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Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools


cheehaw 2 | 263
25 Nov 2009 #151
Perhaps you could work on a less religious and more rational worldview? You try atheism for a while, and I'll maybe have a look at Christianity.

Sorry, I can't, He has already revealed Himself to me.. many times.

Once you know the truth there isn't any turning back.

Millions have seen aliens have they? Maybe a few thousand make that claim, but millions? I'd like to see you prove that. Kim Jong.. is the result of people who deny God and worship men in his stead, exactly the same path you are on.... And what issue do you have with muslims who revere Mohammad as their prophet? He is their prophet, there is no doubt about it. You know muslims.. deserve some respect.. they are often a truly, sincerely, deeply faithful people. Funny thing is.. when they meet God finally.. (since so many of them do actually search).. they start preaching Jesus.
jonni 16 | 2,485
25 Nov 2009 #152
Millions have seen aliens have they?

Not in my opinion, but millions believe they have.

Maybe a few thousand make that claim, but millions? I'd like to see you prove that.

Dr Susan Blackmore
Abduction by Aliens or Sleep Paralysis?
Skeptical Inquirer Volume 22.3, May / June 1998


And what issue do you have with muslims who revere Mohammad as their prophet? He is their prophet,

Absolutely none. And no issue either with Buddhists, or for that matter with Hindus who often believe in many gods.

Do you?
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
25 Nov 2009 #153
It would evidently be much safer for childrens' rectal wellbeing if we banned from schools, the ministers of J. Christ, and brought in the ministers of A. Crowley.

Jonni, while the Catholic Church certainly has problems, witnessed by many cases of real and alleged abuses by priests (and I confess I have experienced something of this as a child in the Catholic Church), and these cases have made a good buck for the lawyers involved, your beloved Judaism aka 'The Teachings of the Elders' is also rife with these abuses, only they don't get the same publicity, because it would be 'anti-semitism'...Now, we know he Orthodox jew views the 'gentile' as an animal, but what is not realized by many in the 'goy' community is that, according to 'halaka', a woman or a child is also viewed as an object to be used for the purposes of 'satisfying the elder'...Let us look:

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The 'reb' on right

theawarenesscenter.org/clergyabuse.html

You can report pedophile rabbis at the above site

israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/124822

gothamist.com/2009/03/04/rabbi_accused_of_molestation_cross-.php

ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3667308,00.html

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BrutalButcher - | 391
25 Nov 2009 #154
You know muslims.. deserve some respect.. they are often a truly, sincerely, deeply faithful people. Funny thing is.. when they meet God finally.. (since so many of them do actually search).. they start preaching Jesus.

They should respect other religions too and stop trying to turn each land they are in into a muslim place.
cheehaw 2 | 263
25 Nov 2009 #155
Dr Susan Blackmore
Abduction by Aliens or Sleep Paralysis?
Skeptical Inquirer Volume 22.3, May / June 1998

oh please. do some research on things of a spiritual nature. Oh I forgot, you don't believe in those things.

sleep paralysis

Sleep paralysis is a condition that occurs in the state just before"The Nightmare" by Johann Heinrich Fussli, 1781 dropping off to sleep (the hypnagogic state) or just before fully awakening from sleep (the hypnopompic state). The condition is characterized by being unable to move or speak. It is often associated with a feeling that there is some sort of presence, a feeling which often arouses fear..


gotcha a demon do ya?

Jesus can cure that too.

Most people are quite fearful of facing what is inside them.. the demons.. the monsters.. you should give it a try though.

I haven't any issues with people of any religion. Religion, per se, can be a issue. However, when people seek God, sincerely in truth, that is a different matter altogether. Learn to differentiate between the cradle follower of religion and the sincere seeker of God. Big difference. You'll find seekers of God in any religion.. even satanists, wiccans, new agers.. often just end up there for a short while because they are lost and seeking, albeit in all the wrong places. you can find plenty of testimonies on the web, at youtube, wherever. Funny thing is.. those sincere seekers of God.. they all end up preaching Jesus.

They should respect other religions too and stop trying to turn each land they are in into a muslim place.

and the jews too. shall we discuss mormons? humanists?

but that's religion for you. Islam seems to going through a phase quite similar to what the Catholic church went through in the middle ages. It is 500-600 years younger than christianity so that's still right on time historically. I hope they have their reformation soon.

