or Poles with such name. You can find people with name Kopernik or his Latin name in most documents.

It was impossible for him as he probably never learned the language.
But he could had described himself as Pole in latin very well...but he didn't!
But he did write that:



And I repeat again...it was custom at that time to latinize your surname to show your belonging to the "intelligentsia"
Kopernikus is the latinized form of Kopperlingk...so it doesn't matter one yota if you find others called Kopernik!

I know Copernicus as "Copernicus" not as Kopernic or any other version, Polish or German.

I know Marie Curie as "Marie Curie" nor as Marie Skłodowska. If you were talking about Skłodowska, I would not recognize that name.

Especialy when he was studing in Kraków or serving in Polish army and his father was from Kraków and people with his name live in Kraków. This name is Kopernik.


He was writting that Torinensis = from Toruń:

"Copernicus" is the anglicized form of the latin "Kopernikus"("C" instead of "K"), whereas the Poles call him "Kopernik"...


Yes, and he was right about that but where does he write that he is Polish???
My family stems from Silesia, Liegnitz, Breslau etc...didn't made them Polish!

So ?

It is his Latin name not anglicized version of German name ...

Example (Polish king born in Kraków):

*yawn*
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DFS_Kopernikus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMES
:)

Bratwurst Boy You’re still at it, give it a rest will you.

Bratwurst Boy Is your obsession with claiming Copernicus as a German stems from the fact that he refuted the calculations of Joannes Werner, an astronomer of Nuremberg, regarding the “Motion of the Eight Sphere”?

Have you ever read his biography? What do you know about the man? Well at the outbreak of war between Poland and the Teutonic Knights Copernicus is part of the Polish embassy to the Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights requesting restoration of Braniewo, captured by the Teutonic Knights. When he was a commissioner for Warmia he was given a task of negotiating for the Warmian territories seized by the Teutonic Knights. He was appointed inspector of arms and defenses in the fortress of Frombork as well as supervisor of wills. It’s Copernicus that drew up a map of Warmia and the western borders of Royal Prussia for the Poznan convention. He assisted Bernard Wapowski the King’s Secretary, with mapping the Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania. His uncle, the Bishop of Warmia although a Watzenrode had a fine German name like £ukasz. Many people in Poland have German surname. Copernicus and the other members of the Chapter of Frombork vowed allegiance to the Polish King Zygmunt I and proved himself loyal to the Polish Crown. Action speak louder than words, where in your sick little mind did you get the idea that he considered himself to be German?

He...you are funny!
It's not me keeping this thread alive! Whenever one of you keeps up with the stubborn notion that Kopernikus was a full blooded Pole I will post the evidence to the contrary...you better stop or we will do the dance still next summer! :):):)


*snicker* Truth hurts, doesn' it!


LOL :)

Oh and tell me since when political leanings decide about heritage and ethnical belonging...should be really interesting! ROFL :):):)

Greg is priceless, SO funny. BB, r u Silesian or pure German?

He knows that he is wrong ... leave him with his false statemnts...

German!


Yeah, f'uck Copernicus...how dared he to call him self "German mathematician"!!!


God...maybe it's a polish thing to so absolutely deny and ignore facts! :):):)
(Not a good foundation for a scientist btw...)

It is false. Find me document with this signature.

FROM TORUŃ !!! :)

Well he was from Thorn...do you see anybody denying that? What's your problem boy? To thick a head?
Millions of Germans lived for centuries in what became Poland after the wars...boundaries shifted, ethnics didn't.
Or the Polish ethnie should had stopped existing during the partitions! You know millions of Poles becoming Germans or Russians, right? Following your
logic nobody should have wanted independence or an own polish state as they became immediately all happy Germans and happy Russians...

And what about that???


He described himself as
PRUSSIAN GERMAN MATHEMATICIAN
Explain this if he was such a passionate Pole...:)
He lived under the polish crown, nobody forced him
to call himself german! :):):)


Nope


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Watzenrode_the_Younger

...nothing Polish about them! :)

See that's the difference between us Poles and you Germans.


That's because you can't spell in Polish or pronounce it.

That Poles want to stay Poles and Germans want to stay Germans?
Where is the difference?

I feel bad 4 u BB. U fly the flag alone for Deutschland.

There does seem to be a lot of evidence for the case that he was German.

Post me picture where with document where Kopernik has name you mention. Find me Germans with such name... YOU CAN'T

WE CAN FIND PEOPLE ONLY WITH POLISH VERISON OF HIS NAME ... IN PLACES WHERE HIS FAMILY HAS BEEN WORKING ...WHAT IS MORE THEY WERE LOYAL POLISH CITIZENS.

I SHOW DOCUMENTS I SHOW FACTS.

Facts stay facts....I don't have to invent anything...'s not so bad! :)

When I see Kopernik and BB flying the German flag in the same picture we will talk, until then.
Have you missed the word forced there BB?