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German legal discrimination against Polish speakers


Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
28 Oct 2018  #181
Maybe just maybe your gov looked the other way for reasons of their own and only when the S hit a fan, they play this three wise monkey game.

Yeah, they did...and boy came that back to bite them in the ass.

The Eurozone should never had put in politicians hands who believed Greece NEEDED to be part of it because of their historic importance as "birthplace" of Europe and such.

Economists would never allowed Greece in, they wouldn't had fallen for that book cooking...

The Eurozone still is sick because of that!
Ironside 47 | 9,123    
28 Oct 2018  #182
What about that?

what about what? read the links you posted - ec.europa.ec, what do you expect the truth? like soviets would post data how many people they killed and how impoverishing their economic policy make their won people? Really? I excepted more out of you as you remember DDR. Yet, you are OK, so it must be great - right? They bought you with your shoes and helmet.

Don't be sad - most people are like that - easy.

lesser members" to join the EU? They all knew what they signed up for.

That is actually not true.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  28 Oct 2018  #183
what about what? read the links you posted - ec.europa.ec, what do you expect the truth?

Okay....then what about that?

British taxpayers risk losing up to £100 million in the European Union's biggest funding scandal after Polish road-building projects worth over £770m were discovered to be caught up in a price fixing racket.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/9840084/British-taxpayers-set-to-lose-100m-after-record-Poland-EU-funding-scandal.html

For you acceptable proof because for this fraud scandal to take place it needed EU road building funds in Poland in the first place?

European Commission officials have moved to immediately suspend additional Polish funding worth £3 billion for road infrastructure in order "to protect the EU budget and EU taxpayers from a case of suspected fraud".

...The scandal is a disaster for Poland, which was has received over £50 billion in EU regional funds over the last seven years while, until now, avoiding the whiff fraud and corruption that has often surrounded the spending of Brussels cash in southern Europe.

The investigation is now focused on three specific road and highway construction projects worth 900 million euros (£773m), a new funding scandal record for the EU.
Spike31 1 | 438    
28 Oct 2018  #184
Who forced these "lesser members" to join the EU? They all knew what they signed up for.

The rules were changed in the middle of the game
cms neuf - | 533    
28 Oct 2018  #185
What ? When they were all members and had veto power over any changes ?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,047    
  28 Oct 2018  #186
The rules were changed in the middle of the game

No, they were not. New treaties have been signed, but no, they did not amount to a change in basic rules.

In Poland, the majority of people, including Our Great Leader Chairman Jarosław Kaczyński, still support the idea of Poland's presence in the EU.

What is more to it, Chairman Kaczyński explicitly supports the idea of Angela Merkel in the post of Bundeskanzlerin and says it is the best available option for Poland.
Spike31 1 | 438    
  28 Oct 2018  #187
Of course she is the best option for us. Nobody else has weakened Germany and their voice in Europe so much as she did since 2015. And weaker Germany = stronger Poland (it's a zero sum game I'm afraid, it always was). She also helped to consolidate the V4 and also to move Three Seas Initiative forward. For that she needs to be rewarder with at least a medal of merit from our government when she retires. I'm not even kidding
Ironside 47 | 9,123    
28 Oct 2018  #188
New treaties have been signed, but no, they did not amount to a change in basic rules.

No, they signed new treaties for the hell of it. I know you are shuffling meaningless papers two hours a day (the rest of your six hour working day is a coffee, cakes and playing candy crush on the internet) 99% of which could be brined and that wouldn't make a slightest difference in people's lives, hell it would make their life easer. but make no mistake, bankers do support new treaties and legations in the EU for a reason or rather a lots of $.

.then what about that?

That is a problem created by EU. Now they want to fight it. In fact all those issues arise while PO ( butt buddies of junkier, Merkel and others progressives in charge) ruled in Poland. Now, gov that stopped that for the most part but is not cheek to cheek with those whackos and German dictate is gonna be held hostage for all this. Hey you have Tusk he is the main cuprite - take his money ways and put him behind the bars.

No? Hypocrisy and guano that all it is.

Anyhoo, my take on this all goes beyond all those squabbles that have been produced by the corrupt and inefficient EU/German bureaucracy.

I say, f them and their money, Poland just should pay into EU nothing as a response.
OP mafketis 16 | 6,247    
28 Oct 2018  #189
Economists would never allowed Greece in, they wouldn't had fallen for that book cooking...

They didn't fall for it, they _knew_ they were lying but they wanted that big roll out so they ignored it. I knew Greece was lying (and recall many saying as such at the time) but these economic geniuses were fooled? I'm not buying it. They knew and they didn't care.
TheOther 5 | 3,521    
  28 Oct 2018  #190
No, they signed new treaties for the hell of it.