I heard a show put out out by al jazeera radio, I think it was at youtube.. I may have a link I could look around.. but some Imam was complaining that 6 million or so muslims convert to christianity each year. give it some time, God is working on this. The muslims, the jews, they can write all the laws against christian proselytizing they want.. it will not stop God from his work.

I do respect the muslims for taking certain strong stands here and there against humanist atheistic movements especially, as poorly educated as some muslims are, simply due to poverty.. you know they have a lot of problems some of these are the poorest of the poor.. but on the other hand some of them are very well educated and they hold their ground on a lot of issues christians cave into. Yeah, i do respect them for that, absolutely.
grethomory 1 | 154
25 Nov 2009 #157
I support a SECULAR academic environment ... A SECULAR STATE.

I agree as well.
cheehaw 2 | 263
25 Nov 2009 #158
Now, we know he Orthodox jew views the 'gentile' as an animal, but what is not realized by many in the 'goy' community is that, according to 'halaka', a woman or a child is also viewed as an object to be used for the purposes of 'satisfying the elder'...Let us look:

This is a really big problem.. truthfully.. Look at Islam, I cannot honestly say there is anything within it that compares to some of the grosser teachings of kabbalistic/talmudic Judaism.

Kabbalistic/talmudic Judaism is actually the thing that Jesus preached against.

If Islam, as an institutionalized religion, protects the neighbors of the jews from the deceptive practices of judaism, who am I to say they should halt doing exactly what they are doing? They know more about these things than christians do, they have dealt one on one with these issues for a few millenia.. and if you need an education in it, the teachings of muslims who fight against kabbalistic/talmudic Judaism are actually one of the best places to start.

You can call those teachings anti-semetic if you like,, but bear in mind, a large majority of muslims are semites so that opinion is.. useless, and even extremely racist. A jew is not a semite to the exclusion of his non-jewish semite neighbors. That idea only works in the mind of a jew.
BrutalButcher - | 391
25 Nov 2009 #159
Steveramsfan

Yeah, that's why Allah ,through Gabriel, told Mohammed that JEsus wasn't his son.

That's the same god that in the new testament told Mary, through Gabriel ,that Jesus was his "son"

Are you American? Do tell me you are, so I can laugh at my attempts to enlighten some retarded liberal moron.

You can call those teachings anti-semetic if you like,, but bear in mind, a large majority of muslims are semites so that opinion is.. useless, and even extremely racist. A jew is not a semite to the exclusion of his non-jewish semite neighbors. That idea only works in the mind of a jew.

Ok, so the Algerian Arab who painted a nazi cross next to the Magen David in Dresden is not an anti-semite who hates Jews and compares them to nazis, but a confused semite.
Steveramsfan 2 | 306
25 Nov 2009 #160
Are you American? Do tell me you are, so I can laugh at my attempts to enlighten some retarded liberal moron.

1. Im no Liberal.

2. There is no way im an American.

3. Im not retarded and you have not enlightened me.

Allah talked to Gabriel. God talked to Gabriel. There is only 1 Gabriel.

Maybe Allah and God are the same and Mohammed or Mary lied?

No!! That did not happen because you said so.
jonni 16 | 2,485
25 Nov 2009 #161
gotcha a demon do ya?

No. Read the post carefully before jerking your knee.

I said some people believe in aliens, just as you believe in an invisible deity.

Funny thing is.. those sincere seekers of God.. they all end up preaching Jesus.

All? Where d'ya get that from then?

Lodz_The_Boat:
I support a SECULAR academic environment ... A SECULAR STATE.

I agree as well.

Quite. Faith (or lack thereof) is a personal thing. Not for state offices, celebrations, schools, etc.
Ogien 6 | 245
25 Nov 2009 #162
jonni

Jonni, what you fail to understand is that Muslims do not adhere to assimilation. The fact remains that Catholicism is one of the foundations of Polish culture. If we have Muslims immigrating into Poland and bringing their culture into the country then I guarantee you that Poland will be like Saudi Arabia in the next 100 years. Don't blame me for wanting to preserve our heritage. Poland is not like other Europeans countries which conquered other lands and enslaved the people. We have remained a country that just wants to be left alone.

