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Polish Foreign Ministry 'prepared' for new Wikileaks material


bydgoszczanin - | 14
29 Nov 2010 #31
cablegate.wikileaks

But "currently released so far: 220/251,287..."

Up to now Poland is mentioned twice:
POTUS EUROPEAN-BASED MISSILE
U.S.-RUSSIA JOINT THREAT ASSESSMENT TALKS
A J 4 | 1,081
29 Nov 2010 #32
But "currently released so far: 220/251,287..."

I know, but it sure does contain more details than you can find in the other links which have been posted so far. Of course I've read the ''walk-in'' parts with great interest, just so I know what to expect if I ever wish to migrate. (I suspect it works the same in other countries!) I don't know why such information needs to be secret though. I don't know, it just really doesn't seem shocking or surprising to me? Regardless, this is pretty educational.

:)
OP David_18 66 | 969
29 Nov 2010 #33
Ryabkov Meeting
---------------

SUBJECT: QATAR,S PRIME MINISTER ON IRAN: "THEY LIE TO US;
WE LIE TO THEM."

-- HBJ characterized Qatar,s relationship with Iran as one
in which "they lie to us, and we lie to them."

-- According to HBJ, the GOQ tells Iran that it should
"listen to the West,s proposal or there will be military
action. If not by the U.S., then by the Israelis by the
middle of next year."

Haha made me laugh!
cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09DOHA728.html
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,790
29 Nov 2010 #34
guardian/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis
OP David_18 66 | 969
29 Nov 2010 #35
I wonder how the world will view the U.S after the rest of the 2,750,000 documents gets out.

Maybe the U.S will be the new Russia? Isolated from the rest of the world because of the paranoia they will have against the U.S from now on.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
29 Nov 2010 #36
Ever wonder who is bankrolling hacker Assange and his Wikileaks gang? Or does he piously profess that his only interest is in the public's 'right to know'?
jonni 16 | 2,482
29 Nov 2010 #37
Probably nobody.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
29 Nov 2010 #38
Ever wonder who is bankrolling hacker Assange and his Wikileaks gang? Or does he piously profess that his only interest is in the public's 'right to know'?

Ever wonder why a Pole would support the right of the authorities to keep things secret from the people? Very strange.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544
29 Nov 2010 #39
It's like with a private sex tape, many people are doing it, but once it gets out into the open, shame on you.

Julian Assagne, a man that made a world super power a laughing stock. lol :)
Maybe 12 | 409
29 Nov 2010 #40
This whole wikileaks, U.S leak is a blind. Me thinks they all protest too much.
It will not tell us anything we haven't figured out ourselves, it will however, not tell us anything which will change our attitudes or actions. SHEEP people, we the masses are too be governed by hook or crook. Information, disinformation, too little information, too much information,

INFO overload. The fact we are discussing the leaks, finding out about the leaks, reviewing the leaks, debating the leaks, is all time we are not actually doing anything to counter the status quo. We of the manufactured consent sit here discussing the merits of leaks in a democratic society, whilst not understanding we already live in the Brave New World of 1984, we are already Epsilons, Deltas, Alpha minuses and Betas..... leaks or not we are all impotent...
sascha 1 | 824
29 Nov 2010 #41
Bravo, good observation. ;-)

So, publici leges :-))

democratic society

1984 is not democratic ;-)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,790
30 Nov 2010 #42
Wikileaks cables:

US embassy cables: hanging North Korea out to dry

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/30/us-embassy-cables-north-korea

...Today's revelation from the embassy cables that North Korea had lost its strategic value to China as a buffer state between their forces and US ones, and that Beijing would accept the reunification of the peninsula under Seoul's leadership, should send shivers down the spine of the right person - the ailing dictator Kim Jong-il. Pyongyang could be about to lose its only insurer. Long before last week's lethal shelling of a South Korean island, it is clear from the private views of senior Chinese officials that their strategic asset had turned into a major liability.

China might accept Korea's reunification!!!

guardian/commentisfree/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-north-korea-china-south-reunification
Crow 155 | 9,025
30 Nov 2010 #43
Wikileaks materials may prove to be very interesting regarding tragic death of Polish president Lech Kaczyński

If we exclude option that plane crash was an accident then it is possible that Kaczyński made at least two crucial mistakes that he paid with his life.

