German legal discrimination against Polish speakers

Yeah...sure...the EU can't win, can't she?

Brussel is of course guilty of clipping the wings of the british eagle...and when he won WWII again and broke the EU yoke at last and he still can't fly so well as hoped then it will be of course again the fault of the EU....these evil bastards...

And you fell for that tale, Milo? Really?

No.Not when they export more to us then we export to them.
No advantage at all.

These Germans must be an astoundingly nifty people, I would like to meet them one day...

That's not true in the slightest. Who paid for many of the new motorways in Poland? Who put the Baltic countries on the right track? Who was responsible for getting rid of customs checks on the borders? Who introduced a common currency that made a lot of people's lives much easier?

More to the point, if it was so bad, opinion polls wouldn't be consistently around 80% in favour in Poland.

Cooking the books, uncontrolled deficit spending, corruption -- Greece and Italy have only themselves to blame IMO.


You have to remember though what the main reason behind the pro BREXIT vote was: the (supposedly) uncontrolled immigration of non-EU citizens from the Continent. Which was of course propaganda, because the U.K. had never been part of the Schengen Area in the first place and had full control of her borders already. The immigration issue will continue to exist after BREXIT simply because of your Commonwealth citizens.

The fact is that we all know that The UK will be fine after Brexit.....and that's what scares people most....you Germans don't need to worry,your economy is strong....France maybe OK too....but the rest of Europe?

All we know is that the UK will be poorer after Brexit. The only question is how much poorer.

youtube.com/watch?v=OtkP3Hkc1cM

How do you know that?

I don't know about that....and that a majority of Brits now want another referendum shows they aren't so sure either....

@Miloslaw

Because every expert believes this to be the case.

The majority of Brits are actually dead against a second referendum.
You really don't understand the mentality of Brits.
And Tacitus video was yet more anti Brexit propaganda......
Just the speakers voice makes us feel sick......
Wait.....all the leftie Brits will post now..

Na ja...

businessinsider.com/polling-data-hard-brexit-erg-mps-plotting-against-theresa-may-2018-10?IR=T

Barely a plurality of Brits are against it, and definitely not a majority.

Shhh, Miroslaw don't reveal the cornerstone of the EU to a public opinion :-P

The EU, and the eurozone especially, was constructed that suits Germany and their economical needs and allowed them such an expansion in Europe. Eurocurrency benefits Germany and that's the fact.

The EU is also very handy tool of political oppression against its lesser members. Germany, which due to historical issues wants to appear publicly as a friendly and unthreatening nation, can convince less perceptive societies that is not them but the EU that makes key moves in Europe and is behind the unpopular decisions.

Which is why Brexit happened. All facts were called propaganda and ignored.

It's also a fact that many countries were using the DM as a hard currency long before the Euro, in the same way that the USD is used in Belarus/Russia/Ukraine.

The Euro was mostly a French invention. The Germans vehemently opposed the new currency. Google it.


Who forced these "lesser members" to join the EU? They all knew what they signed up for.

They in fact did everything to join, up to falsifying their numbers.

Indeed. The Greeks can hardly complain given that it was their choice to join the Euro in the first place, and that they did everything in their power to do so.

The other thing: I hardly see countries rushing to peg their currency to the złoty or forint. They were all pegging their currencies to the DM and later the Euro, which rather destroys the myth of the Euro being a bad thing.

it's a good thing for manufacturing and banking economies, but without transfers and a common fiscal policy there was no way for it to succeed in southern service economies.

Instead of stability it's dragged those countries into eternal recession (how much growth has Italy had since it joined the Euro?)
A small northern Euro might have worked, but a big tent Euro effectively dooms the south to eternal poverty until there is a common fiscal policy (which would reduce the south to de facto economic colonies of the north to be exploited for cheap labor and cheap vacations and no further economic development)

Not backed by facts at all - both Italy and Spain have had perfectly respectable growth in the last few years.

bbc.com/news/business-43055887

The Eurozone overall has strongish growth in the last few years and is certainly on a far better track than the UK. The countries new to the Euro - Slovenia, Lithuania, Estonia are far outperforming Poland, Czech and Hungary.

It is of course not perfect but a far better bet than the zloty, pound, kuna or any of the national alternatives in Europe at the moment. Which is why in Warsaw if you want to finance something big like a road or an office block or a new factory then all the discussions are in Euro, even with Polish banks.