You remember who pushed for the accession of most of the former COMECON countries, do you? Poodle Blair of the United Kingdom. He was also the first one who allowed cheap workers from eastern Europe to flood the British labor market. Poland profited a lot from this move. Now the Brits have changed their mind and proclaim that - amongst other things - immigration is bad and that all the Europeans (and other foreigners) in the country take away British jobs. Hence BREXIT.

Biggest mistake that the EU ever made was to let too many poor countries in too quickly. That's what ultimately destabilized the union. That and the introduction of the Euro.

I say, f them and their money, Poland just should pay into EU nothing as a response

The strange thing is that the anti EU crowd never comes up with a proper alternative that could work. What's your proposition?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  28 Oct 2018  #191
Biggest mistake that the EU ever made was to let too many poor countries in too quickly.

They had a dream...it was naive, yes but you can't really fault them for having such a dream of a peaceful, unified Europe after the catastrophe of WWII and the decades long split in two ideological hostile blocs with the main battle line across the continent.
Tacitus 2 | 692    
28 Oct 2018  #192
They also hoped that the membership in the EU would help the economy of those new countries, thereby adding legitimacy to their developing democracies. Which was not an unfounded hope.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  28 Oct 2018  #193
An ongoing marshall plan aka EU funds....

ec.europa.eu/energy/en/funding-and-contracts

...Cohesion Fund

The EU's €63.4 billion Cohesion Fund aims to reduce economic and social disparity between EU countries and promote sustainable development.

I very much doubt any EU hater has an alternative to that ongoing financial help for developing new members. Even as they speak of their own, new possible unions (3 Seas or Visegrad or whatever) never is there a chapter about real help as such even mentioned.
undercover    
28 Oct 2018  #194
Biggest mistake that the EU ever made was to let too many poor countries in too quickly. That's what ultimately destabilized the union.

"The union" will either start adopting to normality or will get destroyed.
Ironside 47 | 9,123    
28 Oct 2018  #195
They also hoped that the membership in the EU would help the economy of those new countries, thereby adding legitimacy

They hoped to exploit new defenseless markets close to them geographically. Yes, they granted legitimacy to post-commie oligarchy in exchange for a free pass to foreign capital and firm to exploit those countries as their new semi-colonies.

You remember who pushed for the accession

Dude, you talk as if that accession has happed with a snap of the fingers. Those countries had to follow all kind of pre-accession era, adopting tailor made for them by the EU new laws and what more important they agreed to open their markets and economies to strong world players from the west. It wasn't much of the competition, let me tell you.

So, people started to see it for what is was. If they wouldn't accept Poland then and there, it wouldn't happened at all, because the tide would have changed.

Poland profited a lot from this move. Now the Brits have changed their mind and proclaim that - amongst other things -

1.I fail to see how Poland profited?
2. Well, you exaggerate(by the way it was a first 'difficult' English word I have learned and still remember it sounded really exotic and mysterious to me lol)!

I would say that an immigration issue swayed/carried the vote for Brexitees but it wasn't at all the only reason as you made it to be.
OP mafketis 16 | 6,247    
28 Oct 2018  #196
.I fail to see how Poland profited?

Cause you don't live here and see the physical effects in every direction....

EU funds have made massive improvements to infrastructure in ways big and small. You might not think it's worth it but it's a real contribution that has made life here more pleasant (though I suppose you're against life being more pleasant....)

The EU has lots of flaws (and they may end up bringing it down) but it also is responsible for lots of good things.
Spike31 1 | 438    
  28 Oct 2018  #197
They also hoped that the membership in the EU would help the economy of those new countries, thereby adding legitimacy to their developing democracies.

Did Poland made any undemocratic choices that we should be aware of? Name one. I can name at least one action when the EU broke all democratic rules and forced Ireland to vote twice for the Lisbon Treaty (until the EU has achieved satisfying results that is) in 2008 on the same matter.

The EU tactics: Vote as we tell you or else...

telegraph.co.uk/comment/3707704/Undemocratic-EU-bullies-Ireland-into-another-vote.html
Tacitus 2 | 692    
  28 Oct 2018  #198
I can name at least one action when the EU broke all democratic rules

Just another example how the Brexiteer press twisted the truth for their agenda. The Irish people were asked to vote after the EU adressed the concerns that made the people reject the first version, and the Irish people approved it. Nothing undemocratic here.

But of course the Brexiteer press leaves out that part... .
Spike31 1 | 438    
29 Oct 2018  #199
Just another example how the Brexiteer press twisted the truth for their agenda

Yes, if not for those rebellious Brits, indecisive Irishmen, unruly Poles and Hungarians (and also Romanians), lazy Greeks, irritating euro-sinking Italians and back-stabbing right-wing Austrians the EU would be a heaven. Why wouldn't they just listen to Germany and accept their political and moral leadership in Europe? :-P

It's good that you're in friendly relations with the marshal of peace Vladimir Putin and a model democrat Recep Erdogan. The future is bright...