1- when Kaczyński offered hand to Russia he deflected from official NATO policy on that country. Let me remind you that NATO sees Russia as enemy and tries to encircle Russia in more then past 20 years.

2- Kaczyński also deflected from official NATO/EU policy on Balkan in the moment when he from pro-Albanian Polish politician turn to be pro-Serbian oriented, patriotic Polish leader who even at the UN in New York dared to criticize NATO/EU/Tusk policy on Balkan. Kaczyński`s support to Serbs on terrain meant that Kaczyński took under his protection Slavic element on Balkan that is in strong retreat due to USA/EU/Islamic league support to Albania (Greater Albania). Eventual creation of Greater Albania would announce end of Slavic South, so `Balkan challenge` was simple to strong for Kaczyński. Possibility that Slavs (more Poland! then Russia, even especially Poland!) lose their primate in that volatile strategic region forced Polish president to tries to side with Serbs.

if Kaczyński was killed, that`s what killed him. i look forward for Wikileaks materials in case with this
Seanus 15 | 19,674
1 Dec 2010 #44
These 'leaks' are controlled snippets and are the figment of the minds of the bored. Isn't it funny how they are squeezing out the leaks. Leaks happen by chance, but here??
convex 20 | 3,930
1 Dec 2010 #45
It's a controlled leak. They're doing it in pieces for maximum impact so that it will stay in the news. A good strategy.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
1 Dec 2010 #46
A money spinner for the newspaper business, that's about it. It's about getting people onboard to a new form of low-key sensationalism. Still, hopefully some meaty morsels will seep through the cracks as some mainstream articles are so repetitive.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
1 Dec 2010 #47
Classified information is part and parcel of secret services as well as diplomacy's information-gathering tasks and that information to be useful has to be truthful and sincere to the core.

Such data and facts help a country shape its foreign-policy priorities and strategy and are not meant fro public consumption. Besides, what good is it to the proverbial Leeds bus driver Munich plumber or Manitoba librarian? They can read the Sun or National Enquirer for their daily dose of titillation, if they can't live without it.

Meant for public consumption (although most of the public regard it as boring) are public statements by diplomats (speeches, declarations, unveilings, ribbon-cuttings, etc,) which are usually honed, chiselled and peppered with high-sounding generalities and well-rounded phraseology. But behind the scenes factuality is what counts. At a dinner party attended by ia your mum-in-law you migth not openly say what you really think of her but, you migth do with a mate over a beer.

I know America-bashing is trendy among the PC creeps, but, c'mon guys, let's not confuse illegitimate dictatorial regimes with America, 'the land of the free, home of the brave and arsenal of democracy' which defends human freedom world-wide. Sure the PRL and USSR also kept things from their people, but exposing those secrets was something noble, virtuous and brave, because it amoutned to counteracting evil. Undermining the inner security workings of the world's leading democracy is ignominious, mean-spirited and cowardly.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
1 Dec 2010 #48
Sure the PRL and USSR also kept things from their people, but exposing those secrets was something noble, virtuous and brave, because it amoutned to counteracting evil.

Evil is subjective.

I'll say it again - it is remarkably hilarious to watch a Pole defend the right of a government to keep information from the masses.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
1 Dec 2010 #49
blogs.wsj.com/new-europe/2010/12/01/wikileaks-helps-poland-get-cl arity-on-us-relations/

The U.S. State Department documents published by WikiLeaks that relate to Poland don't contain much that wasn't previously known or hunched. But certainty always beats informed guesses. Now we know, as opposed to just suspecting, that the U.S. is ready to make concessions to Russia. In this context Poland is a chip in a game.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
1 Dec 2010 #50
A democratic government may have to keep infomation classified precisely to protect the masses. Should anti-terrorist , anti-underworld and anti-druglord activities be planned car in public so the wrongdoers cannot get caught? Oh, sorry, wrongdoer is subjective. It's all relative, innit? Hitler was a good guy because he loved dogs and children, but Churchill was evil because he absued alcohol and smoked those foul-smelling cigars!? The logic of those relativist PC creeps is really hilarious!!!
jonni 16 | 2,482
1 Dec 2010 #51
Are you mad? Or just bitter about life?
Seanus 15 | 19,674
1 Dec 2010 #52
Oh, I think more than a bit of both in his case. Wikileaks, LOL. Nobody has sued for negligence, incompetence or libel to my knowledge.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
1 Dec 2010 #53
The bototm line is that the hunt is now on for fugitive hacker Solange or whatever name he goes by at present. He has been branded an international criminal whose irresponsible activity is putting untold human lives in jeopardy and should soon be neutrralised. Unless his pursuers are as incompetent as those trying to track down that bin Laden character.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
1 Dec 2010 #54
A democratic government may have to keep infomation classified precisely to protect the masses.