Data ?

It got me curious when you omitted Latvia in your list and I did some research. And rightfully so since it looks like Latvia may be in trouble as of 2018

reuters.com/article/us-latvia-banking-ecb/latvias-problems-bare-european-central-banks-achilles-heel-idUSKCN1G51ZI


Outperforming in which areas exactly? Would you be more specific?

focus-economics.com/regions/euro-area

This link has results and forecasts for each eurozone country. Also in the the BBC link provided.

Latvian growth was strong in 2017 - 4.5 percent. I left it out because I don't know much about the place, only visited a few times.

In what ways are the Baltic's outperforming the Visegrad countries ? in GDP growth - which was my response to Maf"s argument that only Germany and Holland benefit from the Euro.

Any more for any more ?

I know it does not fit many alt right narratives but the Euro despite its ups and downs is a credible currency, attractive for investors and while subject to political interference it is only to the same extent as the dollar or the pound. Neither it, nor the EU will collapse any time soon and if you are a mid size European nation you should get used to that idea.

Of course if you are a Russian troll then no amount of evidence is sufficient for you. You only have to tick off that you have mentioned some dude is a Native American and you are eligible to use the more expensive coffee machine.

The Eurozone is half baked, true....but it's only a currency, a tool for the economy. It doesn't make or break an economy! You can't blame a currency for a failed state, nor is it the guarantee that an economy will be flourishing.

Countries like Greece had been basket cases before the Euro already.

The birth fault was IMHO that it was used by politicians to further their european project, disregarding hard economocial facts. Economists should have build the Eurozone instead. They let countries in which were just not compatible!

The Eurozone needs reforms, and this time by expert Economists not by politicians...and if that needs a downsizing then that's what it needs.

Polish taxpayers. Go on lie some more about EU giving money to Poland. I'm sorry for jumping a gun here, maybe you are such ignoramus on the issue that you actually believe that propaganda.


That is not true a German manufacture based economy plus all kind of bankers, financial sharks and such benefits great deal. Hence London was against exit.


Dude, stop it. Have you been to Lithuania, the place is almost empty. Most of the population earns they money working aboard. They roads and such is not that great either. Yes, Slovakia as a place where international mafia is laundering dirty money with consecutive governments looking the other way. Hence when this journalist was killed it caused some waves amongst compliant Slovakian populace for the first time since Adam and Eve.

What about that?


ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/en/newsroom/news/2018/09/09-06-2018-road-infrastructure-in-poland-the-eu-invests-eur320-million

...Over €255 million from the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) is invested in the construction of a highway section between the cities of Nowe Marzy, Świecie and Bydgoszcz, in Centre-North Poland, along the S5 expressway.

Further €64.6 million from the Cohesion Fund go to the construction of an expressway section between the Zakręt and Lubelska junctions of the S17 express road from Warsaw to Garwolin....

Or that?


eib.org/en/infocentre/press/releases/all/2009/2009-127-eib-supports-with-eur-1-billion-a2-motorway-construction-in-poland.htm

...The European Investment Bank (EIB) lends EUR 1 billion to finance the extension of a 106 km section of the A2 motorway forming part of the priority Trans-European Transport Network connecting the Polish capital Warsaw with the German Capital Berlin....

Sure and poor naïve Germans and their EU kollegen got duped by devilishly clever and mischievous Geeks, was it? Maybe just maybe your gov looked the other way for reasons of their own and only when the S hit a fan, they play this three wise monkey game.

By the way are you not being racist here Mr Progressive when it suits me?

Yeah, they did...and boy came that back to bite them in the ass.

The Eurozone should never had put in politicians hands who believed Greece NEEDED to be part of it because of their historic importance as "birthplace" of Europe and such.

Economists would never allowed Greece in, they wouldn't had fallen for that book cooking...

The Eurozone still is sick because of that!

what about what? read the links you posted - ec.europa.ec, what do you expect the truth? like soviets would post data how many people they killed and how impoverishing their economic policy make their won people? Really? I excepted more out of you as you remember DDR. Yet, you are OK, so it must be great - right? They bought you with your shoes and helmet.

Don't be sad - most people are like that - easy.


That is actually not true.