Poland and Germany together have already saved Europe once from an Islamic invasion. People should be thankful for that.

The liberal mind scares me sometimes...
Steveramsfan 2 | 306
25 Nov 2009 #163
The liberal mind scares me sometimes...

Me too, they need to stop worrying about being called Racist and stop letting Islam take over every country in the world.

We must stick to their values and customs in Saudi Arabia so Muslims should stick to our European values and customs when Muslims live in Europe.

Note!! That is not a racist comment!!
jonni 16 | 2,485
25 Nov 2009 #164
fail to understand is that Muslims

I didn't mention muslims. The thread is about whether schools should be secular or diosplay symbols of a specific religion.

Remember there have been Polish muslims for hundreds of years, there are mosques in GdaƄsk, Warsaw and Krakow, not to mention the historic mosques in Podlasie. They haven't turned Poland into a second Saudi (or even a second Turkey) yet and don't seem about to.

Not that the rest of the world is Islamicising either.

Catholicism is one of the foundations of Polish culture

Another is a long secular tradition.
cheehaw 2 | 263
25 Nov 2009 #165
Ok, so the Algerian Arab who painted a nazi cross next to the Magen David in Dresden is not an anti-semite who hates Jews and compares them to nazis, but a confused semite.

Pretty much yeah. A hateful semite just like other hateful semites.

Hate seems to be a long standing tradition among semites, on both ends of the spectrum. Which is why saying one group is better than the other is pure nonsense. Jewish supremacists, muslim supremacists, not much difference between them really. Both groups have been working to destroy Christian values and culture for quite some time.

No. Read the post carefully before jerking your knee.

I said some people believe in aliens, just as you believe in an invisible deity.

I did read the post.. I was jerking your demon infested knee.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
25 Nov 2009 #166
Both groups have been working to destroy Christian values and culture for quite some time.

Jews have been doing no such thing, they do not try to convert Christians, nor have they in their very very long history (longer than Christianity I may add).

Christian values and culture for quite some time.

Are becoming a thing of the past, althought if you think those bible bashing nutters in America or for that matter Africa are Christian, then you are as mad as a mullah!, where as Jewish values are as strong as they ever were and are as consistent, i.e., they're not turning in to extemists.

By the way cheehaw, Im Roman Catholic before you start calling me a Jew (well maybe a little bit of Jew in there :D )
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Nov 2009 #167
A thing of the past? What garbage!! Just because the RCC is dwindling, don't turn that on other religious denominations. The Orthodox followers in Serbia and Russia are going very strong. Protestantism still gets a very solid following.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
26 Nov 2009 #168
Both groups have been working to destroy Christian values and culture for quite some time.

Please stop talking such nonsense. Christian values, Jewish values, Muslim values. The Christians have tried to do such a thing to the other religions just as much as any other religion has done. With the difference indeed that the Judaic religion has never tried to convert Christians and Muslims to Judaism the way Christianity and Islam has tried to convert ppl of other religions to Christianity. The Christening of Europe is a splendid example of this pushy attitude of Christians.

"us" and "them".

Seanus

Only in certain areas, Seanus. It's a trend that in more well faring countries religion gets less and less followers. With all due respect, religion tends to flourish in lesser developed areas.

before you start calling me a Jew

She calls everybody a Jew who doesn't agree with her :)

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
cheehaw 2 | 263
26 Nov 2009 #169
Jews have been doing no such thing, they do not try to convert Christians, nor have they in their very very long history (longer than Christianity I may add).

The JDL and other Jewish organizations in the USA are some of the most outspoken concerning removing religion from schools, not allowing kids to pray at school, have bible studies etc. They have been working extremely hard to define 'hate laws' for any speech that criticizes Israel. Yet they are not shy about criticizing other religions, Islam especially.

I think if you investigate you'll also find they are very much behind removing most of the other religious symbols that have been around in the USA for hundreds of years.

Quite a few congressmen do speak out against this, and they often mention the jewish organizations and lobbies as being behind it.

I was raised catholic too.. all pollacks are catholic aren't they?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Nov 2009 #170
Religion flourishes in countries like Nigeria, true enough. However, I think you'll find that the Orthodox faith remains strong in those countries which follow it. I really don't think you can say religion is dwindling as the stats are often misleading on that one.