That sounds exactly like a line from the Revolutionary's Guide to Communism.

I cannot see any reason for any of the material released so far to be kept from the public. It's embarrassing, but none of it is particularly interesting. How much have you actually read? My suspicion is nothing.

The bototm line is that the hunt is now on for fugitive hacker Solange or whatever name he goes by at present. He has been branded an international criminal whose irresponsible activity is putting untold human lives in jeopardy and should soon be neutrralised.

Incidentally, if you knew anything - you'd know that he is a journalist, not a hacker.

Still, I find it hilarious that a Pole is supporting the suppression of information by the Government. Then again, what can be expected from someone who ran away from Poland?
Maybe 12 | 409
1 Dec 2010 #55
Any one ever heard of an 'agent provocateur'.
peterweg 37 | 2,311
2 Dec 2010 #56
I know America-bashing is trendy among the PC creeps, but, c'mon guys, let's not confuse illegitimate dictatorial regimes with America, 'the land of the free, home of the brave and arsenal of democracy' which defends human freedom world-wide.

If America is simply a democracy, why does it have military bases in three quarters of the worlds countries? geekpolitics.com/what-do-azerbaijan-djibouti-and-suriname-have-in -common/ for a list of countries.

Thats is an Empire, 'democratic' or not and the diplomatic cable are its inner workings. What they show is how badly run and impotent the Empire has become, precisely the opposite of what the Project for a New American Centuary had planned.

The neocons screwed the US Empire.

Meanwhile the brainwashed drones parrot the party line. As the man said, you would be just as happy under the communists as the 'worlds leading democracy' (lol).

Accurate summary of the status ..

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-embassy-cables-us-global-power
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
2 Dec 2010 #57
The US military bases are there precisely to defend human freedom and democracy world-wide. No-one is saying it it perfect and that mistakes are never committed. To err is human. But only those who do nothing never make mistakes. On balance, everything considered, there has never been so benevolent an 'empire' (if you insist on calling it that) as the good ol' USA. Wait till China takes over (and that may be sooner than you think), and then you'll be dreaming of a rerun of 'pax americana'.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
2 Dec 2010 #58
The US military bases are there precisely to defend human freedom and democracy world-wide.

How do you explain the fact that there were/are illegal cluster bombs on an US Air base then?

How do you explain some of the disclosures by Wikileaks into just what the US Military has been doing in regards to the killing of civilians?

But only those who do nothing never make mistakes.

I don't call the possession of illegal weapons and the murdering of civilians "mistakes".
Maybe 12 | 409
2 Dec 2010 #59
let's not confuse illegitimate dictatorial regimes with America, 'the land of the free

Clearly you have never read any Chomsky.

The US military bases are there precisely to defend human freedom and democracy world-wide

@Polonius3, I have been reading your posts and you live in cloud cuckooland, absolutely and utterly brainwashed.

there has never been so benevolent an 'empire' (if you insist on calling it that) as the good ol' USA.

??????????????????? ARE YOU TRIPPING??????????????????
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
2 Dec 2010 #60
War is evil because it not only kills and maims but also depraves the human conscience and desentisises people's sense of humanity. So it's obvous therre have been abuses even in America's most idealistic and well-meaning freedom operations world-wide. Humans are just a bunch of really mucked-up creatures and war makes them even worse. But let's not compare America to Martians or something else that doesn't exist. Let's comapre them to Germany, Russia and yes! -- Britain and France in the colonial era. The US has had the power to colonise for the longest time but has never really made use of it. The Virgin Islands and a few minor Pacific possessions are a drop in the ocean compared to the expanses the colonial powers claimed and the cruelty, violence and rapacious exploitation they visited on inidgenous peoples.


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