Tacitus 2 | 692    
29 Oct 2018  #200
If nothing else, that pictures offers some measure of hope for the Syrians.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,047    
29 Oct 2018  #201
I know you are shuffling meaningless papers two hours a day (the rest of your six hour working day is a coffee, cakes and playing candy crush on the internet)

And I know you love to write meaningles, but quite lenghy Bolshevik-style manifestos against Poland's membership in the EU that fulfill your dreams of a petty chauvinistic Polish nationalist who has been choosing to live outside Poland for many many years.

friendly relations with the marshal of peace Vladimir Putin and a model democrat Recep Erdogan.

Agreed, the photo you've posted isn't very much convincing for Merkel or Macron as political leaders in the democratic world. But diplomacy has its obligations and you just cannot say: I don't like you, so go away, I don't want to have a picture with you. Besides, both Merkel and Erdogan do not look especially happy on that photo.
Tacitus 2 | 692    
29 Oct 2018  #202
Perhaps someone could tell me what is so problematic about this picture? France and Germany are working on a solution for Syria that will stop the bloodshed and end the flow of Syrians to Europe, two goals I believe everyone can agree on. And for that to happen, they need to talk with the countries that have influence in Syria, and those are unfortunately Turkey and Russia.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
  29 Oct 2018  #203
I wonder, does Germany have to be the peace-broker?

I just don't think we are very good at it...there is pragmatic Merkel between two violent alpha males who measure their d*ick size on the scale of their armies.

And she has to counter that with what? Her brain? Her empathy for the killed people? Her wish to stop that bloodshed? What use is that? They don't care anyhow...
dolnoslask 5 | 2,043    
29 Oct 2018  #204
And she has to counter that with what? Her brain?

Yes and 3bn euro funding that Turkey won't get unless they listen to Angela, basically her wedge of cash is bigger than their d*cks.

ft.com/content/1e9aeb34-0100-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

Never underestimate the power of Germany.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,105    
29 Oct 2018  #205
basically her wedge of cash is bigger than their d*cks.

Heh:)

Maybe that's the reason they agreed to talk at least....

Never underestimate the power of Germany.

But it's a soft power...very soft...quite squishy....
dolnoslask 5 | 2,043    
29 Oct 2018  #206
Just happens to be the strongest economy this side of the pond, never underestimate the power behind the squishy chat.
Spike31 1 | 438    
  10 Jan 2019  #207
Jugendamt is known for their hostile policies against Polish families in present day Germany.

"The group [of Polish mothers] said that the agency is "intentionally hindering them from contacting their children", and is even "taking children" with little or no legal basis."

They're simply following a long German tradition of stealing Polish children which was initiated during WWII.

"It involved taking children regarded as "Aryan-looking" from the rest of Europe and moving them to Nazi Germany for the purpose of Germanization, or indoctrination into becoming culturally German.

At more than 200,000 victims, occupied Poland had the largest proportion of children taken. An estimated 400,000 children were abducted throughout Europe."


/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
10 Jan 2019  #208
and moving them to Nazi Germany for the purpose of Germanization

I am going to be a minority voice now and will probably upset some of you here, but I am seriously annoyed by the use of the word 'Nazi" as an adjective next to "Germany" to mean the whole Germany. Does anybody ever say that it was the Democrat United States that dropped the nukes on Japan, as wonderful as it was?

A "Nazi" as a noun is a member of the NAZI party. To use this word in plural as a blanket replacement for "Germans" is factually incorrect and transparent as to the intent. For example: Nazi army attacked Poland in 1939... No, it was a German army that did it.

The most guilty of this deliberate lie are the recent British documentaries dealing with all things WW2. Why the Brits do it is not clear to me. It could be either - to make the contemporary Germans feel better or worse. Still, it's a distortion.
Tacitus 2 | 692    
10 Jan 2019  #209
Just another, probably baseless accussation against an institution that takes its duty to protect children seriously. Knowing how high the legal hurdles for taking a child into custody are, it would be interesting to know why they were taken.

Some of them went to a home where they were raised by a pair of homosexual women

What horror!
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,718    
10 Jan 2019  #210
What horror!

No, that's not a horror since women are never actually homosexual. They just want affection and be free from the abusive and physically stronger apes pretending to be men.

But I agree with you that in the modern societies like here, where 1 in 4 girls will be sexually violated before reaching 18, living with two nice women who just go to the same bed at night, looks like being in heaven without dying. That versus mama's boyfriend or an uncle from hell. Easy choice.

BTW, in "America", to my complete shock, boys are not much luckier than girls. Their rate of sexual abuse is 1 in 6.



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