As for the thread, I don't see a problem. Asides from the funny Bill Hicks joke about Jesus returning to see all the crosses and having a hissyfit, they have pride of place here. It may actually encourage people to think about it, rather than just slap on those labels.

No, 95% are Catholic. My wife is one of those 5% that isn't. Besides, as few as 60% practise.
cheehaw 2 | 263
26 Nov 2009 #171
Check out this guy and what he has to say, he has quite a history on these matters.
osiol 55 | 3,922
26 Nov 2009 #172
Where do you get that from then? Did the founder of your religion try to impose it?

Sarcasm was founded by the Great One many millennia ago. It is the only true faith.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Nov 2009 #173
America took their side a long time ago so they have to live with that. You don't see Britain giving Israel huge sums of aid. I think it was the 1973 war that the Israelis had as good as lost but they won it through using American money.

Anyway, this is about crucifixes in Polish schools. I don't see many with much knowledge of theology here and that's disappointing. I wonder if people here know why they are Catholic and not a Protestant Christian.
cheehaw 2 | 263
26 Nov 2009 #174
America took their side a long time ago so they have to live with that.

American support has been gained through a lot of fraud and deceit.

They don't have to live with that.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Nov 2009 #175
They don't have to live with that? Some do!

Are you still a Catholic, cheehaw?
cheehaw 2 | 263
26 Nov 2009 #176
They don't have to live with that? Some do!

no not really, it's the old guard enabled that, had they known they surely would not have allowed it. a new generation is taking over in congress etc.. more informed.

Are you still a Catholic, cheehaw?

no uh uh.

non-denominational.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Nov 2009 #177
Cheehaw, fraud and deceit are rife and probably always will be. You are not naive so I am surprised you said that. Like false hope, a false dawn!

You were raised as a Catholic so what put you off?
cheehaw 2 | 263
26 Nov 2009 #178
fraud and deceit flourish when opportunity exists Seanus, you are not so naive to not realize that.. most of the horrors in the world.. history.. are crimes of opportunity. Today.. the past 10-15 years really only.. we have digital media that has really opened the floodgates of information.. instant video.. this is a historical thing really. It is no longer possible for deceit to be as rampant.. people everywhere have cameras.. cellphones..

catholic.. well nothing put me off really.. I got saved after not going to church for 15 years, just looking for God, you know.

I couldn't return to the catholic church because they teach that other churches (baptist, whatever) are cults and by then I had so many friends in other churches.. what was the use of buying into that idea. I did try though.. but left after being told that again.. that baptist and other churches are cults. eh. I am not into we are the first and only church thing.

I respect the catholic church. But like any large organization it allows.. for opportunities of corruption.. that smaller churches don't have to deal with as much, that's all. The catholic church has it's pros and cons. Keep in mind it was established a very long time ago, it fulfilled a purpose back then... organized armies, fought the muslims.. etc.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Nov 2009 #179
Deceit was rampant before 9/11 and all it needs is the manipulators to sweep it under the carpet. It's all in the interpretation of what info/intel you think you have. With technology comes doctoring/butchering and selective application.

What, for you, is the critical/defining difference between a Catholic and a Protestant?
cheehaw 2 | 263
26 Nov 2009 #180
Deceit was rampant before 9/11 and all it needs is the manipulators to sweep it under the carpet. It's all in the interpretation of what info/intel you think you have. With technology comes doctoring/butchering and selective application.

Which is exactly why people like the JDL are working so hard to define hate laws. there is too much information for them to sweep away anymore so they have to try to legislate it.

but they won't succeed. people talk you know. they always will.

What, for you, is the critical/defining difference between a Catholic and a Protestant?

There is no critical difference Seanus. I have met many many very faithful in every church I have ever visited (at least 10-12 different denominations over the years).. and their faith is quite real everywhere... with the exception of 'modern' churches that are today allowing things like homosexuality and other things to creep in. Those can be very cold churches, you feel it just sitting there. rather odd. empty. simply cold.

Everyone is in a different place in their walk Seanus, but the goal, for the individual, setting politics of church heirarchy aside, is the same.


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