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The cross in Polish parliament - Does it bother you?


gumishu 11 | 5,761
27 Oct 2011 #91
Olaf:
and dividing people.

Yeah, sure, as if people would have been united otherwise.....

yeah - the same rhetorics PO uses - and at the same time they give rise to division and hate themselves (see their last election campaign's spot)
pawian 179 | 16,285
27 Oct 2011 #92
That's what I mean! Removing other symbols but leaving ours! How ignorant and selfish one has to be to do that?

Yes, it was selfish.

I want to keep the cross but not at the cost of other beliefs. Let`s retrieve the famous Polish religious tolerance!
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
30 Oct 2011 #93
You can be religiously tolerant but still have the cross in parliament. Poland is not Britain, it is not secular. Poland is in the majority a Catholic country and most certainly in majority Christian, so there is no problem is showing that, whole allowing others to practise their own religions too. This is something many Islamic countries do not allow.
pawian 179 | 16,285
30 Oct 2011 #94
Poland is in the majority a Catholic country and most certainly in majority Christian, so there is no problem is showing that,

Still, let me repeat, majority doesn`t make 100%.

Fierce, fanatical defence of the cross today will only result in fiercer, more fanatical attacks on it in the future.
Do we fekking need it?

Do you really see something wrong in the cross being accompanied by other symbols?

Let`s do it today till it isn`t too late.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
31 Oct 2011 #95
What part of 'Poland is a Catholic country' do you not understand? British parliament even has to say a prayer as far as I know and that is possibly one of the most secular countries in the world, but it is tradition there. Christianity is in Poland's tradition. Why alter it? Why not just leave it alone. I do not remember it bothering anyone before. Those who want to take the cross off are not arguing for having other symbols, they just do not want it there because somehow it offends their feelings. If you have other symbols up they are probably going to have a problem with that too, because it infringes on their right not to believe in anything. How about leave it as it is? It did not bother people over the past, almost 15 years now. There were no debates in parliament about it before, why is it such a big problem now? I do not remember hearing Jews or Muslims being offended by it and seeing manifestations in the streets. If you want to talk about other alterations, such as possibly stopping a taxation that goes to the Church, that is a different story. The cross however, should stay. More people want it to stay than go, so democracy wins, right? PO also have a majority, only 40%, less than half of Poland, but still a majority, so they are now in charge. Right? Democracy.
PWEI 3 | 612
31 Oct 2011 #96
What part of 'Poland is a Catholic country' do you not understand?

The bit about where it says that Poland is like that and on whose authority.

BTW: if Poland is a Catholic country, why is divorce and remarriage legal in Poland? You do know that it is legal in Poland, don't you?
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
31 Oct 2011 #97
Because Poland is not run by the Vatican state, but by polititions. It is still in the great majority, Catholic.
pawian 179 | 16,285
31 Oct 2011 #98
It did not bother people over the past, almost 15 years now. There were no debates in parliament about it before, why is it such a big problem now?

Unfortunately, it did and there were.

The cross however, should stay.

Yes. I don`t have a problem with that.

I am only predicting what will happen in Poland in 20 years` time.

More people want it to stay than go, so democracy wins, right?

Exactly. :):):)

How long will Catholic democracy endure? As I said, 20 years. :(:(:(:(:(
PWEI 3 | 612
31 Oct 2011 #99
It is still in the great majority, Catholic.

Having the majority of citizens as Catholic is not the same as being a Catholic country. If Poland were a Catholic country, contraception would be illegal. You seen any shortage of condoms in Poland?
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
31 Oct 2011 #100
You can talk to the government about that one.


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